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Post by JustJamiee on Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:53 pm

I know there is no solid proof right now, but when you're trying to convince someone that MJ is alive is there something they can read or a video they can watch that's quick and right to the point, laying out all the main facts about the hoax and why we think it happend? I refer them to the website but once they get here I don't think they really know where to go from there.. ANY SUGGESTIONS? Smile
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Post by GirlSaturday on Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:09 pm

Good question.

This site has so many threads that a non-believer may not have the interest or patience to weave through the various threads. I would suggest sending the person to the Jonell Star videos since they lay out the inconsistencies with visuals that are easy to follow especially the earlier ones. That would lay the groundwork to encourage the non-believer to return here and go to the topics of his/her choice.
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Post by fa on Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:10 pm

Well, I just show the 1 milion 745 thousand 344 coincidences we found until now...
It works in almost 100%
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Post by JustJamiee on Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:15 pm

GirlSaturday wrote:Good question.

This site has so many threads that a non-believer may not have the interest or patience to weave through the various threads. I would suggest sending the person to the Jonell Star videos since they lay out the inconsistencies with visuals that are easy to follow especially the earlier ones. That would lay the groundwork to encourage the non-believer to return here and go to the topics of his/her choice.

Yeah! I was thinking JonellStarTV videos would do the trick cause that's how I found this site. I guess that's what I'll refer them to then. Altough her videos are soooo long and the latests ones she's made have been sort of confusinggg. lol
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Post by GirlSaturday on Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:17 pm

That's why I referred to the earlier ones. When you try to convince someone that MJ is ALIVE and they a Lol

JustJamiee wrote:
GirlSaturday wrote:Good question.

This site has so many threads that a non-believer may not have the interest or patience to weave through the various threads. I would suggest sending the person to the Jonell Star videos since they lay out the inconsistencies with visuals that are easy to follow especially the earlier ones. That would lay the groundwork to encourage the non-believer to return here and go to the topics of his/her choice.

Yeah! I was thinking JonellStarTV videos would do the trick cause that's how I found this site. I guess that's what I'll refer them to then. Altough her videos are soooo long and the latests ones she's made have been sort of confusinggg. lol
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Post by MissLady on Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:59 pm

JustJamiee wrote:
GirlSaturday wrote:Good question.

This site has so many threads that a non-believer may not have the interest or patience to weave through the various threads. I would suggest sending the person to the Jonell Star videos since they lay out the inconsistencies with visuals that are easy to follow especially the earlier ones. That would lay the groundwork to encourage the non-believer to return here and go to the topics of his/her choice.

Yeah! I was thinking JonellStarTV videos would do the trick cause that's how I found this site. I guess that's what I'll refer them to then. Altough her videos are soooo long and the latests ones she's made have been sort of confusinggg. lol

I became a believer after the Jonellstar vids too, that's how I got started! Even though there's a lot of them and it can be quite time consuming I think that's the best place to start. Great question though! I still have yet to convince my husband, the prob is he doesn't have the patience to watch all those vids. I've explained all the inconsistencies to him and he still doesn't get it, Grrrrrrrrrrrrr When you try to convince someone that MJ is ALIVE and they a Icon_mad
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Post by nellyka7 on Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:09 pm

Maybe we should make up our own video or own sight just with everything put together. But if you ask me, the letters from Cassandra with the diary and the movie are enough to convince anyone.
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Post by JustJamiee on Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:42 pm

nellyka7 wrote:Maybe we should make up our own video or own sight just with everything put together. But if you ask me, the letters from Cassandra with the diary and the movie are enough to convince anyone.

I think we SHOULD make a video. But, you still believe in the whole Cassandra thing? lol
I saw those diaries and they seem toooooo good to be true to me. But maybe i'm wrong.
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Post by YouAreMyLifeMJ on Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:49 pm

I love watching those videos. And I have seen many of yours on Youtube and I subscribed. When you try to convince someone that MJ is ALIVE and they a Icon_biggrin
I have sent tons of videos to my friends and it's convinced quite a few of them that MJ is alive. But there are still those people who have closed minds and believe anything the media says. unfortunately, I don't think we'll ever be able to convince them...at least until MJ comes back, and I hope he does.
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Post by MissLady on Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:52 pm

JustJamiee wrote:
nellyka7 wrote:Maybe we should make up our own video or own sight just with everything put together. But if you ask me, the letters from Cassandra with the diary and the movie are enough to convince anyone.

I think we SHOULD make a video. But, you still believe in the whole Cassandra thing? lol
I saw those diaries and they seem toooooo good to be true to me. But maybe i'm wrong.

Hey, help me out here! I've read bits and pieces of what people have posted from Cassandra... but can I get a link to the website where she handles all this business. I'm super curious to read it all.
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Post by nellyka7 on Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:55 pm

JustJamiee wrote:
nellyka7 wrote:Maybe we should make up our own video or own sight just with everything put together. But if you ask me, the letters from Cassandra with the diary and the movie are enough to convince anyone.

I think we SHOULD make a video. But, you still believe in the whole Cassandra thing? lol
I saw those diaries and they seem toooooo good to be true to me. But maybe i'm wrong.

Haha. Well some i believe and there are some that im not so sure about.

@ Misslady derekclontz.com if you go to archives you can go through all of the articles the website has made, most of them are regarding MJ. I would give you the individual links but there are wayy too many for me to go through so here are a few.. Let me know what you think!

http://derekclontz.com/2009/09/17/michael-jackson-is-alive-source-answers-your-questions-all-you-have-to-do-is-ask/

http://derekclontz.com/2009/07/01/details-of-michael-death-hoax-revealed-and-we-know-where-he-is-hiding/

http://derekclontz.com/2009/10/02/michael-jackson-spotted-in-miami-budapest-athens-and-rome-eyewitness-report/

http://derekclontz.com/2009/10/09/new-wave-of-michael-sightings-sweeps-u-s/

http://derekclontz.com/2009/10/07/michael-and-barack-in-secret-white-house-meeting/#comments
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Post by LizzieBee on Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:15 pm

I think a video is a great idea!! Hmm...I think I'll make one but it's probably going to take a while. Recently I've only had enough spare time to handle my youtube account and this account. I'm never even on myspace anymore. Lolz. I already know what to put in the vid too. I've made a couple of really good posts here so I can input some of that info. It would be great for nonbelievers to believe after one 5-10 min. video. And then if they need more proof they can research more into it. If they still think we're crazy(which is unlikely if we present them with the right clues/inconsistencies) then let them be the ones to hear, "I told you so" when it is revealed to the world. When you try to convince someone that MJ is ALIVE and they a Icon_cheers

I get overwhelmed with excitement and frustration when someone questions me about the hoax. I'm so excited that they think his "death" is weird...but then frustrated when, for some reason, I can't put all of my knowledge into words that make sense while trying to explain everything to them. Lol. Then they think I'm crazy...but I really am sure of myself. Hehe.
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Post by Lay"sMjBad on Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:19 pm

GirlSaturday wrote:Good question.

This site has so many threads that a non-believer may not have the interest or patience to weave through the various threads. I would suggest sending the person to the Jonell Star videos since they lay out the inconsistencies with visuals that are easy to follow especially the earlier ones. That would lay the groundwork to encourage the non-believer to return here and go to the topics of his/her choice.
You have a good point that's exactly what i did with my best friend i told her to watch those videos and she is a firm believer just like me now When you try to convince someone that MJ is ALIVE and they a Icon_razz When you try to convince someone that MJ is ALIVE and they a Icon_cheers When you try to convince someone that MJ is ALIVE and they a Icon_razz so proud that she is seeing the light just like me now!!!!!Heeeheee
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Post by ILuvUMoreMJ on Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:44 pm

JustJamiee wrote:I know there is no solid proof right now, but when you're trying to convince someone that MJ is alive is there something they can read or a video they can watch that's quick and right to the point, laying out all the main facts about the hoax and why we think it happend? I refer them to the website but once they get here I don't think they really know where to go from there.. ANY SUGGESTIONS? Smile

That's so funny...I was just about to ask the exact same question! Laughing I've had so many people ask me to summarize all the inconsistencies, and I always say it would take me all day. Every time I try to find a link or video to show them, it's always a partial overview and it leaves so much out, but I can't expect anyone to watch 14 parts of a video either. I also think a lot of theories out there are way too far-fetched for the average person to believe, so I wish there was a vid that strictly dealt with all the facts that was only a few minutes long. Anyone? Laughing
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Post by texasbornandraised on Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:47 pm

I have also heard that "MJFanFOREVERAndADAY" on you tube also has some really good videos. Although I can't say if they are since I haven't seen them yet. I think I will do that tonight and get back and report what I think.
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Post by Ibelieve8 on Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:53 pm

Pianogames videos on youtube are what convinced me to dig deeper into the hoax. I sat at work today and talked to about 4 girls who looked at me like I was crazy. That I was just another obsessed MJ fan. However, when I started to explain some of the coincidences and pictures, they began to see it too. If they don't have an open mind and are not fans, it's a waste of breath. They'll believe it when they see it happen. When you try to convince someone that MJ is ALIVE and they a Icon_cyclops
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Post by labkomj7 on Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:06 am

I convinced my mom through Jonell's video, and she says there's a possibility, and she says,
Michael is the only one who can pull it off... Very Happy cheers
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Post by shirley-grace on Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:07 am

I stopted trying to convince anybody.
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Post by ILuvUMoreMJ on Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:24 am

I've been lucky I guess...everyone I mention it to is really receptive to the idea. I haven't had anyone tell me they think I'm out of my mind...yet. Laughing
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Post by nellyka7 on Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:01 pm

@ Lizzie bee i know exactly how you feel! my friends could ask me at lunch if i have any "MJ NEWS" and I can be almost to the point of tears, then a smile will pop up on my face! And it can be hard to explain it to them because you can't just sum up everything- there are SO many clues that now I have to write them down because I don't want to forget ANYTHING.
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Post by nohype on Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:08 pm

My friends and family know how I feel about MJ's death, but I don't try to convince them. However, I've had a few friends ask me why I think he's still alive. I referred them to Jonell, and now Maura's, videos. So far, none of them have called me crazy. When you try to convince someone that MJ is ALIVE and they a Icon_smile They are very impressed with the videos. I get the feeling that a lot of people are catching on...
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Post by nellyka7 on Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:13 pm

nohype wrote:My friends and family know how I feel about MJ's death, but I don't try to convince them. However, I've had a few friends ask me why I think he's still alive. I referred them to Jonell, and now Maura's, videos. So far, none of them have called me crazy. When you try to convince someone that MJ is ALIVE and they a Icon_smile They are very impressed with the videos. I get the feeling that a lot of people are catching on...

That's a good idea. Can someone please send me the link?
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Post by StripedFeline on Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:16 pm

I've just uploaded 'Part 1' of JonellStarTV's videos onto my Facebook page. I'm intrigued to see if I get any positive reactions. Wink Either way, I remain firmly where I currently am.

Oh, and the link to it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g91YGe5ouqs
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Post by MJsAngelEyes1987 on Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:21 pm

If I were to convince my mom even though my mom doesn't believe me right now, but she told me that if MJ were to return possibly, that she'd even pay me which I find a bit surprising. Of course my mom thinks that MJ would get in serious trouble for pulling this off plus the people on the investigation would lose their careers as well. But I don't care what my mom says!!! Nothing is gonna stop me!!! I love MJ & always will even though I'm a new fan but still, nothing will change my love for him! He's the best!! (:
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Post by Jude on Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:30 pm

I don't even try
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Post by looking4truth on Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:36 pm

That's a good question. Oftentimes, when I try to convince people, I don't know where to start because there is so much and I usually forget because there's so much. lol And most of the people I try to convince are not interested in the videos so much. So I just stop talking about and wait til I get on here to discuss with like-minded folks. I do wish there was a website that lists all the factual inconsistencies.
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Post by Bicky on Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:56 pm

Jude wrote:I don't even try


Me neither. I am too busy looking into stuff for myself to be bothered with what others believe. I honestly don't see what the point is anyway of trying to change everyone's mind. It won't change anything that is going on.

As long as I know where I stand then that is enough for me. I don't need others to believe.
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Post by Styloprincess on Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:51 am

that's what I think right now too...I've tried before but they wouldn't listen so now I'm like ok then I'm not trying anymore...but it's your loss people When you try to convince someone that MJ is ALIVE and they a Icon_rr When you try to convince someone that MJ is ALIVE and they a Icon_cool
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Post by Missyb007 on Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:39 pm

labkomj7 wrote:I convinced my mom through Jonell's video, and she says there's a possibility, and she says,
Michael is the only one who can pull it off... Very Happy cheers

Me too! And I've convinced my boyfriend too!
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Post by smo-othie on Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:54 pm

I don't even try anymore... no one believes me. But I do and that's what matters. Only my aunt, my cousin and my cousin's friend believe me, but I don't care, we are so damn close to the truth, aren't we? :DD
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Post by billiejean17 on Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:07 pm

I have convinced the people i work with hehe! and my daughter and her partner that Michael is indeed very much A.L.I.V.E.
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Post by lisap27 on Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:14 pm

i've convinced me mum.. my partner thinks i'm crazy and just shouts at me (not nastily) an tells me to get over it!!

BUT my mum has daily up-dates.. ask for work colleauges.. they just laugh..
so i keep it to myself now!! WELL an u guys.. Smile
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Post by MJsAngelEyes1987 on Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:16 pm

Well, for me, I've tried to convince my mom in a way, but apparently, she just doesn't think that'd be the case because she thinks that MJ wouldn't put his children/family/fans through all this mess. My mom has also told me that if he did pull this off, (from her opinion) as to how much serious trouble MJ would be in & everyone involved w/ the investigation(police, coroner, etc.) that they'd lose their careers, etc.
I will say, but she told me that if MJ were to return or is alive, that she'd even pay me if I was proven right which would be sorta of a weird thing for her to do. LOL
But anyways, I don't care what my mom says!!! I'm NOT gonna give up whatsoever!! I LOVE MJ & nothing will ever change that. Smile
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Post by Léa on Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:19 pm

Your mum is right on the fact that a LOT of people will be angru when Mj returns.

Fortunately, a lot will just be happy he's here !
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Post by MJsAngelEyes1987 on Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:24 pm

Well, one things, for sure, I'd never be mad @ MJ at all. I'd be happy if he were to return. Very Happy
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Post by Léa on Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:25 pm

MJsAngelEyes1987 wrote:Well, one things, for sure, I'd never be mad @ MJ at all. I'd be happy if he were to return. Very Happy
Me too of course !

But don't you believe some people will be mad ? because of the suicides, the pain...
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Post by MJsAngelEyes1987 on Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:31 pm

They prolly will, I mean the haters will prolly be really angry & I'd certainly hope they wouldn't do anything stupid, but of course from some of the questions that I've seen on Yahoo Answers about similar stuff like this that people have asked, some people have said that they'd be disappointed, but at the same time, they'd be happy(meaning the fans).
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Post by MJhunny on Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:49 pm

I've been stuck to my computer screen for months now and my husband thought i was completely off my rocker...however last week i calmly asked him to come sit next to me as i was analyzing the funeral vids, i pointed so much stuff out to him that at least now he knows what it is i'm doing exactly
i definetly got him curious
My mother can't stand it anymore in the mornings for the last five months she's had to listen to my sister and me ranting and raving about the hoax as we drink tea together before we head off to work she's just not into our stuff and said she's seen it all before when Elvis died, we then animatedly point out to her that thats the whole point Elvis died but MJ did'nt...
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Post by Léa on Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:26 pm

MJsAngelEyes1987 wrote:They prolly will, I mean the haters will prolly be really angry & I'd certainly hope they wouldn't do anything stupid, but of course from some of the questions that I've seen on Yahoo Answers about similar stuff like this that people have asked, some people have said that they'd be disappointed, but at the same time, they'd be happy(meaning the fans).

I don't want to believe there would be more disapointed people than happ. Because Micheal will never show up otherwise. I can't believe some people would rather see him dead than alive.
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