The Real "This Is It"

Thought you might be interested:
http://www.mjackson.fr/index.php?s=cdd67bcb6be2e0047870f5f58f99d679&showtopic=17541&pid=418192&st=0&#e

That's very interesting!

Since the movie a always though mj and ortega wernt that good friends i mean if ortega said something the only way mj reacted was sarcastic and not interested in what he had to say IMO

I'm glad that some insider wrote about things that I and others saw and believed about TII.
I still love the documentary and it really is a great and unique accomplishment, it made me love Michael more than ever before and to research things about his life which I wouldn't dreamed of normally be doing.

-Michael, and this is shown in the movie, did not want to wear the ear monitors. As this person told me, "look at any footage from Michael in concerts in the past, and you will never find him wearing ear monitors, he did not like them, did not need them." According to him, Ortega got upset at one time at Michael, and in front of everyone told him "you have to undrstand that here you do not have an option, you have to wear them, this is going to be a closed arena, not an open stadium, and the sound is different." He said his tone was very nasty and everyone was shocked, especially since Michael looked very upset, but mostly hurt, by it.

While watching TII, it was quite clear that MJ was having trouble hearing while wearing the ear monitors. I wonder why MJ was being required to wear them now. He performed in closed venues in the past without them. Can someone address what is so vastly different about O2.

GirlSaturday wrote:-Michael, and this is shown in the movie, did not want to wear the ear monitors. As this person told me, "look at any footage from Michael in concerts in the past, and you will never find him wearing ear monitors, he did not like them, did not need them." According to him, Ortega got upset at one time at Michael, and in front of everyone told him "you have to undrstand that here you do not have an option, you have to wear them, this is going to be a closed arena, not an open stadium, and the sound is different." He said his tone was very nasty and everyone was shocked, especially since Michael looked very upset, but mostly hurt, by it.

While watching TII, it was quite clear that MJ was having trouble hearing while wearing the ear monitors. I wonder why MJ was being required to wear them now. He performed in closed venues in the past without them. Can someone address what is so vastly different about O2.

Acoustics are different...sounds bouncing off everything can make a HUGE difference in the way an artist hears the music, his voice...etc.

They where NOT in the O2 Arena and acoustics would have been there as well totally different than in the Staples Centre where the incident came up.
By no means was this the first time in 45 years of Michael's career he was singing in close venues. Michael knew his job better than any Kenny on this world.

Hmm....someone who worked in the past with Michael, someone this person saw in other pictures, and footages....

Travis Payne ! ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Payne

IMDB:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0668456/

WOW!!! SO INTERESTING..

lyl wrote:They where NOT in the O2 Arena and acoustics would have been there as well totally different than in the Staples Centre where the incident came up.
By no means was this the first time in 45 years of Michael's career he was singing in close venues. Michael knew his job better than any Kenny on this world.

Yes, you are right. I read GirlSaturdays question wrong.
So yea, why WOULD he be forced to wear the ear things?

Travis was a dancer in "Ghosts"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119194/fullcredits#cast

Travis is not an AEG employee.

He is under contract for This is it (Sony/AEG movie)

Ugh,
Not good. This make me feel even more sad for Michael. How dare the blame him? I'm sure MJ knew it was not his fault.
I wish someone would just come out and tell the FULL DAMN TRUTH about it ALL.
GOsh, this is nuts.Someone has to have some BALLS and have MICHAELS BACK and say what the REAL TRUTH IS. FORK A CHECK. THIS IS MJ's LIFE, HIS FEELINGS AND ETC.

Thanks for posting this! Its really interesting and makes me think about who this person could be but most important is the question about the ear things....

i have a queesy feeling about it somehow.... when i read this first thought that came to my mind was the thing about mind control...

(dont call me nutter or sth like that but i know that these methods exists and that its used especially in the music business if u dont believe me then read it here:

http://www.phinnweb.org/neuro/brainwash/

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=149674

http://mindcontrol101.blogspot.com/2009/07/was-michael-jackson-mind-controlled-sex.html

Michael is a professional since he was a kid. I don't understand KO. Are his actions and reactions being controlled by I DON'T KNOW WHO. What's wrong with their rapport in this TII Movie.

Michael never wore any ear piece in any of his concerts. People take cues from him, not the other way around.

There's something off here. I get this weird feeling. Michael was showing the fans one way or the other that there is something to be seen. IMO

lyl wrote:They where NOT in the O2 Arena and acoustics would have been there as well totally different than in the Staples Centre where the incident came up.
By no means was this the first time in 45 years of Michael's career he was singing in close venues. Michael knew his job better than any Kenny on this world.

Agreed, MJ was the KIng!

None of those jackasses had MJ's skill level, duh! What the hell were they doing to him???

@ pammy = were on the same track. there are deeper reason why he was always a target of these things.

queenpanther55 wrote:@ pammy = were on the same track. there are deeper reason why he was always a target of these things.

I definitely agree that MJ most likely experienced
episodes of mind control.

'Childhood abuse' is key. A parent is supposed to love
and protect the child and when a parent abuses a child, the child copes by psychologically splitting their mind forming an alter ego to cope with the hurt and pain.

Not sure if I understand the mechanics correctly, but is mind control the exploitation of that 'psychological mind split' to condition the child into behaviors designed to please their handler?

Whether in a family or business, mental conditioning is a common attribute the cycle of violence. With MJ, that would translate to BIG $$$ for his handlers. Poor MJ, no wonder he only felt safe with children.

To improve my understanding, could you elaborate on the 'deeper reason' or direct me to URLs? Many, thanks.

You think this might be Dileo?

Also-maybe we shouldnt hate so much on KF? He mentions her alot.

Pammy wrote:Thanks for posting this! Its really interesting and makes me think about who this person could be but most important is the question about the ear things....

i have a queesy feeling about it somehow.... when i read this first thought that came to my mind was the thing about mind control...

(dont call me nutter or sth like that but i know that these methods exists and that its used especially in the music business if u dont believe me then read it here:

http://www.phinnweb.org/neuro/brainwash/

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=149674

http://mindcontrol101.blogspot.com/2009/07/was-michael-jackson-mind-controlled-sex.html

Omg

This part in the article..

"Oh and btw, he said that some of the crew members started checking TMZ with their IPHONES to find out whether or not Michael had seen Dr. Klein during the day. It would usually warn them on what to expect when he showed up."
I just don't believe it. If you were working for Michael Jackson, honestly, would you give two shits about how he was going to act? Maybe that's just me.. That's a once in a lifetime experience, I surely wouldn't think twice about it.

But I don't know how I feel about this article, as far as its credibility stands.

"Oh and btw, he said that some of the crew members started checking TMZ with their IPHONES to find out whether or not Michael had seen Dr. Klein during the day. It would usually warn them on what to expect when he showed up."

It's clear the crew knew that Dr. Klein was giving Michael something that made him act strange. So, can't that be part of the "brain control"?

I am so sad now...again !!! Am I the only who has the strange feeling that there are tons of weird things when it comes Michael's presence in the movie? I have not the natural gift of 'feeling' or 'seeing' more than the most of the ordinary human beings but now-and I am not able to understand why- now, my belief is that Michael was not on the stage all the time. Less than 50% of the movie...
I might be wrong, maybe Michael became extremely different during the last few years and we know that he did, but nothing of what i can read, see, hear, feel these last months is not like being part of him. It's too much for me, there are lots of death theories, tons of opinions, pics, impressions and videos , all of them showing something new, a new approach of his death and later, of his presence in the movie.Anyway, I'll keep my convinction that there were THREE Michael Jacksons on the stage. THREE !!! And I watched the movie 3 times !!!!
Thank you guys in advance for your time trying to convince me of the contrary !

I believe that through the whole movie it was MJ.
You can fake dance moves, but you can't fake his gestures/subtle movements

But of course It was definately all Michael

Haha ya that was just my response to speechlessornot

Look what i've just found on another forum. I think the post is interesting and its author(Myths777) will forget me but I'd really like you to read it.

Hey All
I have been reading all your posts for awhile, but have never really thought of posting until I felt I had something substantial. Like a lot of you I have been following the Hoax videos on youtube and
reading the forums. I started doing some research on my own but it wasn't until I seen one of your users post and a link for http://www.healt…..heworld.tv and that the "whois" record showed that the last update
was June 24. Being in the IT field I know that a "Whois" record cannot be altered even with goverment involvement as the Goverment does not control the Internet, Internic does, a consortium of companies
which is why certain subject matter can't be shut down. To me at least this find was huge!!
After watching the movie, I felt that not only was there body doubles used, but have since been able to prove that there are at least two different versions of "This Is It" (I'll start a new topic on that
subject later)
This got me thinking that the user who had posted the "www.healtheworld.tv"info had the right idea, we may never get concrete proof that he is alive but if we can at least prove that their was a
Hoax,conspiracy etc then we may be able to put some pressure on the right people to either fess up or make more blatant mistakes which will lead to Michael being alive.
Using that users frame of mind I started to think okay what information could I gather that could provide that type of proof? Like many of you I believe that the O2 announcement was a total farce…it was
not Michael. I know that "Navi" (Michael Jackson impersonator) has publicly stated that he was approached by Sony to do some film work for "This is it" but had turned them down.
I started researching Michael Jackson impersonators and came upon "Kenny Wizz":
http://www.ken…..nywizz.com
He not only looks and dances like MJ….but he also actually sings (no lip sync). His home base is Las vegas which as we all know is where Michael spent a lot of his later years, in particular enjoying all
the Live Shows that Vegas has to offer. I then tried to track down where "Kenny Wizz" was from Feb.2009 to June 2009…nothing listed, but I found this in my searches:
http://andronico.wordpress.com/2009/10/26/jacko-at-resorts-wo…..rld-manila
http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideEntertainment.htm?f=2009/october/26/entertainment2.isx&d=/2009/…..october/26
In particular read the last paragrah it reads like some type of press release, K this could be big but I would need some type of confirmation…right? My wife has "Facebook" setup so I asked her if she would
add "Kenny Wizz" as a friend and ask him directly if this was true or B.S.
Remeber Sony, AEG and Kenny Ortega have all stated on the record that without a doubt absolutley no body doubles were used in "This Is It", here is the reply from "Kenny Wizz" on the article (I have removed
my wife's Facebook name):

I realize it can be argued that possibly "Kenny Wizz" is lying but personally I believe it is the other way around

My guts just keep telling me that I have not felt from Michael in TII his signature energy, his very presence.
You could have a stadium full of millions but every eyes were focused on him even if he just stood still, he made people faint, he made people go crazy just being there.
You couldn't follow any other dancers when he was performing. He was always drawing people to him like a magnet.
I can't feel this happening in TII.

But how could they possibly sound that much like him.
And I've seen the impersonators and though they do look similar, there is still a visible difference. So I guess they could've been wearing glasses..
but even then, the voice?

lonelynation wrote:But how could they possibly sound that much like him.
And I've seen the impersonators and though they do look similar, there is still a visible difference. So I guess they could've been wearing glasses..
but even then, the voice?

agree i don't think someone could imitate his voice to that extend!

Have you heard many "Michael voices"? How about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSbVA5ohyPM

There's even an absolutely striking one: Zain Bhikha - Give Thanks to Allah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nEMDKzDFQI

lonelynation wrote:But how could they possibly sound that much like him.
And I've seen the impersonators and though they do look similar, there is still a visible difference. So I guess they could've been wearing glasses..
but even then, the voice?

Everything is possible, believe me! I learnt not to trust in what i see and/or hear.

Good catch!

Initially I viewed TII and assumed that I was watching a more mature, business-like and serious grown up man than I had seen in the past. I didn't realize it then but you remind me now that something was missing. MJ was on a stage thoughout TII. He has never been shown to be quiet, shy, reserved or withdrawn while onstage. Never!

The familiar MJ energy was indeed missing in the movie. We caught glimpses of it but those moments came in flashes and if you blinked you missed it. LOL...in my "review" after seeing TII for the first time, I even included an opinion about the dancers. WHY did I even notice them when MJ was onstage????

lyl wrote:My guts just keep telling me that I have not felt from Michael in TII his signature energy, his very presence.
You could have a stadium full of millions but every eyes were focused on him even if he just stood still, he made people faint, he made people go crazy just being there.
You couldn't follow any other dancers when he was performing. He was always drawing people to him like a magnet.
I can't feel this happening in TII.

I was really ashamed of myself at one point following the dancers and I couldn't explain it right away but I deep knew that something very important was missing.

lyl wrote:By no means was this the first time in 45 years of Michael's career he was singing in close venues. Michael knew his job better than any Kenny on this world.

I agree with you... He is more genius than any other when it comes to his career... It's simply shows that MJ is surrounded by Culprits and hypocrits. *sighs*

speechlessornot wrote:I am so sad now...again !!! Am I the only who has the strange feeling that there are tons of weird things when it comes Michael's presence in the movie? I have not the natural gift of 'feeling' or 'seeing' more than the most of the ordinary human beings but now-and I am not able to understand why- now, my belief is that Michael was not on the stage all the time. Less than 50% of the movie...
I might be wrong, maybe Michael became extremely different during the last few years and we know that he did, but nothing of what i can read, see, hear, feel these last months is not like being part of him. It's too much for me, there are lots of death theories, tons of opinions, pics, impressions and videos , all of them showing something new, a new approach of his death and later, of his presence in the movie.Anyway, I'll keep my convinction that there were THREE Michael Jacksons on the stage. THREE !!! And I watched the movie 3 times !!!!
Thank you guys in advance for your time trying to convince me of the contrary !

I agree with you. I only watched TII movie online and viewed pics that members posted but that was enough to confirm in my mind that TII featured at LEAST 2 doubles, possibly three. ILMAO at orange pants MJ 'flap dancing' behind girl dancer_and many, many examples of 'sloppy' dance steps _there was NO WAY that was MJ even if he was having a bad day.

Please, keep the faith, because although there are many death theories, there are a greater preponderance of clues that indicate that he is still alive.

Go watch the film!

speechlessornot wrote:

lonelynation wrote:But how could they possibly sound that much like him.
And I've seen the impersonators and though they do look similar, there is still a visible difference. So I guess they could've been wearing glasses..
but even then, the voice?

Everything is possible, believe me! I learnt not to trust in what i see and/or hear.

Check this out for a voice that sounds IDENTICAL MJ ...but supposed to be Jason Malachi.

Anyone heard of Jason Malachi???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBu9vFSzRcg

White_Orchid wrote:

speechlessornot wrote:

lonelynation wrote:But how could they possibly sound that much like him.
And I've seen the impersonators and though they do look similar, there is still a visible difference. So I guess they could've been wearing glasses..
but even then, the voice?

Everything is possible, believe me! I learnt not to trust in what i see and/or hear.

Check this out for a voice that sounds IDENTICAL MJ ...but supposed to be Jason Malachi.

Anyone heard of Jason Malachi???

[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBu9vFSzRcg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBu9vFSzRcg[/quote[/url]]

Yeah I have, I have Let Me Let Go onmy iPod - i thought it was michael too at first i dont hink i would like it otherwise but there are differences in the voice you can tell.

Monday November 2, 2009


Someone screwed up at the premiere ...


I leave you this video ... it is also for people who say that MJ is dead ... here have a great post, as video is in English, they commented on the video ... the premiere, they were interviewing a person on MJ, and then the person says:

"When I heard the news about MJ, I called Kenny and he said: Still, do not believe in anything you see or hear, and come to trial, [he talked to Michael Jack ...] (he realizes that screwed and correction pauses, then says "Doctor" ...

What do you think?

I leave the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obb5uo-IlcY&feature=player_embedded

maria-c wrote:Monday November 2, 2009



Someone screwed up at the premiere ...



I leave you this video ... it is also for people who say that MJ is dead ... here have a great post, as video is in English, they commented on the video ... the premiere, they were interviewing a person on MJ, and then the person says:

"When I heard the news about MJ, I called Kenny and he said: Still, do not believe in anything you see or hear, and come to trial, [he talked to Michael Jack ...] (he realizes that screwed and correction pauses, then says "Doctor" ...

What do you think?

I leave the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obb5uo-IlcY&feature=player_embedded

Hmm that's interesting but I honestly think he made an innocent mistake. That's just my opinion though.. who knows?

[quote="XspeechlessX"]

White_Orchid wrote:

speechlessornot wrote:

lonelynation wrote:But how could they possibly sound that much like him.
And I've seen the impersonators and though they do look similar, there is still a visible difference. So I guess they could've been wearing glasses..
but even then, the voice?

Everything is possible, believe me! I learnt not to trust in what i see and/or hear.

Check this out for a voice that sounds IDENTICAL MJ ...but supposed to be Jason Malachi.

Anyone heard of Jason Malachi???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBu9vFSzRcg[/quote]

Yeah I have, I have Let Me Let Go onmy iPod - i thought it was michael too at first i dont hink i would like it otherwise but there are differences in the voice you can tell.

Thank you, I appreciate that your clarity.
Visual doubles are easier to identify but this Malachi voice sounded so close to MJ...I wasn't sure.
Arrgghhh, this hoax gets soooooooooooo confusing!

[quote="White_Orchid"]

XspeechlessX wrote:

White_Orchid wrote:

speechlessornot wrote:

lonelynation wrote:But how could they possibly sound that much like him.
And I've seen the impersonators and though they do look similar, there is still a visible difference. So I guess they could've been wearing glasses..
but even then, the voice?

Everything is possible, believe me! I learnt not to trust in what i see and/or hear.

Check this out for a voice that sounds IDENTICAL MJ ...but supposed to be Jason Malachi.

Anyone heard of Jason Malachi???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBu9vFSzRcg[/quote]

Yeah I have, I have Let Me Let Go onmy iPod - i thought it was michael too at first i dont hink i would like it otherwise but there are differences in the voice you can tell.

Thank you, I appreciate that your clarity.
Visual doubles are easier to identify but this Malachi voice sounded so close to MJ...I wasn't sure.
Arrgghhh, this hoax gets soooooooooooo confusing!

No problem and I know. Theres so many different stories Im getting lost in it all.

ok-just sayin-I believe it was Michael in all the footage we saw...yes he was missing something but a the interviewed in this article aid "we were trying to bring that old spark back"...if Michael was stressed and sad then there would be a certain spark not there. This article if true hurts me alot for him. I did notice in the movie the second time I saw it-when Michael is on the cherry picker and KO is acting like a dweeb about it (as if Michael never had been on one) when he is getting off KO says "I love you" when Michael answers him he looks so sad.."I love you too". Considering we only saw three days -I really doubt that we saw three differant MJs.
This article is one that makes me feel we are fooling ourselves. I have written Aphrodite,who also does not believe that he died of drugs. Because of MJS fan response to her,I hope she does her own looking into it.

neverlandprincess wrote:ok-just sayin-I believe it was Michael in all the footage we saw...yes he was missing something but a the interviewed in this article aid "we were trying to bring that old spark back"...if Michael was stressed and sad then there would be a certain spark not there. This article if true hurts me alot for him. I did notice in the movie the second time I saw it-when Michael is on the cherry picker and KO is acting like a dweeb about it (as if Michael never had been on one) when he is getting off KO says "I love you" when Michael answers him he looks so sad.."I love you too". Considering we only saw three days -I really doubt that we saw three differant MJs.
This article is one that makes me feel we are fooling ourselves. I have written Aphrodite,who also does not believe that he died of drugs. Because of MJS fan response to her,I hope she does her own looking into it.

Are you saying that you think Michael is really gone? The article was like a punch in the stomach to me. I'm feeling really dismal about this whole thing.

DawnMarie1121 wrote:

neverlandprincess wrote:ok-just sayin-I believe it was Michael in all the footage we saw...yes he was missing something but a the interviewed in this article aid "we were trying to bring that old spark back"...if Michael was stressed and sad then there would be a certain spark not there. This article if true hurts me alot for him. I did notice in the movie the second time I saw it-when Michael is on the cherry picker and KO is acting like a dweeb about it (as if Michael never had been on one) when he is getting off KO says "I love you" when Michael answers him he looks so sad.."I love you too". Considering we only saw three days -I really doubt that we saw three differant MJs.
This article is one that makes me feel we are fooling ourselves. I have written Aphrodite,who also does not believe that he died of drugs. Because of MJS fan response to her,I hope she does her own looking into it.

Are you saying that you think Michael is really gone? The article was like a punch in the stomach to me. I'm feeling really dismal about this whole thing.

The post I wrote is weeks old...it was a punch in the stomache for me as well-when I read it. I have seen TII again since then. When it comes to TII,there are like three conflicting stories and it does make me angry. We have the one that says Michael was weak and most of it is doubles. We have the one that says he was more than willing and able and it was his idea to up the shows to fifty (Thats a Phillips quote,and I don't believe it) Then we have Michael was ready and willing but the stress was too much. We don't know,but as I have said before we want closure.We cant MAKE him be alive or come back if he is. One thing is so sure though-there is no way that he would want to be remembered as another great one who died of "drugs"...and if he fake it then he still would'nt want his fans to think that. I don't believe it-not that he didnt have a dependancy...most of us are dependant on SOMETHING,and he was in pain. HOWEVER-the drug stories don't mesh with the autopsy report or the many speeches he gave in the last few years...so therefore go I to find the truth....this is just one of the many articles like this we will probably run into. Differant peoples perspective.

-Michael, and this is shown in the movie, did not want to wear the ear
monitors. As this person told me, "look at any footage from Michael in
concerts in the past, and you will never find him wearing ear monitors,
he did not like them, did not need them."




"you have to undrstand that here you do not have an option, you have to
wear them, this is going to be a closed arena, not an open stadium, and
the sound is different." He said his tone was very nasty and everyone
was shocked, especially since Michael looked very upset, but mostly
hurt, by it.




He said that Michael did not have his clothes ready, and that there was
"pathetic" @#$%$ing around from different stylists that were trying to
come up with ideas. But nothing was ready, no clothes, not even for the
dancers.




He worked with Michael in the past and Michael never wore sunglasses
while reharsing the dark like that, especially since Michael in the
past would always want to see how the lights looked and for that reason
did not like using shades.


Michael stayed as far as he could from Ortega, Payne and Phillips off
stage, because he always felt he was being chased by them to do more,
perform more and give more
WOW ORTEGA..YOU ARE A BIG MJ'S FRIEND..WOW GREETZ


He said that a lot of pressure was put on Michael, but the truth is
that the concerts were not going to be ready not because of him, but
because the there was simply not enough time to acocmplish all they had
planned. He said he is sure Michael would have been 100% ready by July
13th, because "he did those songs hundreds of times before during his
career, he knew exaclty what to do" but everything else around was not
ready.
He also says he personally felt Michael sometimes did not
show up because he knew things were moving slowly and sort of felt
disappointed. He was a perfectionist, and when things were obviosuly
not going in the right direction, he would get frustrated and sort of
lose interest, instead of becoming upset at someone. Yet they made him
believe it was him, that things were moving slowly because of him. But
this person told me that Michael had nothing to do with all the
technical stuff, like lightings, fireworks etc, therefore it was not
his fault, but he was the easy target.




A lot of things make sense now, especially the concerts not being ready
based on what we saw in the movie. No way in two weeks they were going
to be ready. Also, he said, don't forget that a lot of days would have
been lost during the move to London and setting up the stage there and
get adjusted to the arena.
This is very sad, especially to think that Michael was somehow made feel responsible for this.


that's 4 me is too much..
i'm very sad now.poor michael.