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Post by GirlInTheMirror1 Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:26 am

RTL show “Explosiv” just announced: THE VAN-VIDEO IS FAKE – AND MADE UP BY THEM!
In the show, first
they showed how they made up the van – a white van with the blue design
and the word “coroner” on it, and even the same numbers on the plate.

Then they showed, how the person in the vid was made up, with white make up and wig.
Purpose apparently: to test the hoax-believers worldwide (and show how stupid we are…).
But don´t worry. We need to focus on the question, why it was really made…

The video was shot in Duesseldorf, by the way.. (capital of North Rhine Westfalia).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..DrgiDRxstw
(this is the making of; credit to fromfrance; I just wanted to put it on top here).
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Post by zembla Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:33 am

GirlInTheMirror1 wrote:RTL show “Explosiv” just announced: THE VAN-VIDEO IS FAKE – AND MADE UP BY THEM!
In the show, first
they showed how they made up the van – a white van with the blue design
and the word “coroner” on it, and even the same numbers on the plate.

Then they showed, how the person in the vid was made up, with white make up and wig.
Purpose apparently: to test the hoax-believers worldwide (and show how stupid we are…).
But don´t worry. We need to focus on the question, why it was really made…

The video was shot in Duesseldorf, by the way.. (capital of North Rhine Westfalia).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..DrgiDRxstw
(this is the making of; credit to fromfrance; I just wanted to put it on top here).

Original link to the explosiv explanation video here (in German though): http://www.rtl.de/tv/tv_990652.php
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Post by Guest Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:42 am

[quote="zembla"]
GirlInTheMirror1 wrote:RTL show “Explosiv” just announced: THE VAN-VIDEO IS FAKE – AND MADE UP BY THEM!
In the show, first
they showed how they made up the van – a white van with the blue design
and the word “coroner” on it, and even the same numbers on the plate.

Then they showed, how the person in the vid was made up, with white make up and wig.
Purpose apparently: to test the hoax-believers worldwide (and show how stupid we are…).
But don´t worry. We need to focus on the question, why it was really made…

The video was shot in Duesseldorf, by the way.. (capital of North Rhine Westfalia).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..DrgiDRxstw
(this is the making of; credit to fromfrance; I just wanted to put it on top here).

Original link to the explosiv explanation video here (in German though): http://www.rtl.de/tv/tv_990652.php[/quote]


What a piece of BS to make. How Could they do this. That will break the hearts of thousand of poeple. That has to be the worse thing, ever DONE by the media. EVER!!

They should be ashamed Mad


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Post by kdkennedy74 Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:46 am

If the video is truly fake then why not announce to the world instead of just Germany?
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Post by Savannah Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:48 am

kdkennedy74 wrote:If the video is truly fake then why not announce to the world instead of just Germany?

I was wondering that also???
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Post by kdkennedy74 Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:50 am

At this point it doesn't really matter if the video is real or fake. Like I said yesterday, we have enough evidence without the video to prove that he is alive so let them go ahead and treat us like fools but we know the truth.
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Post by ilprincipe Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:59 am

My opinion didn't change at all...

I've seen no clear evidence of the making of...
sure they prepared a van....

but I wanted to see some "takes" from the shooting...
I didn't see clear evidences...

RTL didn't shoot the original...
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Post by mir26 Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:13 pm

I will post it here too its from MJHD from getitright and what she is saying makes sense to me







OK, so I thought that maybe it would be a good idea to start a topic/debate about this video that RTL released.
[url=http://www.rtl.de/tv/tv_990652.php]http://www.rtl.de/tv/tv_990652.php[/url]


Ok guys, I'm really trying my hardest to remain level headed in this. Of course we had to always consider this as a possibility right?
Of course people would do anything for attention or to cash in on Michael's death. So yes, I expected someone to something cruel like this.
But come on, let's be realistic here about a few things.
This is a television show!! There should be multiple angles , from multiple cameras filming this “hoax”.
The boy had on pale make up and a black wig? That's funny, because in the video you can't even so “MJs” face to be able to tell what it looks like and wig??? I was pretty damn sure that the person in the leak video had a towel over his head and was wearing PANTS, not shorts!!
Are you kidding me with this shit? I am really mad right now. That kid was a short little boy!! The person to hop out of that van, was a man that was small, but almost as tall as the van.
Why not show the camera cuts and out takes? What parent would allow their 14 year old child to get onto television and admit to making a video like this? Why even use a 14 year old child? Eh hmmm who would “think” to use a 14 year old boy for this video? That's right.. RTL DID fake the video (my threat from mjhd) Icon_wink RTL DID fake the video (my threat from mjhd) Sf-wink


I live in Orange county , but spend A LOT of time in Downtown L.A! I KNOW WHAT THE HELL IT SOUNDS LIKE early evening/late afternoon.
What you hear in the background is the everyday hustle and bustle of downtown L.A. I notice that there seems to be more sirens than usual, but it's quite obvious why. Downtown L.A was complete and total chaos the day that Michael “died”.
I originally thought that the German tv station was trying to recreate this video for their own ratings and cash on all of this. I thought wrong.
It my opinion, this was a lure. Trying to get the person who shot this video to come out and say that they did it. Anyone who actually got this video footage released it with the hopes of exposing the truth. I would imagine that they are HIGHLY pissed off about this German station trying to discredit it. I believe that this hoax video was done by the people that are either “protecting” Michael or are “holding” Michael.
I really hope this poor person doesn't fall into it.


It's going to cost the Jackson's triple the amount to bury Michael? Why? Because it's going to be on a weekday? That makes no logical sense!
I called Forest Lawn Cemetary and was very specifically told that it a funeral on a weekday is cheaper than on a weekend. Why would this be different for Michael? There is going to be MORE media on a weekend and MORE people, given the fact that people won't have to work or cover everyday stories..
It's more money because now it's “hush” money. This video leak screwed up a lot of plans I believe.
They have to pay off people now, to be quiet and not question anything.
Please open your eyes and minds when it comes to this entire video leak thing. Obviously , it was a real leak and people are doing anything that they can to cover it up. So with that, disregard the video from your mind completely. Go through every single topic on this website and start ruling out everything. That' what I'm going to do. I honestly in my heart believe that we have all of the pieces to the puzzle and the video was the final clue. It's time to start putting this all together.
I've stated this before, that this is all very personal to me. I don't know what happened to him and every single day it really scares me..
It's amazing how fast people can shut you out of a circle the second that you question something. It's always been my belief that in order to fully accept something, you have to fully understand it. And when people who should have be questioning things, got defensive about me questioning things, I knew that something was up.
Let's move forward. Don't just be so easily convinced by something. That RTL video proved absolutely nothing at all. They showed “how” they could make the video. Not how they made the video..
What are your thoughts?
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Post by michellemissesmjj Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:15 pm

ppl i just watched sky news here in the uk and they had the head of mj fan site, somebody like that who said this vid is not real and sadly that mj is dead. he said it was made for money reasons and a germany company will be showing it tonight and they have only done it to raise ratings. he said it is very bad on mj name and that many ppl will be heartbroken by this cause he was loved by so many. he said it was very very cruel on this thousands of fans. Sad
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Post by michellemissesmjj Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:18 pm

also they is something missing from down the side of the van. it will come back on again so i will watch again. it wasn't the sticker under the plate though.
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Post by emanviam Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:02 pm

Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad

I am speechless right now...

I had a hope on this video...

Your love is magical, that's how I feel
But I have not the words here to explain
Gone is the grace for expressions of passion
But there are worlds and worlds of ways to explain
To tell you how I feel
But I am speechless, speechless
That's how you make me feel
Though I'm with you I am far away and nothing is for real
When I'm with you I am lost for words, I don't know what to say My head's
spinning like a carousel, so silently I pray Helpless and hopeless, that's
how I feel inside Nothing's real, but all is possible if God is on my side
When I'm with you I am in the light where I cannot be found It's as though I
am standing in the place called Hallowed Ground Speechless, speechless,
that's how you make me feel Though I'm with you I am far away and nothing is
for real I'll go anywhere and do anything just to touch your face There's no
mountain high I cannot climb I'm humbled in your grace Speechless,
speechless, that's how you make me feel Though I'm with you I am lost for
words and nothing is for real Speechless, speechless, that's how you make me
feel Though I'm with you I am far away, and nothing is for real Speechless,
speechless, that's how you make me feel Though I'm with you I am lost for
words and nothing is for real Speechless Your love is magical, that's how I
feel But in your presence I am lost for words Words like, "I love you."
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Post by ishealive Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:10 pm

Savannah wrote:
kdkennedy74 wrote:If the video is truly fake then why not announce to the world instead of just Germany?

I was wondering that also???

Yeah me aswell, it was shown all around the world on youtube & liveleak but only Germany gets to see how it was made. So the rest of the world that are "non-believers" and not from Germany will carry on with doubt in there minds... Hmmmm
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Post by Fountain In Paradise Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:12 pm

This video doesn't change my mind on the hoax in general. But if the German channel really did fake this, it truly hurts my heart that they would play with the minds of grieving MJ fans. Have they no shame???
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Post by EarthAngel90 Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:16 pm

Why just do that people ???!!! I had true hope this was the video that would get us closer .. I hope they know - they are cruel people with no heart whatsoever.
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Post by ballongiraf Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:23 pm

you know.... a tv station makes a hoax video to fool the world "and show how gullible some people are" - and everybody laughs and goes "yeah, that's true".
When MJ returns and reveals his hoax, im telling ya, the very same people will be like "OH NO HE DIDNT! That's unacceptable"........

oh yeah.....
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Post by emanviam Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:23 pm

Exactly. Assh*les...playing with our hearts and our love....

Sad

But I still feel our angel is ALIVE...

I love you Michael...I LOVE YOU VERY, VERY MUCH!!!! I love you So do my friends in this forum...

I love you.
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:47 pm

I agree with mir26 - we have the pieces of the puzzle, this video was just another piece - we just need to piece it all together. Every time we get something we analyse it to pieces until the next clue comes out - now it's time to sort through it all and put it together into 1 coherent story rather than several pieces.
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Post by Rach Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:53 pm

I'm sorry but that did nothing to prove to me that the video is fake.

Ilprincipe is right. If they wanted to make it seems more legit they should have shown us more footage of them actually "making" it, instead of just putting a licence plate on a van.

I still believe Smile
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:57 pm

Ditto Rach - I have yet to watch RTL's expose/confession/whatever it was but from what I've heard so far it sounds like B******s. The video is legit until it is debunked for real.
Someone mentioned above that they were showing how they could have faked it, not how they did fake it. This proves to me that they are just hopping along for the ride and trying to claim credit for someone else's work - or maybe they're trying to lure the original cameraman out.
Whatever they're doing, it hasn't dampened my conviction one whit so onwards we go, let's piece it together, we've got a barrage of information thrown at us in the past few days, we have to sort it out and put it all together.
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Post by Rach Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:59 pm

Oh good thinking about trying to lure the original cameraman out. I never thought of that before!!!

Whatever their reason, it's just another sad case of someone wanting their 15 mins and a bit of exposure No
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Post by ballongiraf Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:01 pm

i think the most interesting thing about this video is that the Jackson family hasnt reacted to it. It's been all over the internet and shown on tv for 2 days now, and no reaction? IF he truly is dead, one would think the family would
1: have their lawyers/spokesperson make a statement
2: file a lawsuit for emotional stress or something...

eh?
But no. They just stay silent?

Anyway, another thing i dont get about this RTL thing is: if they truly made the video as a prank, why on earth is the relevation, the "this is how and why we did it" limited to a 5 minute show in GERMAN? One would think that they'd want the entire world to know about this, given the amount of time, money and effort they've put into it? Right now, only german fans and those of us able to understand german knows what was said. Doestn that seem kinda... weird?
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:02 pm

Rachel wrote:Oh good thinking about trying to lure the original cameraman out. I never thought of that before!!!

Whatever their reason, it's just another sad case of someone wanting their 15 mins and a bit of exposure No
We still don't know who the original cameraman - the heavy breather - is, he's anonymous and they haven't managed to dig up his identity yet.

It's pathetic isn't it, this little German tv station or rag mag or whatever trying to up their ratings by hanging onto somebody else's fame/work. Perhaps they want to get the kind of hits that TMZ got from breaking the original story on June 25th.
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Post by ilprincipe Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:03 pm

They didn't mention why the cameraman was breathing so audible...

I don't thinkt they just had to take one shot and it was fine..

I wanna see OUTTAKES!

Where are they?

and i'm not sure if there's any footage on the web...
before the report was shown...
the announcer (Nazan Eckes) seemed very nervous...like under pressure...
I watched more of her in the past...
she never seemed that nervous to me like today....
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:04 pm

@ballon - Rofl, the Jackson family have stayed silent on everything after the first month. They must know about our existence and the belief in the hoax - yet we don't hear a single peep out of them - although they were happy to start all those sensationalist interviews about murder and whatnot - plus LaToya saying that she'll go after the murderers herself if the police fail. *snicker* I'm just imagining her doing that.
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:06 pm

ilprincipe wrote:They didn't mention why the cameraman was breathing so audible...

I don't thinkt they just had to take one shot and it was fine..

I wanna see OUTTAKES!

Where are they?

and i'm not sure if there's any footage on the web...
before the report was shown...
the announcer (Nazan Eckes) seemed very nervous...like under pressure...
I watched more of her in the past...
she never seemed that nervous to me like today....
That's because she knows she's b******s-ing big time and if it came to light that they were lying and claiming to have created this video when they haven't - her career will be in tatters. There is no way she would look credible after breaking a story like that.
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Post by ilprincipe Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:10 pm

It felt like publishing this vid, was a mission to stop all speculations.....
but who's the opponent of the believers?
For whom are we dangerous?
I thought for everyone outside this belief we would be crazy..
and you can't take us serious...

So why need to convince the population all over the world, that these
believers are kid themselves?
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Post by Human_nature Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:45 pm

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !


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Post by Silence Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:10 am

Human_nature wrote:I have enough to believe they really made this video. Now I'm sick about them. Michael loved Germany and it's what they return to him and his fans ...it's pathetic. They seems so proud of their fu****g thing ..I really hate them. Mad

Now, I don't feel good, I'm so angry you can't imagine how , really, no joke. Mad

LAPD received alot of email and I guess many phone calls about this video. Hope they will sue them for that !!!! Twisted Evil

why ? all they did was putting a video up saying "michael jackson alive after helicopter transport". it's exactly the same thing with the helicopter video and all the other "proof" videos on the net and even the "i have seen michael alive videos", cascet pictures and so on.

you will have to get used to videos of this kind because there are a thousand more to come from people who want to fool the world.

it's got nothing to do with a certain country.

please folks, don't be so naive to

1) believe mj corresponds to us through media, murray, or left ANY hints. there are none
2) believe the world out there is respectful because it's not

I still believe MJ is dead because there is not one single hint or proof for the opposite. I wish there was but we all only MAKE them hints because we WANT there to be some.

The truth is that he went on June 25th................. and will never be back
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Post by Human_nature Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:32 am

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !


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Post by Human_nature Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:33 am

oh and telling people they are naive it's just rude.

Are you so smart Silence ??? Rolling Eyes
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:34 am

Silence wrote:
Human_nature wrote:I have enough to believe they really made this video. Now I'm sick about them. Michael loved Germany and it's what they return to him and his fans ...it's pathetic. They seems so proud of their fu****g thing ..I really hate them. Mad

Now, I don't feel good, I'm so angry you can't imagine how , really, no joke. Mad

LAPD received alot of email and I guess many phone calls about this video. Hope they will sue them for that !!!! Twisted Evil

why ? all they did was putting a video up saying "michael jackson alive after helicopter transport". it's exactly the same thing with the helicopter video and all the other "proof" videos on the net and even the "i have seen michael alive videos", cascet pictures and so on.

you will have to get used to videos of this kind because there are a thousand more to come from people who want to fool the world.

it's got nothing to do with a certain country.

please folks, don't be so naive to

1) believe mj corresponds to us through media, murray, or left ANY hints. there are none
2) believe the world out there is respectful because it's not

I still believe MJ is dead because there is not one single hint or proof for the opposite. I wish there was but we all only MAKE them hints because we WANT there to be some.

The truth is that he went on June 25th................. and will never be back
So what are you doing on a Hoax site where the majority of members think that he's alive?
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Post by CantlivewithoutMJ Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:41 am

Silence wrote:
Human_nature wrote:I have enough to believe they really made this video. Now I'm sick about them. Michael loved Germany and it's what they return to him and his fans ...it's pathetic. They seems so proud of their fu****g thing ..I really hate them. Mad

Now, I don't feel good, I'm so angry you can't imagine how , really, no joke. Mad

LAPD received alot of email and I guess many phone calls about this video. Hope they will sue them for that !!!! Twisted Evil

why ? all they did was putting a video up saying "michael jackson alive after helicopter transport". it's exactly the same thing with the helicopter video and all the other "proof" videos on the net and even the "i have seen michael alive videos", cascet pictures and so on.

you will have to get used to videos of this kind because there are a thousand more to come from people who want to fool the world.

it's got nothing to do with a certain country.

please folks, don't be so naive to

1) believe mj corresponds to us through media, murray, or left ANY hints. there are none
2) believe the world out there is respectful because it's not

I still believe MJ is dead because there is not one single hint or proof for the opposite. I wish there was but we all only MAKE them hints because we WANT there to be some.

The truth is that he went on June 25th................. and will never be back


What,dont talk like that.I hate it.
What are you doing here then??
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Post by just_friend Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:48 am

Well, my point to the German TV revelation! This is just MEDIA!!! DO WE BELIEVE THE MEDIA???

why does this small german vid make you sad???

Keep the Faith!
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Post by PinkLizard Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:54 am

If they made it they need to prove it! Without a doubt! Until then nothing has changed.

@silence - maybe it is time for you to move on. I'm really happy for you that you've made your peace with the conclusion that you have come to but for those of us who are either still searching, or believe the opposite to you, your comments are hurtful. This is a site looking into the HOAX of Michael Jackson, not the death of Michael Jackson. I wish you all the best for the future and hope we can 'shake hands' when the truth finally prevails Smile xoxo
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Post by Guest Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:55 am

SICK MINDED PEOPLE. Mad Mad Mad

I had a very stong reaction, when I found out, that it was another piece of BS.
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Post by Guest Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:59 am

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
Silence wrote:
Human_nature wrote:I have enough to believe they really made this video. Now I'm sick about them. Michael loved Germany and it's what they return to him and his fans ...it's pathetic. They seems so proud of their fu****g thing ..I really hate them. Mad

Now, I don't feel good, I'm so angry you can't imagine how , really, no joke. Mad

LAPD received alot of email and I guess many phone calls about this video. Hope they will sue them for that !!!! Twisted Evil

why ? all they did was putting a video up saying "michael jackson alive after helicopter transport". it's exactly the same thing with the helicopter video and all the other "proof" videos on the net and even the "i have seen michael alive videos", cascet pictures and so on.

you will have to get used to videos of this kind because there are a thousand more to come from people who want to fool the world.

it's got nothing to do with a certain country.

please folks, don't be so naive to

1) believe mj corresponds to us through media, murray, or left ANY hints. there are none
2) believe the world out there is respectful because it's not

I still believe MJ is dead because there is not one single hint or proof for the opposite. I wish there was but we all only MAKE them hints because we WANT there to be some.

The truth is that he went on June 25th................. and will never be back
So what are you doing on a Hoax site where the majority of members think that he's alive?



How do you know that to be true??

Even his own family doesent know. They already "lost" Mike several times. Mabye im beeing selfish, but I dont need this. If you believe he is dead, what are you doing on this site???

This is the 21st centuary, EVERYTHING is possible today, with the right connections, and a huge amount of money. Wich Michael deffently have.

If he wants to be in peace for the rest of his life, I could not be happier for him, but I need to know for sure that he is safe.
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Post by yaya Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:06 am

i kind of agree. if people think michael is dead they shouldn't be on the site. the last thing we need is for this site to turn into another MJHD with all the negativity.
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:12 am

[quote="MyBelovedMJ"]
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
Silence wrote:
Human_nature wrote:
The truth is that he went on June 25th................. and will never be back
So what are you doing on a Hoax site where the majority of members think that he's alive?

How do you know that to be true??

Even his own family doesent know. They already "lost" Mike several times. Mabye im beeing selfish, but I dont need this. If you believe he is dead, what are you doing on this site???

This is the 21st centuary, EVERYTHING is possible today, with the right connections, and a huge amount of money. Wich Michael deffently have.

If he wants to be in peace for the rest of his life, I could not be happier for him, but I need to know for sure that he is safe.

MBMJ - Are you talking to me or 'Silence' there?
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Post by MJJ Love Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:18 am

Human_nature wrote:
Silence wrote:
Human_nature wrote:I have enough to believe they really made this video. Now I'm sick about them. Michael loved Germany and it's what they return to him and his fans ...it's pathetic. They seems so proud of their fu****g thing ..I really hate them. Mad

Now, I don't feel good, I'm so angry you can't imagine how , really, no joke. Mad

LAPD received alot of email and I guess many phone calls about this video. Hope they will sue them for that !!!! Twisted Evil

why ? all they did was putting a video up saying "michael jackson alive after helicopter transport". it's exactly the same thing with the helicopter video and all the other "proof" videos on the net and even the "i have seen michael alive videos", cascet pictures and so on.

you will have to get used to videos of this kind because there are a thousand more to come from people who want to fool the world.

it's got nothing to do with a certain country.

please folks, don't be so naive to

1) believe mj corresponds to us through media, murray, or left ANY hints. there are none
2) believe the world out there is respectful because it's not

I still believe MJ is dead because there is not one single hint or proof for the opposite. I wish there was but we all only MAKE them hints because we WANT there to be some.

The truth is that he went on June 25th................. and will never be back

Silence, I will just tell you something now, each time you replied to my post or many other members here , you're always SO negative, it's unbelievable. I never told you before because I didn't want start any war here, but now, I just have enough.

Now, I think when you make something stupid like that, the video, and people start to call and write to LAPD to know if it's true, they take time of those people who work to solve murders, save people ect...
it's like calling 911 to make a prank, it's illegal.

So now, you think he's gone and never be back, great, it's your opinion and I respect that, but can you respect other people too sometimes here ?

nuff said...

Very welll said Human Nature.
We don't need anyone on here telling us negative things. No one else's opinion will change what I think or believe anyway. Until there is actual proof that MJ has passed away, then I will continue to believe there may be a HUGE possibility that THE KING OF POP is still with us
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