CLUE ANALYSIS

by suzzie Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:24 am

I hope this is not posted yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q2yIV-LaPI

by Rach Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:41 am

I hadn't saeen that before Suzzie so thanks for posting Smile

Question: Randy Phillips said "I was at the hospital when he arrived". Does anyone have any clue as to what this means? Is it referring to when Michael arrived at the hospital or when he made an appearance at the Staples Centre? We know Michael never made it to rehearsals that day so I wonder what he meant?

by Grace Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:14 am

I cannot see the vid - what is it about? Which is the title? Txs.

by iMISSYOUMJ Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:43 am

Grace wrote:I cannot see the vid - what is it about? Which is the title? Txs.

Are you form Germany? This user said that this video is not available to view in Germany. CLUE ANALYSIS Icon_smile

by Eva R Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:02 am

good video!!

by iMISSYOUMJ Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:17 am

Just finish watching this video! It's a very great video! CLUE ANALYSIS Icon_wink

As for the speech of Jermaine I found it funny though. He seems like don't what to say "This is it but this is really not it but this is definitely it, but it's not the final curtain call no." what was he trying to say. CLUE ANALYSIS Lol

Can anyone explain to me what is the meaning of "Final Curtain Call"? Thankyou.

by suzzie Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:22 am

Final Curtain call means last performance or last bow.

by iMISSYOUMJ Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:27 am

suzzie wrote:Final Curtain call means last performance or last bow.

Ok I get it now thankyou. This all make more sense to me right now. CLUE ANALYSIS Lol

by lyl Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:16 am

Rach wrote:I hadn't saeen that before Suzzie so thanks for posting

Question: Randy Phillips said "I was at the hospital when he arrived". Does anyone have any clue as to what this means? Is it referring to when Michael arrived at the hospital or when he made an appearance at the Staples Centre? We know Michael never made it to rehearsals that day so I wonder what he meant?

I had the same question way back I watched.

by city.gal1 Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:23 am

Rach wrote:I hadn't saeen that before Suzzie so thanks for posting

Question: Randy Phillips said "I was at the hospital when he arrived". Does anyone have any clue as to what this means? Is it referring to when Michael arrived at the hospital or when he made an appearance at the Staples Centre? We know Michael never made it to rehearsals that day so I wonder what he meant?

I've seen him say this before about "I was at the hospital when he arrived"....he got a phone call saying that MJ was being taken to the hospital and he made it to the hospital before the ambulance brought MJ there.

by WanaBstartnSthn Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:28 am

lyl wrote:
Rach wrote:I hadn't saeen that before Suzzie so thanks for posting

Question: Randy Phillips said "I was at the hospital when he arrived". Does anyone have any clue as to what this means? Is it referring to when Michael arrived at the hospital or when he made an appearance at the Staples Centre? We know Michael never made it to rehearsals that day so I wonder what he meant?

I had the same question way back I watched.

Well, he had to have meant when he arrived at the hospital but I didn't hear anything about Randy being @ the hospital before Michael got there....sounds like some more bs to me!

by dancer1792 Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:31 am

Great video! It really gets you thinking.

by Rach Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:33 am

city.gal1 wrote:I've seen him say this before about "I was at the hospital when he arrived"....he got a phone call saying that MJ was being taken to the hospital and he made it to the hospital before the ambulance brought MJ there.

Thanks Chick Smile

Something doesn't quite fit right with that statement though. I will need to put my thinking cap on and see what I can dig up!

by city.gal1 Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:37 am

Rach wrote:
city.gal1 wrote:I've seen him say this before about "I was at the hospital when he arrived"....he got a phone call saying that MJ was being taken to the hospital and he made it to the hospital before the ambulance brought MJ there.

Thanks Chick

Something doesn't quite fit right with that statement though. I will need to put my thinking cap on and see what I can dig up!

You might have to go through some of RP's previous interviews. I know that he said in interviews that I've seen that he got a phone call when everything was happening at the house. I suppose the implication is that he was told that Mj was being taken to UCLA and he was going to meet everyone there. Remember that DiLeo was also at the hospital becuse he too got a phone call.

by Rach Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:47 am

Ok from what I can recall that's Randy Philips, Frank Dileo, Thome Thome, Jerkmaine and his wife, Katherine and her personal assistant, Dr Murray, La Toya and maybe the children who were all at the hospital?!

by WanaBstartnSthn Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:55 am

You know, it's also funny that Kenny says he spoke with Murray that day considering the fact that supposedly the LAPD checked all Murray's phone records from that day, says he called his lawyer, Alvarez the bodyguard to come upstairs (We heard conflicting stories about this too) and yet nothing about KO's name being on that list of people Murray spoke to. Hmm…

by city.gal1 Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:59 am

Rach wrote:Ok from what I can recall that's Randy Philips, Frank Dileo, Thome Thome, Jerkmaine and his wife, Katherine and her personal assistant, Dr Murray, La Toya and maybe the children who were all at the hospital?!

Yes, but the children and Dr. Murray came in with the ambulance and MJ's security team. Katherine showed up later. Remember DiLeo is the one that told the children that MJ was dead after the nurse told him.

by Rach Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:04 pm

city.gal1 wrote:Yes, but the children and Dr. Murray came in with the ambulance and MJ's security team. Katherine showed up later. Remember DiLeo is the one that told the children that MJ was dead after the nurse told him.

I am sure I read somewhere that the children came in with Katherine? I hope I did and I'm not just losing my mind CLUE ANALYSIS Icon_rolleyes

Ok so Katherine came in later, as did La Toya. Why would Frank Dileo tell the children that their Father was dead? I mean wouldn't that be a job for the family instead of Michael's ex manager?!

by Makea Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:04 pm

iMISSYOUMJ wrote:
Grace wrote:I cannot see the vid - what is it about? Which is the title? Txs.

Are you form Germany? This user said that this video is not available to view in Germany.

Ya, Germany. And what is so funny that we cant watch this video? scratch

by city.gal1 Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:11 pm

Rach wrote:
city.gal1 wrote:Yes, but the children and Dr. Murray came in with the ambulance and MJ's security team. Katherine showed up later. Remember DiLeo is the one that told the children that MJ was dead after the nurse told him.

I am sure I read somewhere that the children came in with Katherine? I hope I did and I'm not just losing my mind

Ok so Katherine came in later, as did La Toya. Why would Frank Dileo tell the children that their Father was dead? I mean wouldn't that be a job for the family instead of Michael's ex manager?!

I remember hearing/seeing on TV that the kids were in the car with security and that they were following the ambulance to the hospital. I never understood why FD would tell the kids, especially because we were also told that "they" were keeping Mj alive until his mother got to the hospital. But I do know that I saw several interviews where DL says that he told kids after the nurse told him. Now remember a nurse is not supposed to give that information only a doctor. In additon, FD is not family and that sort of info is supposed to only be given to family members.

Look, we know that nothing really adds up no matter how one looks at the information! BTW, FD was his manager again. MJ rehired him just a few weeks before his "death". I never understood why he (supposedly) took it upon humself to tell the kids.

by mjssoulmate Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:15 pm

Rach wrote:I hadn't saeen that before Suzzie so thanks for posting

Question: Randy Phillips said "I was at the hospital when he arrived". Does anyone have any clue as to what this means? Is it referring to when Michael arrived at the hospital or when he made an appearance at the Staples Centre? We know Michael never made it to rehearsals that day so I wonder what he meant?

He is refering to being at the hospital when Michael arrived. He said in earlier interview that he was called by Frank Deleo, who asked Randy to go to the house, because he was closer. Randy said that just as he was driving up, the ambulance was rushing off with the two black SUVs behind. He then made a U-turn and followed them to the hospital.

by Rach Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:18 pm

@ City.gal1

I know nothing adds up and I agree with you. I'm just trying to get things straight in my head so I can see where all of the inconsistencies lie and perhaps come up with another theory or two Smile

@ mjssoulsmate

Thanks for explaning that to me.

by ishealive Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:29 pm

Rach wrote:Ok from what I can recall that's Randy Philips, Frank Dileo, Thome Thome, Jerkmaine and his wife, Katherine and her personal assistant, Dr Murray, La Toya and maybe the children who were all at the hospital?!

Yep, and they all told the children first!!!!

by city.gal1 Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:31 pm

Rach wrote:@ City.gal1

I know nothing adds up and I agree with you. I'm just trying to get things straight in my head so I can see where all of the inconsistencies lie and perhaps come up with another theory or two

I know what you mean!!! CLUE ANALYSIS Icon_biggrin

by icy55 Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:32 pm

ishealive wrote:
Rach wrote:Ok from what I can recall that's Randy Philips, Frank Dileo, Thome Thome, Jerkmaine and his wife, Katherine and her personal assistant, Dr Murray, La Toya and maybe the children who were all at the hospital?!

Yep, and they all told the children first!!!!

hahaha! wait, maybe they told the children as a group? hahaha! i dont know, it doesnt make any sense! Michael is alive! But is it possible that when just a trauma hits them, they may forget certain details, and thus the inconsistencies? I think it's possible

by ishealive Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:36 pm

icy55 wrote:
ishealive wrote:
Rach wrote:Ok from what I can recall that's Randy Philips, Frank Dileo, Thome Thome, Jerkmaine and his wife, Katherine and her personal assistant, Dr Murray, La Toya and maybe the children who were all at the hospital?!

Yep, and they all told the children first!!!!

hahaha! wait, maybe they told the children as a group? hahaha! i dont know, it doesnt make any sense! Michael is alive! But is it possible that when just a trauma hits them, they may forget certain details, and thus the inconsistencies? I think it's possible

Not on such a large scale imo.
I know you could forget little things but these people (the Jackson's) are family and they have different stories - is there no communication between them! I just think there's too many contradictions.

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