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Post by lifting the veil on Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:39 pm

Last night someone asked for those postings Empathy made on the other forum and since I saved all of them, I am going to re-post them here again.




Hello I really felt I had to contribute here because I have done quite a lot of work regarding Michael and trying to understand what happened to him. Im not here to create any controversy but I wanted to leave with you my findings that I have so far posted on my blogger.

Firstly, I write for missing children – that is my primary aim – reading tarot to see if there is any information I can give. Some of the information I have given has been quite accurate and as you can guess some has not. One can never tell. Tarot gives past present and future which is all explained on my blogger so all I can do is write down what I get and never quite know where in time the prediction comes through. What I dont like to do is disrespect and for that reason I try to be careful what I do write as I consider it a responsibility.
I am not convinced about the channeller that I saw on the psychic thread but thats my personal opinion and as you all dont know me I dont expect you to really take anything I say for granted. Why I am here is because I have had definate tarot findings on Michael. I receive from Michael that he is connected to TWO WORLDS. I am not fully sure yet exactly why I have been given this but I try not to poke around too often. I dont think its right. Some time has to be left in between trying to look for information and Im in a time gap at the moment. I will be looking again in the future.
What I have written on my blogger is two sets of tarot. Uncannily, the first set of tarot I wrote was in March 2009. I had absolutely no idea we would all be rocked to the core with Michaels death, but I did see a TOWER card. At the time I saw everything folding at his feet. A total break from everything that was. The dates on my blogger are genuine and accurate they come from my proboard forum which records the time and date of printing. There is a link in the margin on the blogger to get there if anyone requires proof that I am genuine about when I posted things.
I have been asked a lot of times is Michael Alive. If I was to answer you truthfully from the bottom of my heart – I dont get a yes and I dont get a no. What I have been told is to WAIT. I dont know what that means but Im telling you because that is what I have received. I am quite willing to write what I am given here for you to read. What I wont do is look for locations and do or say anything that would create any upset for the family. If I did that then I am disrespectful not only to my art but to myself by compromising the good I try to do. Many fans want to know where Michael is – they would be willing to pose as anyone to find that out – but the answer will never come from me. There have been ideas that have sprung to my mind but I have had further confirmation that those confirmations are not true. Tarot has picked up a lot of what other people are saying and thrown it back at me.
Michael Jackson could not exist as who he was. It was an impossibility. He was an icon shut into a very small world – by giving to the public – his life became very small. What I would say to any other psychic is RESPECT him. Stop cashing in on him and get your respect BACK. No worthy genuine loving psychic would ever sit there and say anything unless they were sure it was true. There is no Guarantee that what spirit gives us is true. All we can do is write things down and wait for reports to either confirm or deny what we say.
In one of my tarots I wrote about Writing on the Wall. I did,nt know what that meant, but read an article which I would have to find but think was on the Michael Jackson Fan club saying that in one of the bedrooms Michael left notes all over the wall. If this is anyway true, then those notes have to be read – hence – writing on the wall in tarot.
I have worked voluntarily for missing children for some time. I have also done free personal readings for over a year and a half on my forum and the David Icke forum which were put there to show that I have nothing to hide and am genuine. Not many people would do that if they did not believe they were capable of working with tarot. I now have a blogger that deals with personal readings. What I dont want you to do is consider what Im saying as an advert. In fact you may ask me a question completely free. Dont go to my blogger for a reading because I wish to prove to you that my heart is not about money – come to me for nothing – because this is the only way I can prove to you that you must leave Michael Jackson to your memory for the time being. In my heart Michael Jackson is who he says he is – PETER PAN – when he told you all he was Peter Pan, he actually meant it and I believe him dont you?

Here is a link to my blogger tarot. The first tarot tells you in so many words that he was never going to do those concerts and he was never going to be able to cultivate the same greatness again – by this I meant on STAGE – this is not what Michael wanted. Dont ever blame this man for paedophile tendencies – I can categorically tell you that it is ultimately false. Tarot does,nt lie whether people believe it or they dont. I grew up every inch of the way alongside Michaels era – we were the same age and there are many things I could tell you that are more than sheer coincidence. But this is not about me, its about him and its about YOUR love for him. I have never seen so much love – love is everything – by showing love you have created the essence of what Michael Jackson was all about.

My first reading for Michael
http://empathyinsights.blogspo…..eople.html
My second readings for Michael.
http://empathyinsights.blogspo…..art-2.html

I hope it is of interest to you. I will print my further readings if you would like me too. I understand many people do not believe in this kind of thing and I understand and appreciate that. Thank you for allowing me to take part in the forum.

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I will share with you an ICHING I had for Michael. This Iching accurately describes Michaels situation. You will see from the following what I Ching has told us. There were people who were not prepared to leave him alone. He loved children and he was prepared to stand up to what he felt and what he believed. He thought of it INNOCENTLY – but there were those who still harboured grudges and resentments against him and were determined to attempt to bring about his downfall. What Michaels aim would be even now is to get those allegations REMOVED once and for all. If that is the case then the finger is pointed at people in authoratative positions who are determining that he is still guilty of the charges against him. Though he was acquitted via his trial there are some who are still ignoring the law of the country and determining that the allegations are true. Michael in this message shows who he is with his singing and his dancing. A profound message to all without question proving his identity – and showing that he wants the allegations to be refuted in a more positive way. He was considered irresponsible – why? Because he liked the company of children – he sees no wrong in this because in his heart he is following the laws of the universe and of the word Love. People today confuse the word love with sex – he said so himself – but he knew what other people thought and could do nothing about it. There are those out there who know who they are – who know they are still defaming him. The past is dead – it is written here – tomorrow is yet to come.

What does he mean by that? – I think his message is to grow that Love – love beats hate – hate cannot survive in a sea of love and I see this entire situation as a call to everyone to bring LOVE into the universe simultaneously – because there is clearly some kind of energy force that is required at this time.

The Iching message was a later message but I will look now to see what was earlier and post for you.

Empathy.

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Hexagram #58 – The Piper

58 – The Piper – Song – A Crystal Lake

The Piper sings his song and marches round, lifting the people with the simple joy of his music. Now is the time to be happy, to sing and to dance. By doing so, we will forget that we even had troubles in the first place. The past is dead, tomorrow is yet a dream, today we must make merry! The wise man chants an inspiring tune, raising peoples hearts and raising their morale.

2nd – The Piper Marches – Marching forth with confidence, the people follow his lead and dance in the streets. The wise man leads by creating happiness in the hearts of others.

Hexagram #17 – The Leader

17 – The Leader – Following – Thunder in the Lake

A leader is one who has the trust of his followers and executes directives as a function of the people. Leaders will come in different forms at different times. The king sits at the top of a pyramid, issuing ultimatums. While the chief sits at the start and end point of a circle, and is regarded as a first among equals. Now is the time to seek out the confident leader either within or without and follow their command to victory.

2nd – Rejecting the Leader – He refuses responsibility and prefers to run in the forest with his childhood friends. Rejecting the adult and serving the child is a joyous way to live, but does not get much done in terms of practical matters. We should understand this and make our choices carefully.
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Post by lifting the veil on Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:43 pm

Here is another profound message from Michael from Angel Cards. Those that can understand this kind of reading will understand a great deal from it. I have promised earlier postings but found this as I was looking for them. Michael Jackson IS a Rebel. Make no mistake about this – but a rebel for a cause. What comes from this situation with Michael may change world thinking – it will have a profound effect from a lot of people and it is not going to go away. In some ways I actually find that amusing – because Michael WILL HAVE HIS DAY – he will and that much is very obvious. He can have his day through you, through us – he has risen from this hypocrisy to prove beyond doubt that he has magnetism – he is the above the law – because love is above the Law -you cant contain love and you cant contain Michael. Michael shows us he cannot be contained no matter how 'they' try – he is Peter Pan – Its time to believe this extraordinary declaration – you cant 'kill' Michael Jackson – you can try – and you can try again – but it wont work. Michael shows us this in this card below.



WHAT DO YOU WANT TO TELL ME.

People are afraid, very much afraid of those who know themselves. They have a certain power, a certain aura and a certain magnetism, a charisma that can take out alive, young people from the traditional imprisonment….

The enlightened man cannot be enslaved – that is the difficulty – and he cannot be imprisoned…. Every genius who has known something of the inner is bound to be a little difficult to be absorbed; he is going to be an upsetting force. The masses don't want to be disturbed, even though they may be in misery; they are in misery, but they are accustomed to the misery. And anybody who is not miserable looks like a stranger.

The enlightened man is the greatest stranger in the world; he does not seem to belong to anybody. No organization confines him, no community, no society, no nation.

Freedom from Oneself

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The powerful and authoritative figure in this card is clearly the master of his own destiny. On his shoulder is an emblem of the sun, and the torch he holds in his right hand symbolizes the light of his own hard-won truth.

Whether he is wealthy or poor, the Rebel is really an emperor because he has broken the chains of society's repressive conditioning and opinions. He has formed himself by embracing all the colors of the rainbow, emerging from the dark and formless roots of his unconscious past and growing wings to fly into the sky. His very way of being is rebellious – not because he is fighting against anybody or anything, but because he has discovered his own true nature and is determined to live in accordance with it. The eagle is his spirit animal, a messenger between earth and sky.

The Rebel challenges us to be courageous enough to take responsibility for who we are and to live our truth.

EMPATHY
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Post by lifting the veil on Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:45 pm

Here are more postings from my hidden thread for Michael. These I am allowed to post.

Below I think Michael was cross about the messing around that happened regarding his children. He was fed up with the postponements and the 'carry on' he wanted to get it all sorted out pretty quickly. He indicates that 'looking through the window' ie., he can SEE whats going on with them, – that he is aware of everything regarding them and custody. I see this message as very strong and actually with a little irritation from him which Im sure you will agree. Its quite clear to me anyway. Take no notice of the gender of the card ie. WOMAN, its figurative meaning maternal feelings which Michael has towards his children. I will post more findings over the next while.


Are you happy about the arrangements for your children?

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Postponement is simply stupid. Tomorrow you will also have to decide, so why not today? And do you think that tomorrow you will be wiser than today? Do you think that tomorrow you will be livelier than today? Do you think that tomorrow you will be younger than today, fresher than today? Tomorrow you will be older, your courage will be less; tomorrow you will be more experienced, your cunningness will be more; tomorrow death will come closer–you will start wavering and being more afraid. Never postpone for the tomorrow. And who knows? Tomorrow may come or may not come. If you have to decide you have to decide right now. Dr. Vogel, the dentist, finished his examination on a pretty young patient. “Miss Baseman,” he said, “I'm afraid I'm going to have to pull out your wisdom teeth!” “Oh, my!” exclaimed the girl. “I'd rather have a baby!” “Well,” said Dr. Vogel, “could you make up your mind so that I can adjust the chair?” Make up your mind. Don't go on postponing infinitely.

The woman in this picture is living in a gray landscape, full of unreal, cut-out clouds. Through the window frame she can see colors and light and aliveness, and although she would like to move through the frame–as we can see by the rainbow colors appearing in her garment–she can't quite manage to do it. There is still too much 'what-if?' activity in her mind. Tomorrow never comes, they say, but no matter how often it is said, it seems that most of us tend to forget the truth of it. In fact, the one and only result of postponing things is a dull and depressing feeling of incompletion and 'stuck-ness' today. The relief and expansiveness you will feel once you put aside all the dithering thoughts that are preventing you from acting now will make you wonder why you ever waited so long.

EMPATHY
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Post by lifting the veil on Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:47 pm

OOPS I double posted. So I will just say thank you for the nice comments in this post because I am happy there is so much good on this board. I do have other posts Im just looking for them and will post them up. This is from July but there are others previously just getting around to them.

This card below is the card of the Fool. The Fool has no number he is the 0 in the pack He is the 'tourist' in the pack too. The question I asked is self explanatory – Im not sure I need to write more on this but you can let me know .

Michael explained to me about clinging to the past, I was not sure if it was people who were clinging to the past regarding him – as for what might have been or whether it is himself. To clarify, I asked him if it was him that was clinging to the past. He gave me this answer. I understand it perfectly.

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We have forgotten how to wait; it is almost an abandoned space. And it is our greatest treasure to be able to wait for the right moment. The whole existence waits for the right moment. Even trees know it–when it is time to bring the flowers and when it is time to let go of all the leaves and stand naked against the sky. They are still beautiful in that nakedness, waiting for the new foliage with a great trust that the old has gone, and the new will soon be coming, and the new leaves will start growing. We have forgotten to wait, we want everything in a hurry. It is a great loss to humanity…. In silence and waiting something inside you goes on growing–your authentic being. And one day it jumps and becomes a flame, and your whole personality is shattered; you are a new man. And this new man knows what ceremony is, this new man knows life's eternal juices.

There are times when the only thing to do is to wait. The seed has been planted, the child is growing in the womb, the oyster is coating the grain of sand and making it into a pearl. This card reminds us that now is a time when all that is required is to be simply alert, patient, waiting. The woman pictured here is in just such an attitude. Contented, with no trace of anxiety, she is simply waiting. Through all the phases of the moon passing overhead she remains patient, so in tune with the rhythms of the moon that she has almost become one with it. She knows it is a time to be passive, letting nature take its course. But she is neither sleepy nor indifferent; she knows it is time to be ready for something momentous. It is a time full of mystery, like the hours just before the dawn. It is a time when the only thing to do is to wait.
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This is the picture I have consulted for my meditations with Tarot. With this picture Michael does not always want to communicate if I probe. I just think that what he gives has to come freely and I always know if I have become tiring or exhausting the tarot or whatever divination method is used. He tells me loads of people are contacting him – he says Im one of them and recognises that and so do I. I am not a special person in this and do not claim to be only giving what he has allowed me to say.

I have asked direct questions through various methods and I will leave them for you all to make up your own minds. I wont ever step on one side or the other of the burning questions because whatever I said only creates a problem both ways. If he has died then we will be increasing our grief and if he is alive we will allow certain people to hunt him down again. So far my readings have all expressed a wish to be free of that – and thats why its important that a space is created of MAYBE for him – that MAYBE space has to be laced with barbed wire for protection. Love is protecting someone at all costs always and forever like we would protect our children – so we must also use that barbed wire approach with our decision regarding him. Im going to show you something very interesting now and here it is. Look at the two pictures below – you see the man on the left at the 02 and you then see the card on the right? Should I say more or do you understand? Here below are my thoughts – I wrote this to myself to produce to my forum at a later date. I did not produce it but the post is 100 per cent genuine and now I will have to produce it and it will be found on there.

I wrote below the thoughts that came to me and what I received from the tarot. I cannot absolutely say I am right I am struggling with this because I as a person do not know I can only go by what I received. Tarot is not designed to injure or harm or insult or humiliate or create controversary or worry or pain. But Michael lives on in some form – he either is an enormously strong spirit or he is where he can be safe from all. Because of the power of the post below I am asking you to think very hard about what you feel inside – do not assume that Michael is alive because tarot has pointed out some things – tarot might be misinterpreted if that is the case then I know I am right to stand back on this and I will stand back for the sake of this man who needs some genuine peace in his life. Only people with a heart can understand how important it is to just read, digest and FORGET this too because sometimes we have to do that. I have to do that, you have to do that, we have to do that…its our duty . I dont know if this tarot will be true or not or whether someone will replace the great Michael but I write as I find. Please forgive me if what I write is wrong if I am wrong I have to accept that. There does appear to be two Michaels in this tarot.Embarassed This I think was the earliest I could bear to look at reading for Michael. I am not 100 per cent accurate so I cannot explain everything that is here I have just done my best to write it out and thats all I can do. It is picking up PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE please understand that – what might be thought, what might be the case and what could be the case.

You can see how disturbed I was as I have not yet put this on the forum but of course must do so today as I have shared it with you all. I dont know if I have done the right thing or not. If any of it is true – you all know what to do – STAND BACK – if it is not the case and I have misinterpreted things – then KEEP HIS WORD ALIVE and I will print up the WAKE UP CALL FOR YOU.

The following was a conversation to 'myself' for later viewing for my forum so its addressed to them. I have kept TWO posts back I cant let you see them.

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You all know that I have written tarot for Michael Jackson. I was quite stunned when he just 'died'. In fact I was thrown into confusion with this. For some reason which I could,nt explain I felt very unbalanced.

When I looked into the tarot I had messages there that I could not say. I felt like I should not say and I could,nt write them. I felt as if I wrote them at the time I was actually betraying the voice of tarot and by writing them it was a definate force of ego because it was so easy to write there and then what I had seen but it was wrong. Because it was wrong to do this I did,nt.

Looking at the date of this post – it is nearly 3 weeks that Michael 'died'. Tarot told me Michael would 'return in 7 days'. I wrote that down because number 7 is important.

I was being given a parallel to jesus – a wake up call – which I did write in posts here because that is what I felt – nothing I can do about that. It was there.

I had such a problem with what I had seen that I had conversations with tarot only to show me happiness and love after a terrible catastrophe. A property that was being built or had been built – a home if you like with garlands at the gate which came to me in the FOUR OF WANDS. Here is the four of Wands.

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This card to all tarologists is the 'THE LORD OF PERFECTED WORK' which tells us that someone should sit back and enjoy the rewards of their labour. It suggests family bonds – reunion and homecoming and 'ships coming in' – this would suggest that inception of action and energy produces good results.

Working through the tarot and the runes and the ICHING.

With I Ching I saw a cup of tea, a drink – something taken – I saw the night time and a very swift car – a journey and travel I also was given GRACE in the ICHING. I was also given a Ghost living a second life – the life of the first – strange because in tarot I had an ending an a rebirth. We have often associatiated cloning with that. So a second Michael?

Looking at the runes – I was given a 'prick from something' the Ice Thorn – which appeared to suggest an injection. Therefore Injections would be associated with Michael. However, again I was given Runes for Travel – RAIDO –

There were many strange clues in the readings I was given the difficulty of them all was that my readings showed this 'death' but with a rebirth.

At this point I had a realisation of our Peter Pan. That realisation is what you see at the top of this post. The picture of 'Michael' at the 02, which is not Michael and I have the Magician Card.

In my heart Michael Jackson – is the Magician.

Michael has someone he loves very much. He has a love affair/partnership or someone very very close. With that person there appears to be a happiness. I feel Michael Jackson was treated in the most disgusting way.

Michael Jackson is not a revengeful person – but he is an 'imp' he is an extremely creative force – the magnitude of Michael Jacksons creativity knows no bounds.

Receiving the Magician and I was taken by the beautiful card and the measure of it I saw the strength and the purpose – the invoking of heaven down to earth – the serpent circle on the belt and the CIRCLE which Michael made so often in his gestures wrapping his finger around his thumb to make an 0. I thought of 02.

Michaels number in the Magician is 1. Number one. The beginning of a journey, the beginning of the journey of tarot.

On the Magician is the number 8 sideways – Number 8 is a musical number and it is actually Elvis's number too.

I saw the 'brother' who was mentioned in tarot and realised that this was Brother Michael Mr Amin his personal assistant.

It was Brother Michael who called the ambulance for Michael. Brother Michael told us he had a 'gentleman' there who was not breathing. He did not say MICHAEL.

Michael is a legend. Michael knows the press have lied about him.
Michael was PETER PAN. Peter Pan lives forever.

Peter Pan NEVER took his own life. Peter Pan was not killed.

And so you see – I have three years in my head.

Tie a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree its been three long years do you still want me
If I dont see a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree
I,ll stay on the bus, forget about us, put the blame on me
if I dont see a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree.

The Runes gave me a tree that does,nt die. I thought about whether I was told the Money tree would,nt die. I was struggling hard with all my thoughts because one cancelled out the other because I knew death and rebirth leaves you right in the middle and thats where we have been.

I was told not to press the matter further. I wondered why- its not something a tarologist can just accept without that question.
I continued to look at the tarot and got South and East for direction as to where Michael was – Southeast. Somewhere wooded and peaceful. Somewhere with Collumns. I did think of the cemetary but I still had it somewhere that there was a property rebuilt or being rebuilt. Sometime afterwards I read that Neverland was being reconstructed by those who had shares in it.

Overall the images I have had have been mass confusion because they did not seem to confirm to me that Michael Jackson – the real Michael Jackson had died.

I have said I am not an ardent fan. Im not the type to stand on street corners for idols not at my age and I dont put up posters but I knew there was something profound about Michael Jackson from the very beginning. He was a master of his art – MAGICIAN.
As a Magician and as a Peter Pan I did say I wanted in my heart for him to have opted out. None of my cards have told anyone here that he is dead – have they?

But Michaels 'death' promoted my post Michael Jackson – Wake up Call. You will have read that – it has the essense of what Michael was trying to say and do in society. He is not Jesus but he serves us with a message.

DO NOT JUDGE ME.

Jesus was ressurrected – in three days.

Michael Jackson could very well be ressurrected in THREE YEARS -

So should I say Michael Jackson is alive – ? ***

I will produce this post in the future. I will also try to keep some tarot information here to produce with it as time goes along but the time is not now because 'in tarot' Michael told me not to say what clarities have come to me. Im not going to betray him – and I wont. Its a promise between the kindred minds – he understood the occult – he was psychic – he was a seventh child – think about the veil.

Michael has the ability to bring religion home to people in a very big way – not named religion but the basiscs of human decency.
I will sit back now and watch his work unfold – he is a genius and perhaps he can show the world what MONEY CAN DO TO PEOPLE – because he knows about the vultures at the pot.

Hes watching them.
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Post by lifting the veil on Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:53 pm

Ive constantly gone back to look at the Sabian and work I have done on Michael sometimes sitting up very late and the impression I have for him is earth and spiritual values – he seems to be between the two. If you ask where someone is and they appear to be between these two levels one could feel that perhaps he is in a coma. That is what struck me. But what exactly is a coma? its a sleep state as far as we would be concerned.

Tarot is so symbolic that it could suggest someone living a life but a life outside of a life – almost like they dont exist. In other words, they do exist but to others they dont exist.

I looked at Sabian and I know that it is very easy to misinterpret everything and the ICHING especially when I know I dont specialise in these subjects. However the feeling I got was the necessity to 'put things in place' because Michael was unable to cope – but there seemed so many messages which I could,nt link together. I wondered if they were seperate.

I seemed to understand about a meal he had with the family. The father seemed to take the lead and I felt that perhaps some decisions might have been made to help Michael.

I cant put words into the meanings of what I received but can only hope to surmise that what I feel might be what it is telling me.

I had something about learning to live without the children – this was briefly touched on in the original March tarot – I have not been able to decide whether something came up regarding the children and it was suggested that he could not cope alone with them. There was also another child mentioned but for some reason I thought it was a baby he was going to adopt. It may be all that has happened as I know this was in the press.

But – I feel as though there was something powerful going on between two people. Perhaps only two people know the real truth here about Michael.

Michael kept himself away from his family but for reasons of his own. He seemed to have had some kind of message on the day that he 'died'' – at least thats what I seem to gather – a message that came as some sort of shock or surprise but in tarot I had seen a mailman – so its someone who brings some news or something with them. Thats what mailmen do, they deliver packages or letters – the mailman in the tarot might be a phone call even but either way it is some form of message.

I then seemed to see some rapid action and a rapid journey. All of which I have said could relate to Michael and the Doctor and then the 911 call. But I have nagging feelings about it all. I feel some sence of unease – I feel it because I dont think people are supposed to know the true happenings.

The money to be made is money coming home for harvest. It is all Michael lost and more. He will recoup everything that he has lost.

He described Neverland as a place for black and white children to play – he has a moral stance about innocence in this and I believe that. He does confirm it is a strong factor to what happened to him and I think that is an affirmation we all know by now.

I have had something about Bahrain. I did,nt know that the place that Michael visited there had a monument of a shark in the ocean. Its like a statue and a landmark yet I saw this in the tarot in March. I was shocked to see this and understand that the connection was there.

On the one hand I felt I was a stalker asking about Michael and on the other hand I wondered if he had a stalker so it was mixed feelings here.

I have always loved the Jacksons – but I am torn right in the middle of whether or not they themselves have his best interests at heart.

So much seems to have been planned in advance of Michaels comeback. His brothers doing taped shows in advance and his father ready to talk about a record company and all the other many things .

Are they doing this to protect Michael and take the heat off him or are they cashing in on Michaels death. If they were cashing in on Michaels death, then why would they have prepared things earlier in the year for themselves?

So part of me feels perhaps they 'knew' about Michaels 'death' in advance. However if any of the insights are correct it means a huge sacrifice for Michaels long awaited privacy. It would mean he would need to be out of sight for 3 years. It would not explain why the public were told his children believe him dead.

But sabian tells me that Michael is close to his daughter. One cannot know exactly whether that is in actuality or not as he is not alive according to reports. Or perhaps sabian tells us that this is his condition that he feels in spirit.

Michael either has a very strong spirit or he is in fact alive. There is no question of this. But to be responsible is not to suggest this.
If one suggests this then one betrays Michael in two ways.

One if he is alive – he will be forever sought. – Two if he is dead then it is spreading gossip about him and being as low as the individuals that defamed him in the first place.

Michael Jackson was not going to be allowed to go out there and perform – it was either himself that could not do it, or others that felt it was not in his healths best interest.

It think of Michael as a strong man mentally. He is the epitome of the eulogy that when the body fails the brain still works.
Michael to me is alive – whether this is wishful thinking or not is by the by. When I read sabian it points to a passage in a book.
What the passage is I dont know – but it is to look at the detail and discard the rest – also to look at a signature.

Many years ago I read Moonwalker and in Moonwalker Michael has 1998 and a dropped line and star on the end. It is the same symbol that is next to his everyday signature. This means something though I am not sure of what. I thought at the time that he had predicted his death or downfall in 1998.

Whatever the things i have seen – I dont feel it is right or fair to comment on Michael at the current time. For me to feel this way then it has to be a plea of protection. If there were foul play in this surely I would have seen that and not hesitated to seek justice for him – but I will continue to look as what I see is Michael Jackson balanced between earth and spiritual – and that is a very interesting scenario and brings me back to the card of the Majician and the symbol above his head.
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This is the picture I have consulted for my meditations with Tarot. With this picture Michael does not always want to communicate if I probe. I just think that what he gives has to come freely and I always know if I have become tiring or exhausting the tarot or whatever divination method is used. He tells me loads of people are contacting him – he says Im one of them and recognises that and so do I. I am not a special person in this and do not claim to be only giving what he has allowed me to say.

I have asked direct questions through various methods and I will leave them for you all to make up your own minds. I wont ever step on one side or the other of the burning questions because whatever I said only creates a problem both ways. If he has died then we will be increasing our grief and if he is alive we will allow certain people to hunt him down again. So far my readings have all expressed a wish to be free of that – and thats why its important that a space is created of MAYBE for him – that MAYBE space has to be laced with barbed wire for protection. Love is protecting someone at all costs always and forever like we would protect our children – so we must also use that barbed wire approach with our decision regarding him. Im going to show you something very interesting now and here it is. Look at the two pictures below – you see the man on the left at the 02 and you then see the card on the right? Should I say more or do you understand? Here below are my thoughts – I wrote this to myself to produce to my forum at a later date. I did not produce it but the post is 100 per cent genuine and now I will have to produce it and it will be found on there.

I wrote below the thoughts that came to me and what I received from the tarot. I cannot absolutely say I am right I am struggling with this because I as a person do not know I can only go by what I received. Tarot is not designed to injure or harm or insult or humiliate or create controversary or worry or pain. But Michael lives on in some form – he either is an enormously strong spirit or he is where he can be safe from all. Because of the power of the post below I am asking you to think very hard about what you feel inside – do not assume that Michael is alive because tarot has pointed out some things – tarot might be misinterpreted if that is the case then I know I am right to stand back on this and I will stand back for the sake of this man who needs some genuine peace in his life. Only people with a heart can understand how important it is to just read, digest and FORGET this too because sometimes we have to do that. I have to do that, you have to do that, we have to do that…its our duty . I dont know if this tarot will be true or not or whether someone will replace the great Michael but I write as I find. Please forgive me if what I write is wrong if I am wrong I have to accept that. There does appear to be two Michaels in this tarot.Embarassed This I think was the earliest I could bear to look at reading for Michael. I am not 100 per cent accurate so I cannot explain everything that is here I have just done my best to write it out and thats all I can do. It is picking up PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE please understand that – what might be thought, what might be the case and what could be the case.

You can see how disturbed I was as I have not yet put this on the forum but of course must do so today as I have shared it with you all. I dont know if I have done the right thing or not. If any of it is true – you all know what to do – STAND BACK – if it is not the case and I have misinterpreted things – then KEEP HIS WORD ALIVE and I will print up the WAKE UP CALL FOR YOU.

The following was a conversation to 'myself' for later viewing for my forum so its addressed to them. I have kept TWO posts back I cant let you see them.

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You all know that I have written tarot for Michael Jackson. I was quite stunned when he just 'died'. In fact I was thrown into confusion with this. For some reason which I could,nt explain I felt very unbalanced.

When I looked into the tarot I had messages there that I could not say. I felt like I should not say and I could,nt write them. I felt as if I wrote them at the time I was actually betraying the voice of tarot and by writing them it was a definate force of ego because it was so easy to write there and then what I had seen but it was wrong. Because it was wrong to do this I did,nt.

Looking at the date of this post – it is nearly 3 weeks that Michael 'died'. Tarot told me Michael would 'return in 7 days'. I wrote that down because number 7 is important.

I was being given a parallel to jesus – a wake up call – which I did write in posts here because that is what I felt – nothing I can do about that. It was there.

I had such a problem with what I had seen that I had conversations with tarot only to show me happiness and love after a terrible catastrophe. A property that was being built or had been built – a home if you like with garlands at the gate which came to me in the FOUR OF WANDS. Here is the four of Wands.

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This card to all tarologists is the 'THE LORD OF PERFECTED WORK' which tells us that someone should sit back and enjoy the rewards of their labour. It suggests family bonds – reunion and homecoming and 'ships coming in' – this would suggest that inception of action and energy produces good results.

Working through the tarot and the runes and the ICHING.

With I Ching I saw a cup of tea, a drink – something taken – I saw the night time and a very swift car – a journey and travel I also was given GRACE in the ICHING. I was also given a Ghost living a second life – the life of the first – strange because in tarot I had an ending an a rebirth. We have often associatiated cloning with that. So a second Michael?

Looking at the runes – I was given a 'prick from something' the Ice Thorn – which appeared to suggest an injection. Therefore Injections would be associated with Michael. However, again I was given Runes for Travel – RAIDO –

There were many strange clues in the readings I was given the difficulty of them all was that my readings showed this 'death' but with a rebirth.

At this point I had a realisation of our Peter Pan. That realisation is what you see at the top of this post. The picture of 'Michael' at the 02, which is not Michael and I have the Magician Card.

In my heart Michael Jackson – is the Magician.

Michael has someone he loves very much. He has a love affair/partnership or someone very very close. With that person there appears to be a happiness. I feel Michael Jackson was treated in the most disgusting way.

Michael Jackson is not a revengeful person – but he is an 'imp' he is an extremely creative force – the magnitude of Michael Jacksons creativity knows no bounds.

Receiving the Magician and I was taken by the beautiful card and the measure of it I saw the strength and the purpose – the invoking of heaven down to earth – the serpent circle on the belt and the CIRCLE which Michael made so often in his gestures wrapping his finger around his thumb to make an 0. I thought of 02.

Michaels number in the Magician is 1. Number one. The beginning of a journey, the beginning of the journey of tarot.

On the Magician is the number 8 sideways – Number 8 is a musical number and it is actually Elvis's number too.

I saw the 'brother' who was mentioned in tarot and realised that this was Brother Michael Mr Amin his personal assistant.

It was Brother Michael who called the ambulance for Michael. Brother Michael told us he had a 'gentleman' there who was not breathing. He did not say MICHAEL.

Michael is a legend. Michael knows the press have lied about him.
Michael was PETER PAN. Peter Pan lives forever.

Peter Pan NEVER took his own life. Peter Pan was not killed.

And so you see – I have three years in my head.

Tie a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree its been three long years do you still want me
If I dont see a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree
I,ll stay on the bus, forget about us, put the blame on me
if I dont see a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree.

The Runes gave me a tree that does,nt die. I thought about whether I was told the Money tree would,nt die. I was struggling hard with all my thoughts because one cancelled out the other because I knew death and rebirth leaves you right in the middle and thats where we have been.

I was told not to press the matter further. I wondered why- its not something a tarologist can just accept without that question.
I continued to look at the tarot and got South and East for direction as to where Michael was – Southeast. Somewhere wooded and peaceful. Somewhere with Collumns. I did think of the cemetary but I still had it somewhere that there was a property rebuilt or being rebuilt. Sometime afterwards I read that Neverland was being reconstructed by those who had shares in it.

Overall the images I have had have been mass confusion because they did not seem to confirm to me that Michael Jackson – the real Michael Jackson had died.

I have said I am not an ardent fan. Im not the type to stand on street corners for idols not at my age and I dont put up posters but I knew there was something profound about Michael Jackson from the very beginning. He was a master of his art – MAGICIAN.
As a Magician and as a Peter Pan I did say I wanted in my heart for him to have opted out. None of my cards have told anyone here that he is dead – have they?

But Michaels 'death' promoted my post Michael Jackson – Wake up Call. You will have read that – it has the essense of what Michael was trying to say and do in society. He is not Jesus but he serves us with a message.

DO NOT JUDGE ME.

Jesus was ressurrected – in three days.

Michael Jackson could very well be ressurrected in THREE YEARS -

So should I say Michael Jackson is alive – ? ***

I will produce this post in the future. I will also try to keep some tarot information here to produce with it as time goes along but the time is not now because 'in tarot' Michael told me not to say what clarities have come to me. Im not going to betray him – and I wont. Its a promise between the kindred minds – he understood the occult – he was psychic – he was a seventh child – think about the veil.

Michael has the ability to bring religion home to people in a very big way – not named religion but the basiscs of human decency.
I will sit back now and watch his work unfold – he is a genius and perhaps he can show the world what MONEY CAN DO TO PEOPLE – because he knows about the vultures at the pot.

Hes watching them.

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“It is said that when our first
parents were banished from Eden
they found winter beyond its gates.
Eve stood sobbing, broken-hearted.
The leafless trees, the bare
ground and the biting winds were
a dreadful contrast to the bowers
of the garden of pleasure. God
sent an angel to comfort her.
The angel pointed to the ground
where her tears of penitence had
fallen and lo! there sprang up a
little plant with a teardrop for
its blossom. He gave the blossom to Eve, telling her that it was
an assurance that happiness would return to her and all her progeny.
The death and resurrection of Christ fulfills the promise of the
Snowdrop.”

There are occasions in life where we get truly dumbstruck or numbed usually because we just dont know what to say. Its not as though we are not thinking something is just that we dont know how to express what we think. Sometimes its not so much words its a feeling you get that does,nt have a description in particular.

When Michael Jackson died – and I was a fan of his music but not a fan with posters or someone who went overboard – I truly could not really say what went through my mind.

Psychologically, one might say its the end of an era in your life history and that its natural to sense that time or some realisation has been set it in about our own mortality. The era of Michael for people my age likely was hit by a thunderbolt – a kind of reakoning.

I can understand that reasoning. But that is not what has hit me – its more than that. Its a standstill of some kind.

We all come here to read the forum, we write about daily things, we try to do our little bit to highlight missing children – we support each other and communicate in this little place which quite a lot of people may not even know exists. But its a place people find by chance or by their friends. We might not be here all day, we might write just little bits or we might just read but we gather here in our own way in our own time.

Who we really are, and what we do and what our history is really is irrelevant in this little forum. We just accept each other and post or read. Anonimity is fine to be here as we are just who we are and no pressure is put upon any of us to say who we are or reveal any details about ourselves in any way.

Just looking at us and how we are brings some things home to me.

As individuals we have our own beliefs. We have our routines and our deepest thoughts and our religions and personal ideas of life.

It occurred to me how much good is on this forum and how many people have kind hearts. We are a small group, but this much is clearly evident.

I need to 'leap' here and hope you can make the connection with what has disturbed me about Michael Jacksons death and also how it does have a profound effect and why.

Nearly every person has a faith or a belief. It could be God or Jesus or some deep spiritual connection but whatever it is, its always based on something good. Something that is there to help us, something intangible that is somewhere out there to turn to and to feel that it is protective of us. Nomatter who you are – there will be that 'something' inside you even if it is indefinable.

I dont go to church and never have wished to offend anyone by saying this. I dont believe in many things that have presented themselves to us in religion because I dont think you can define the word God – I think of it as a living crystalised prism of emotion that is inside EVERYONE. Almost like a right and a wrong rulebook. Its just there – I have called it our concience before when discussing it. We take that concience and we adhere to it in the right way or we renounce it and use it in the wrong way. Whichever way it is used – it is simply there and we choose how we use this. That to me is the spiritual essence of god in every human being.

For others, there is Jesus and I will only take Jesus as an example not being fully knowledgeable of all religions and their intricacies.

Most people are brought up on Bible Stories and there are many wonderful quotes in there that do seem to apply to common sense in life. The proverbs in particular appear to be a rulebook of that common sense. Some can even be applied to our lives even in this current point of time as some are basic principles and timeless.

What does this have to do with Michael Jacksons death?

DEEDS.

It is our deeds our blueprint on the world that really matters.
Michael Jackson regardless of all slurs and strange stories carried out many great humanitarian deeds. Much of this is publicised but they do actually amount to far more than people realise.
There was something about him that made him the best loved most well known icon for the past 50 years. Thats a long time span. It was,nt just his music, it was his output to support people who were underprivileged.

Every celebrity is a target for slurs and bad publication, but for sensational stories to print and make money. Once we remember that and put that out the way – it is fairly obvious that Michael Jackson who was most famous of all and more private then most will be targeted with gossip and slander. People may say he was a paedophile – they say that because of the amount of children around him. Its not impossible is it? People see what they see and add 2 and 2 together and thats how the slurs seem to be thought of as no smoke without fire.

But I dont believe those slurs. I do believe in looking past those slurs at the blueprint of this person. Michael Jacksons blueprint has GIVE all over it. All the profits from his history album went to charity – thats not all there is an entire list of his Giving and most will not be realised or ever known because the slur stories are too powerful and the spell of them cannot be broken.

This however is not a monologue to defend Michael Jackson – its something else. Its the something that brought me to a standstill.

It made me realise that no matter how much good you do in the world – no matter what you give of yourself – no matter how kind you are – tolerant you are – thoughtful you are – you can still be injured – and written off into a divide where some will remember you for the kindness, some will find fault with that kindness suggesting it is a cover for some form of personal evil and others may float about forever in the ether wondering what the real truth is – wanting to believe in the good but being hounded mentally about the bad and therefore not able to feel sure either way.

This brings me to religion. Jesus. One of the famous words we learn as a child throughout our life.

As an example – Jesus is known to have been granted to earth as gods only son to teach people love and harmony. I am no priest so I wont effect the best speech about Jesus. But we all know how Jesus is perpetrated and how he suffered and died.

This is a story we have been told – we were not there were we but we accept this story as real because it inflicts the mind with the good and bad methods of behaviour and gets us to choose from our concience the right way to live in order to live peacefully.

But Jesus died. He died at the hands of people. He was persecuted and hounded – he was stoned and killed. He was,nt trusted, he was misunderstood, he was an enigma and someone who bothered the concience of people because he stood apart. He was not one of the crowd. He was different.

No matter the good that Jesus did as told to us over our lives..he died and he died by the hands of men because he was,nt believed.

We cant possibly think of Michael Jackson as Jesus. I dont. But I look at the DEEDS. The deeds show the essence of man. There were more good DEEDS about Michael Jackson then there were bad. The bad deeds were the deeds that were 'suggested' about him and never proven. The good deeds however outweigh those slurs.

What occurred to me when Michael Jackson died was something quite profound.

I realised that there could NEVER BE a second coming of Christ.
We are indoctrined to believe this – that Jesus will return.

To many people this is a very important occurrence – those who are deeply religious will have this in their heart.

For me, the proof of the human race was laid bare on the day that Michael Jackson died. You think this is over the top? It is,nt over the top. The one Icon that most people around the world know who – was outwardly religious minded – and thats regardless of what Michael Jackson really was, we are talking about what we have believed – was slurred with the most foul and unimaginable abuse claims and when he died – there were still those that stamped that image on him.

If he was known to do so much good, why were people prepared to believe only the bad?

Now you can apply that to Jesus. If Jesus were to come back to this world today and show himself – what do you think society would do? Do you think they would accept a man who says I am Jesus…do you think they would accept someone who could turn water into wine? Do you think they could accept someone who could raise the dead? No they would think he was a bloody nutcase and slander him. Thats exactly what they would do.

I see a parallell here between Michael Jackson and Jesus.

I see how the world has treated two people well known and givers in the world. Society cannot and will not accept anything that is pure and good. Society will not ever stop its suspicion of anything that is good. Because this is an obvious fact – what does it say about Society?

What does it say about US? – more importantly what does it say about the future?

Though I may not have put these thoughts down very well – I do have trouble trying to say what I mean, I want you to know that Michael Jackson dying is more than just a man who has died – because his dying has revealed a lot about society. The society we live in. When you get the full impact of this – it will freeze you inside.

What does the future hold for us once you consider SOCIETY?

When you think about what I am saying to you – you will wilt quicker than a snowdrop in spring. I have had a fundamental crisis about life and people and it came home to me on 25 June 2009.

There is a moral here – and if we dont see this – there WONT be a future – I am feeling that time is definately running out for the frivolity and triviality of human nature –

Michael Jacksons death deep in my soul means one thing.

Its a WAKE UP CALL

I have wiped more tears away in the last few days not even knowing why they are there or why my eyes keep watering.
Spirituality is calling to a lot of people but can anyone hear it.

Jesus was pierced in the heart with a sword.
Michael Jackson had injections around his heart.

We dont know what the truth is with Michael Jackson and his death, but what we have been given is a strange sense of SYMBOLISM.

Someone somewhere is telling us something – no joke.
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Hello all, I have promised to write to one or two of you and I will do this. I am looking through the posts that I said I would look through writings from earlier on. I wrote Tarot on 16 March and again in June 27 and then I could,nt write anything for a few days. My writings began again a few days further in July. Here is some of the ICHING postings. I still need to upload all this on my forum but have got caught up but will post them there.

Meanwhile here were some of my findings. I am no expert with Iching but I think I understand mostly what is said to me. Generally TAROT is my first tool but I try sometimes to back it up or confirm with another divination just thought I would explain that to you. The following information is taken from my hidden thoughts on my forum. My comments on each are in BLUE.

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why did you 'die' michael

GEMINI 17
THE HEAD OF A ROBUST YOUTH CHANGES INTO THAT OF A MATURE THINKER

There is only so much that one can do with youthful force. It is time to use mature thinking, using your intellect and intuition. Allow wisdom to come through. There can be a feeling of one's mindset changing and growing. Responsibilities are to be taken on board. Time to stop `tearing around' and to be more serious about life and its ramifications.

Going from reacting with the lower emotional nature to thinking with the higher mind. Pondering. Thinking things through. Finding answers. A state of stillness.

The Caution: Suddenly becoming very old and losing innocence and energy OR clinging to the illusions of childhood.

Here we have an Iching – Gemini 17 – Mercury Rules GEMINI – Gemini the twins Michael surely tells us quite plainly in this Iching the realism that he felt. Michael was getting older – he could never be what he was – he was under no illusions and though the creative spirit and energy is always there for those who are gifted Michael was settling down. He was settled in his mind about who he was and what he wanted – he could not produce the person who everyone wanted to see – he was older – it is quite simple in itself. He did not want to delude anybody – he did not aim to do so but he has always wanted to please. His new concerts would have had body doubles who would have taken the lions share of performance – Michael used them and its not an insight because we all know that – but here is a heartfelt message – MICHAEL JACKSON KING OF POP – ie., music 'died' – he could not produce that man, that image so many wished from him. It was his time to step down – this man needed answers, he pondered, he wondered – he wanted to be everything people wanted him to be – but he knew that was not possible.

were you murdered?

AQUARIUS 26
A GARAGE MAN TESTING A CAR'S BATTERY WITH A HYDROMETER

You may need to use some type of gauge on your emotional reactions. There is a need to take a more objective or inventive view that is more relative to modern society. Figure out any malfunctions so your life can proceed in a smoother, more efficient manner. Performing the necessary checks and balances are part of the everyday maintenance of society.

Testing our earthly vehicle for its roadworthiness. Breakdowns and the need for repair. The need for good batteries or to have them charged up. Oil, petrol, grease. Finding out what's wrong.

The Caution: Causing distress by constantly analyzing things. Bad health through lack of water or looking after one's self.

I asked this question as a series of questions all dated as the date above. This is his answer. You may read that answer here. I dont need to say anything.

did you die of natural causes

GEMINI 5
A RADICAL MAGAZINE OR PUBLICATION, ASKING FOR ACTION, DISPLAYS A SENSATIONAL FRONT PAGE

You are being motivated for change and, although you may not be absolutely sure which direction you will take, you are listening to messages that are around you. Look further within for the change in direction you need. Dramatizing one's situation can lead to overreaction, but doing nothing can lead to inertia.

The need for reform. Challenging outlooks. Breaking out of constraints. Messages and news that awakes. Revolutions. Social or emotional causes. Printing presses. Publishing. Big announcements.

The Caution: Being argumentative, noisy, disruptive. Demanding change. Selfish agendas. Misinformation and disinformation.

Again, I need say nothing here. But as always Michael reminds you about the press, information/disinformation – you are asked to use your own logic here.

PISCES 11
PEOPLE TRAVELING A NARROW PATH, SEEKING ILLUMINATION

Sometimes the search for high ideals and understandings place us at odds with conservative social expectations. It is the ability to persevere with the search, regardless of the cost, that marks the sincerity of any path or journey. Most times this quest is very illuminating, although sometimes it's confusing. You will need to reject that which is unworthy.

People 'on the path'. Having a cause to follow. The promise of light at the end of the day. Sticking with one's objective. Being in the now. Going towards the light.

The Caution: Being blinded by the light. Not knowing where you're really going. Denial of physical pleasure. Being puritanical and one-eyed

A very informative Iching above. People only believe what is TANGIBLE. When something is not TANGIBLE they do not believe. When you seek answers about Michael – you dont need proof of what is in your heart.

VIRGO 3
TWO GUARDIAN ANGELS BRINGING PROTECTION

There is a strong sense that you are protected, guided and directed and therefore you will find the true path that you must follow. Feeling good about your direction, and to be protected by this feeling, builds your inner strength. You are never alone when you draw this Symbol, always being looked after in times of stress or indecision.

Connection with one's own sense of inner guidance. Invisible protection. Salvation.

The Caution: Feeling lost and alone. Expecting that someone else will always pick up the piece

The message above VIRGO 3 was a direct message to me. I was confused and yes lonely because of messages I received and did not know what to do…whether to write them down – read them – forget them – feeling that perhaps someone else would put out the messages that were here that I had written down but I did,nt know what to do I could not decide whether I was doing wrong or right. I was told I was protected with the messages and Michael is a virgo as you know. Michael would have known about this indecision. I print this because it was a genuine message to me when I asked whether I was doing the right thing. This is all part of the stream of messages I received on the date printed above.

CAPRICORN 19
A CHILD OF ABOUT FIVE CARRYING A HUGE SHOPPING BAG FILLED WITH GROCERIES

You may feel that you have been lumbered with responsibilities beyond your normal expectations and possibly beyond your capability. Despite being keen and enthusiastic, you must be careful not to try to do too much (in the situation), too quickly. You need to play, be creative and rest as well. If you can find this balance, you will achieve a lot.

Growing up too fast. Being weighed down with the responsibilities of the situation. Taking on things above and beyond what one should.

The Caution: Overloading the innocent and the inexperienced without thought to the consequences. Taking on too much.

From the same date same thread – Michael describing himself and his situation and how he felt. I dont need to say anything with this ICHING either. We all know what it says to us.

neverland?

VIRGO 4
BLACK AND WHITE CHILDREN PLAYING HAPPILY TOGETHER

Your situation may have a lot of seemingly different and separate elements, but that is only an illusion of social perception. Social perceptions sometimes get in the way of how we see others. These need to be put aside, it's time for brotherhood and caring. In reality it is the integration and acceptance of all people (and enjoying them) that the situation will be resolved and move forward.

Universal brotherhood. Overcoming prejudices and boundaries.

The Caution: Acting with morality that is swayed by public opinion. Not being able to adjust psychologically to situations that require creative responses. Racial prejudice.

The Iching above refers directly to Neverland. It is an absolute positive reaction about social perception its another VIRGO answer and it was meticulously given – strongly given out and these words do not need explanation they tell you categorically exactly how Michael felt about children and what people should do and the fact that he acted with MORALITY but was a subject of racism. Yes. Thats right thats what he has said and its here in this Iching above. This man was a victim.

DO YOU HAVE A MESSAGE FOR ANYONE

SAGITTARIUS 17
AN EASTER SUNRISE SERVICE DRAWS A LARGE CROWD

This is a time of spiritual rebirth where you can rise above the failings of the past into a new beginning. Coming out of doubt and despair can lead to a new sense of love, faith and compassion. Join with others in a spirit of joy. There's a need for unwavering faith in communal spiritual values.

Performing any deeds with reverence. Cohesive communal expressions of faith. Peace rallies. Revivals. The need for faith in a bright future. Devotion. Worship.

The Caution: Obsession with the ceremony rather than the purpose or ideal. Feeling unable to lift one's spirits.

Looking at the caution – Michael KNOWS that people TALK and dont DO – please read these words from him – he wants people to pull together for a bright future – he knows he has said a lot in the past and he wants to feel that people are listening – thats his message.

I have a lot more postings and again reading them I dont think some are suitable at this time but I will post them eventually. I will also look at tarot again. There are other postings to put here shortly. I hope some of these have helped so far.

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Post by bibi on Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:59 pm

oh thank you thank you thank yoU!!!! YOU ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!! do you have any idea what this means?what veil is she talking about?

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Post by lifting the veil on Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:00 pm

Tonight I asked for a further message for everyone – and I received the exact same Tarot card that matches this card from Zen tarot. It is the page of wands. Its a truly lovely card. It symbolises so many things and most of all to spread the message. Michaels message he wants his words to be spread. He asks that we all behave like Children – this was written on 25 July and tonight the same message is given a message to everyone that is clearly extremely important. Its a reminder of what we are to feel, what we are to think and what we are to believe. He is asking you all to consider that he has only made a departure. That departure is slightly covered in a cloak – its the kind of departure that you have to decide yourself how you want to interpret that. This card shows new beginnings its a message for a new beginning and the message is sent to you. Michael is blatantly writing in opposition to the 'serious' man. We know what the serious man means – it is all that is restrictive and suffocating and archaic – its the releasing of emotion and embracing new and fresh thoughts to look to the future with the idea of boldness and direct energy of purpose to bring forward a strong new way of thinking and to reject all that is cobwebbed and ancient. This is a bold message in itself. It tells you exactly what Michael thinks and feels. This card often depicts someone who is red haired – but interestingly it can reflect a dark young man who has a young mind. He is blazing through like a catalyst. I have some real notion that there may be something coming up on the horizon. There may be something news perhaps for a lady from him or even to do with one. Not quite sure yet exactly what that is signifying but perhaps we shall hear something? I feel particularly good about this card for presenting itself twice on the same question.

On the revolutionary side of this card is some kind of reference to the EAST – Im assuming this could suggest countries of the East perhaps there is something vibrant there or emanating. Perhaps Eastern philosophy has an importance perhaps?

also there is an indication regarding the relaying of messages from Michael – message as follows:

I deliver messages from foreign realms, and I will smile while watching you decrypt my news with your logical mind (because I encourage you to decipher my speeches with your creative mind).

Nevertheless, I will sharpen your mind with prompts of imagination and humor. When you see me in the cards, get ready to have the fires of your higher creativity flair back to life.”

There is no doubt that there is many a message here that is being given and we must try to understand them correctly – this part is probably given to me having hoped to deliver messages from Michael. Having said that – it looks like Michael is raring to go – I would imagine that anybody that is able to put forward Michaels feelings and thoughts does seem to please him at least I take it that way because this is a winning card without a doubt. I also note that Michael wants his FINANCES looked after properly. He will need to know this is being done. I think I have seen this before. There is a clean slate for Michael – Im not sure what he means by this but there is one – and I think of this as a momentous joy. Ignore the word WOMAN it is simply how zen tarot sees it, one cannot attach the gender but take from it the message as woman or man. Clearly there is a happiness in this card and a feeling of being pleased without any feeling of holding back. The page is the promise of messages and this is just the beginning.



Michael is there any message you want me to give to people

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The moment you start seeing life as non-serious, a playfulness, all the burden on your heart disappears. All the fear of death, of life, of love – everything disappears. One starts living with a very light weight or almost no weight. So weightless one becomes, one can fly in the open sky.
Zen's greatest contribution is to give you an alternative to the serious man. The serious man has made the world, the serious man has made all the religions. He has created all the philosophies, all the cultures, all the moralities; everything that exists around you is a creation of the serious man. Zen has dropped out of the serious world. It has created a world of its own which is very playful, full of laughter, where even great masters behave like children.

The Point of Departure

Life is rarely as serious as we believe it to be, and when we recognize this fact, it responds by giving us more and more opportunities to play.

The woman in this card is celebrating the joy of being alive, like a butterfly that has emerged from its chrysalis into the promise of the light. She reminds us of the time when we were children, discovering seashells on the beach or building castles in the sand without any concern that the waves might come and wash them away in the next moment. She knows that life is a game, and she's playing the part of a clown right now with no sense of embarrassment or pretense.

When the Page of Fire enters your life, it is a sign that you are ready for the fresh and the new. Something wonderful is just on the horizon, and you have just the right quality of playful innocence and clarity to welcome it with open arms.
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Post by emo_pinkt on Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:01 pm

hmmmmm...Why did she do a tarot reading on michael in March?

I also saw that this post was edited on the MJDH froums @ 3:21pm by Empathy. The forums would have been closed by then.
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Post by lifting the veil on Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:03 pm

You're welcome bibi!

No J.J_loves_MJ, I am not Empathy, just re-posting her stuff cause I saved her thread!

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Post by InnerDemon on Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:06 pm

Woah, thank you so much! I totally forgot to read more than just her first 2 posts so I can do that now Smile
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Post by lifting the veil on Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:07 pm

emo_pinkt wrote:hmmmmm...Why did she do a tarot reading on michael in March?

I also saw that this post was edited on the MJDH froums @ 3:21pm by Empathy. The forums would have been closed by then.

Yes, when I came back, short before the forum was closed, I saw that she had removed all her posts.
When I went to her blog, it was gone as well...Idk what happened with her but she must have been hurt by one of the members.
But why removing the whole blog as well?
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Post by lifting the veil on Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:08 pm

InnerDemon wrote:Woah, thank you so much! I totally forgot to read more than just her first 2 posts so I can do that now Smile

You're welcome! There are some more and I will post them as well this evening. I am just glad that I saved all before it was gone...phew... Smile
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Post by lifting the veil on Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:12 pm

I thought I would drop a couple of posts here looking at zen tarot. I thought it might help at the current time. My question was really centred around what I could tell you here and perhaps the best way to understand the situation at the moment and how to cope with the news that we have and perhaps the lack of news that we get. I am not sure if many of you understand the symbolism of this tarot but it really has a tranquil quality I thought it might help. This question I asked for all of you was given back to me in one answer – MATURITY – I feel this tarot is telling us to try to look at things rationally – and also to remember that people do change – they are not always the person we think they are – the blossom and they grow – and times change. I think we are being asked to accept this change and try to grasp this change in the right way. I leave it for you here .


The distinction between the grasses and the blossoms is the same as between you not knowing that you are a buddha, and the moment you know that you are a buddha. In fact, there is no way to be otherwise. Buddha is completely blossomed, fully opened. His lotuses, his petals, have come to a completion…. Certainly, to be full of spring yourself is far more beautiful than the autumn dew falling on the lotus leaves. That is one of the most beautiful things to watch: when autumn dew falls on the lotus leaves and shine in the morning sun like real pearls. But of course it is a momentary experience. As the sun rises, the autumn dew starts evaporating…. This temporary beauty cannot be compared, certainly, with an eternal spring in your being. You look back as far as you can and it has always been there. You look forward as much as you can, and you will be surprised: it is your very being. Wherever you are it will be there, and the flowers will continue to shower on you. This is spiritual spring


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Maturity


This figure stands alone, silent and yet alert. The inner being is filled with flowers–that carry the quality of springtime and regenerate wherever he goes. This inner flowering and the wholeness that he feels affords the possibility of unlimited movement. He can move in any direction–within and without it makes no difference as his joy and and maturity cannot be diminished by externals. He has come to a time of centeredness and expansiveness–the white glow around the figure is his protection and his light. All of life's experiences have brought him to this time of perfection. When you draw this card, know well this moment carries a gift–for hard work well done. Your base is solid now and success and good fortune are yours for they are the outcome of what has already been experienced within.

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Post by lifting the veil on Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:13 pm

I have asked if something 'terrible' happened to Michael as this is a question you have all been asking me in PMS. I have put this question to Zen tarot with mediation. This reply is very symbolic so please think about what it says to you personally. In a direct answer to the actual wording of my question, this tarot does not seem to consider the word 'terrible' the most appropriate phrasing. This card is a 9 and nines are for completion. It is simply the end of an era and we are being asked to accept this. This card tells us that what has seemed to occur was the time that was picked and I dont pick up any terrible vibes from this card at all. I sense more of an 'understanding' in this completion that what needed to be done was done.

Only if your meditation has brought you a light that shines in every night will even death not be a death to you but a door to the divine. With the light in your heart, death itself is transformed into a door, and you enter into the universal spirit; you become one with the ocean. And unless you know the oceanic experience, you have lived in vain. Now is always the time, and the fruit is always ripe. You just need to gather courage to enter into your inner forest. The fruit is always ripe and the time is always the right time. There is no such thing as wrong time.

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Ripeness


When the fruit is ripe, it drops from the tree by itself. One moment it hangs by a thread from the branches of the tree, bursting with juice. The next moment it falls–not because it has been forced to fall, or has made the effort to jump, but because the tree has recognized its ripeness and simply let it go. When this card appears in a reading it indicates that you are ready to share your inner riches, your 'juice'. All you need to do is relax right where you are, and be willing for it to happen. This sharing of yourself, this expression of your creativity, can come in many ways–in your work, your relationships, your everyday life experiences. No special preparation or effort on your part is required. It is simply the right time.

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Post by lifting the veil on Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:14 pm

.Well here is a very interesting reading which I have followed up the last post with. I asked if Michael will ever return in physical form. I am seeing the TWO WORLDS here again but Im just going to leave this for all of you and let you decide what it tells you personally. Watch this space??????

Buddha has chosen one of the really very potential words – shunyata. The English word, the English equivalent, “nothingness”, is not such a beautiful word. That's why I would like to make it “no-thingness” – because the nothing is not just nothing, it is all. It is vibrant with all possibilities. It is potential, absolute potential. It is unmanifest yet, but it contains all.

In the beginning is nature, in the end is nature, so why in the middle do you make so much fuss? Why, in the middle, becoming so worried, so anxious, so ambitious – why create such despair? Nothingness to nothingness is the whole journey.

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No-Thingness

Being “in the gap” can be disorienting and even scary. Nothing to hold on to, no sense of direction, not even a hint of what choices and possibilities might lie ahead. But it was just this state of pure potential that existed before the universe was created.

All you can do now is to relax into this no-thingness…fall into this silence between the words…watch this gap between the outgoing and incoming breath. And treasure each empty moment of the experience. Something sacred is about to be born.

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Post by lifting the veil on Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:19 pm

I had to post this tarot for you because this is something I have had quite a few times in
other tarot over the last while. This card is very special and it does take a while to 'get
it'. Im not sure I want to explain this other than to tell you that it was the answer to this
question.

Why was the world told that Michael had died?

From this card you will understand that it is a wake up call. This was something that I
have mentioned before and it repeats itself. This happens frequently in tarot with
different divinations when there is a solid message to impart. We clearly HAVE to listen
to this to understand. Again it is telling us no straight answer – we are not allowed to
ask as I have said before but I know some of you have come to hope for answers. I print
this because it is important for you to see. Some people here are very young and this will
all seem like mumbo jumbo and I truly understand that but this message is asking you
to go back over Michaels work. Go back and listen to what he had to say. Listen to his
words. Its a great card – what a message.x and PLEASE NOTE what it tells everybody
here about a certain FAMOUS person. Read between the lines is all you have to do.



The child can become conscious only if in his past life he has meditated enough, has created
enough meditative energy to fight with the darkness that death brings. One simply is lost in an
oblivion and then suddenly finds a new womb and forgets completely about the old body.
There is a discontinuity. This darkness, this unconsciousness creates the discontinuity.

The East has been working hard to penetrate these barriers. And ten thousand years' work
has not been in vain. Everybody can penetrate to the past life, or many past lives. But for that
you have to go deeper into your meditation, for two reasons: unless you go deeper, you
cannot find the door to another life; secondly, you have to be deeper in meditation because if
you find the door of another life, a flood of events will come into the mind. It is hard enough
even to carry one life..

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Past Lives



The hands of existence form the shape of the female genitals, the opening of the cosmic
mother. Revealed within are many images, faces from other times.

While it might be entertaining to fantasize about famous past lives, it is just a distraction. The
real point is to see and understand the karmic patterns of our lives, and their roots in an
endless repetitive cycle that traps us in unconscious behavior.

The two rainbow lizards on either side represent knowing and not-knowing. They are the
guardians of the unconscious, making sure that we are prepared for a vision that might
otherwise be shattering.

A glimpse into the eternity of our existence is a gift, and understanding the function of karma
in our lives is not something that can be grasped at will. This is a wake-up call; the events in
your life are trying to show you a pattern as ancient as the journey of your own soul.



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Post by lifting the veil on Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:21 pm

I asked for a vision of how Michael wants people to picture him. This is how he wanted
to be and how he wanted us to view him. We should really consider this.

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Ordinariness

This figure walking in nature shows us that beauty can be found in the simple, ordinary things
of life. We so easily take this beautiful world we live in for granted. Cleaning the house,
tending the garden, cooking a meal–the most mundane tasks take on a sacred quality when
they are performed with your total involvement, with love, and for their own sake, without


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thought of recognition or reward. You are facing a time now when this easy, natural and
utterly ordinary approach to the situations you encounter will bring far better results than any
attempt on your part to be brilliant, clever, or otherwise extra-ordinary. Forget all about
making headlines by inventing the latest widget, or dazzling your friends and colleagues with
your unique star quality. The special gift you have to offer now is presented best by just
taking things easily and simply, one step at a time.

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Post by lifting the veil on Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:22 pm

Hello and good afternoon to everyone here. I just want to say thank you for some lovely
messages I have received. I will reply to them all though I am pretty slow with the PM
system.



I have still been looking at the tarot for Michael. I am still of the impression that we have to
let him go. Everything I have been getting is pointing to that . The main message has been to
let the past go. I dont think that is any clearer. There was another message I received twice
before and I will repeat it again but I am always concerned that if people read anything I have
written that they really do read what I say in the context it was meant.



One thing that has not been mentioned in the press that I am aware of is a car accident.( or a
vehicle with wheels) I do NOT KNOW if this has anything personally to do with Michael
himself but it comes up as a situation that has not been mentioned. There seems to have been
a car accident that involved someone who was drinking and driving or under the influence of
something.

I do not know if this will show itself in further reports or not but it came up in tarot in July
and it reappeared here again. Once more I will say that I do not know if this has anything to
do with Michael himself, but it may be to do with someone around or connected to him.

Tarot is very symbolic and we have to be extremely careful on interpretation – I have tried to
just give the information that has come.

I also see that there was an estrangement with family that might have been self imposed
because there were too many demands on Michael himself. He could not reach the demands.
There was also a situation going on about a blonde child or young blonde person. I do not get
everything right so I have to just put up what I do get and hope that others can sort it out – I
am not involved in all the details regarding Michael as some others are on this forum.

I saw a document or a letter or a contract that was produced – but there was something about
it that brought a kind of shock/surprise and it did really contribute to the events that followed.
I also feel that someone was 'watching' michael from a distance but again I am not sure who


that was or why. Tarot saw Michael in a dressing gown receiving a message whether in
person or on paper. A messenger in tarot can be either. There is absolutely no indication in the
tarot that Michel committed suicide. He did have a bad back and his back was in severe pain
in the period before we heard the news about him. He had burdens placed on him that was too
much for anyone to carry. When I say this I mean it. I also seemed to see that Michael was
very surprised about a child that he had not seen for some time and I feel that someone was
asking him to take responsibility for some reason or another.

I do think the Jackson family have tried to help Michael – I think Michael had a problem with
religion which ostracised him from certain people. He was not prepared to do what other
people wanted him to do with religious matters.

At the current time I have Michael 'healing' – whether passed or not – he is not coming back
as the Michael Jackson that people are remembering. Its harsh but people have to let go of
crushes and childhood illusions of an idol. It is,nt even fair to say that because I know there
are those who would be hurt by it – he wanted to be seen as a person. Many here have already
realised this. It must be realised once and for all. Michael comes to me by way of the RED
CROSS – therefore he is healing slowly.

I have my own thoughts on the matter but I think there might be further negative situations
that might be coming out in the press in the future. Personally Im going to ignore them. I see
in my own mind a picture of Michael 'imprisoned' there is some kind of reality to that
whichever way you want to look at it. He cant go forward and too much has been done for
him to go back.

Michel Jackson should never have been an unhappy person – it would have helped if people
had not preyed on his generosity but that is a fargone statement now. People who knew him
best are silent out of true respect. They are not going to get involved with the 'fuss' because
when you get involved with the 'fuss' it lets people push buttons. Tarot tells me they wont
allow their buttons to get pushed and they cover themselves in armour. Rightly so.

The tarot does not reveal where Michael is and keeps it as a closely guarded secret regardless
of his condition. He is protected by someone/people who really love him. I am of the
impression this will not be revealed because cupids will rush in if they have the key.

That speaks for itself. Fans are wonderful but this is a time in history for fans to stand back.
Im sorry but that is what I am told.

The situation regarding a blonde person which came to me as a young person – which could
be a child or someone young is a secret.

The car incident I do not understand – if it relates to Michael he may have fallen out of his
wheelchair at one point. Its very relative to the Chariot reversed. Other tarot readers will nod
at that as it could be either of those interpretations.

Investigation the situation around Michael I am squarely given the MOON. We have been
asked to accept that he has passed over – the Moon also represents dangerous and perilous
times but also it represents the UNREVEALED. Some people are barking up the wrong tree
on the case of Michael – and the real truth slips silently under cover.


But one thing I do feel that is a profound message to me personally is to say thank you to
everyone. Love and appreciation for work and caring from you all to Michael is huge. He did
love his fans but he could not live up to what you wanted him to be.

All I can see is someone who is nosey and funny. Hands in every pie and inquisitive and
fascinated by everything. Michael was absolutely enthralled by anything interesting to him.
Some things would be more interesting to him then most but if he found something he would
spend hours on that one thing working it out.

Appreciation and love is respected by him – but tarot tells me that he was the most insecure
person and unable to actually feel that he really was the Michael Jackson up there in the
lights. It was almost as though that was the public persona and what you really have is
someone who is a totally different identity. Tarot shows and supports a declined interest in
creating music. Loving music but 'over the magic of producing it' what else could he produce
to top what he had already done. It was time to move on and gravitate towards other areas of
interests. The FILM that is coming out – thats very interesting – there is a special message
about that.

Tarot tells you to 'roll the film backwards'…that is a very symbolic message and Im not going
to explain that at all.

Michael appeared in the tarot laughing. He is basically a naughty little boy – and he knows it.
There are areas you have to apply that to and all these messages are seperate – not to be stuck
together to form some story or explanation to suit – they are glimpses and snippets.

Remorse is let go of. Michael Jackson is free. Like I said before, if you love him you will set
him free. Dont cling – I sense that he is ridding himself of bad karma and he should be
allowed to do this. Nobody should ever get stuck in the past. The future is not yet but the past
is dead. He cannot move backwards or forwards he is stuck between those two worlds right
now. Only understanding can set him free.

Are you willing to accept that?



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Post by lifting the veil on Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:22 pm

The tarot represents past present and future and I cannot claim to be 100 per cent accurate I
just do my best with what I am given.



Just one other thing – Michael Jackson had a connection to San Francisco he gave me the
Golden Gates.



Just for the record. Michaels message was extremely powerful.

Michael Jackson: „They Don.t Care About Us,. banned prison version


YOUTUBE HERE.

http://www.sfbayview.com/2009/…..tertainer/

“They Don.t Care About Us” is the fourth single from Michael Jackson.s 1996 album
“HIStory.” The song remains one of the most controversial pieces Jackson ever composed. In
the U.S., media scrutiny surrounding alleged antisemitic lyrics were the catalyst for Jackson
altering a couple of words in the lyrics.

Responding to criticism by the New York Times, Jackson said: “The idea that these lyrics
could be deemed objectionable is extremely hurtful to me, and misleading. The song in fact is
about the pain of prejudice and hate and is a way to draw attention to social and political
problems. I am the voice of the accused and the attacked. I am the voice of everyone. I am the
skinhead, I am the Jew, I am the Black man, I am the white man. I am not the one who was
attacking. It is about the injustices to young people and how the system can wrongfully accuse
them. I am angry and outraged that I could be so misinterpreted.”

The song was accompanied by two music videos directed by Spike Lee. The first was shot in
the Dona Marta favela, or shantytown, of Rio de Janeiro, where state authorities tried to ban
all production over fears the video would damage their image, the area and prospects of
staging the 2004 Olympics. Still, the residents of the area were happy to see the singer, hoping
their problems would be made visible to a wider audience.

Jackson collaborated with 200 members of the cultural group Olodum, “who swayed to the
heavy beat of Salvador.s „samba-reggae. music.” The media interest surrounding the music
video exposed Olodum to 140 countries around the world. It brought them worldwide fame
and increased their credibility in Brazil.
The second video was shot in a prison and contains real video footage of police attacking
Blacks and of the Ku Klux Klan, war, genocide, starving children, assassination, execution
and other infamous human rights abuses by the state. This is the first time that Jackson made a
second music video for a single.
Commercially, the song became a Top 10 hit in all European countries. In the U.S., radio
stations were reluctant to play the controversial composition; however, it managed to peak at
No. 30 on the Billboard Hot 100.

This information was gleaned from Wikipedia.org.

FIN...lol
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:34 pm

Im flabbergasted. Utterly stunned. I ahve only read the first few posts and I literally lost the power to breathe for a second. OMG!

Im going to read more.........
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Post by lifting the veil on Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:46 pm

bibi wrote:oh thank you thank you thank yoU!!!! YOU ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!! do you have any idea what this means?what veil is she talking about?

"he was psychic – he was a seventh child – think about the veil."
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Her readings are quite interesting...I have a tarot deck as well, owned that a lot of years ago but I am miserable at it, to be honest...lol.

I think, Michael was is a very spiritual person and was open to such things. A lot of people don't believe in such things just because it is something that you can't see or grab.
A baby is totally connected to the spiritual world...how often when you see a baby smile or looking around, it seems like it is seeing things which we can't...

Growing up means nothing more, than loosing all those connections to the elementary things...really sad.
So I for myself prefer to be a child untill the end....hehehe bounce
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:55 pm

children are innocent like MJ said. The operative word being "innocent"....when you are a child, your imagination AND mind is free to wander and can see things on a different plane. Growing up taints you....and I believe there is a child still in all of us...it has just been shut out by the cruelties of the world. Some people dont see it, but MJ did...and I do too.
**hugs Michael***

I hope I made sense. Sometimes I have a hard time putting my true feelings into the proper words...
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Post by bibi on Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:07 pm

lifting the veil wrote:
bibi wrote:oh thank you thank you thank yoU!!!! YOU ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!! do you have any idea what this means?what veil is she talking about?

"he was psychic – he was a seventh child – think about the veil."
Question

Her readings are quite interesting...I have a tarot deck as well, owned that a lot of years ago but I am miserable at it, to be honest...lol.

I think, Michael was is a very spiritual person and was open to such things. A lot of people don't believe in such things just because it is something that you can't see or grab.
A baby is totally connected to the spiritual world...how often when you see a baby smile or looking around, it seems like it is seeing things which we can't...

Growing up means nothing more, than loosing all those connections to the elementary things...really sad.
So I for myself prefer to be a child untill the end....hehehe bounce

Idea oh wow!! I never thought of it that way!! The baby's wandering eyes makes sense...and it fits in with the Peter Pan thing of never growing up!!! Keeping that innocence and that pure belief that you lose once you are fed with the mentalities we have these days!!
I would give you a gold star if I could lol...but I can't so I'm just going to stick with the blue Like a Star @ heaven !!!hahaha
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Post by lifting the veil on Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:33 pm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:children are innocent like MJ said. The operative word being "innocent"....when you are a child, your imagination AND mind is free to wander and can see things on a different plane. Growing up taints you....and I believe there is a child still in all of us...it has just been shut out by the cruelties of the world. Some people dont see it, but MJ did...and I do too.
**hugs Michael***

I hope I made sense. Sometimes I have a hard time putting my true feelings into the proper words...

Don't worry, you totally made sense with what you said!
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Post by lifting the veil on Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:39 pm

bibi wrote:
lifting the veil wrote:
bibi wrote:oh thank you thank you thank yoU!!!! YOU ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!! do you have any idea what this means?what veil is she talking about?

"he was psychic – he was a seventh child – think about the veil."
Question

Her readings are quite interesting...I have a tarot deck as well, owned that a lot of years ago but I am miserable at it, to be honest...lol.

I think, Michael was is a very spiritual person and was open to such things. A lot of people don't believe in such things just because it is something that you can't see or grab.
A baby is totally connected to the spiritual world...how often when you see a baby smile or looking around, it seems like it is seeing things which we can't...

Growing up means nothing more, than loosing all those connections to the elementary things...really sad.
So I for myself prefer to be a child untill the end....hehehe bounce

Idea oh wow!! I never thought of it that way!! The baby's wandering eyes makes sense...and it fits in with the Peter Pan thing of never growing up!!! Keeping that innocence and that pure belief that you lose once you are fed with the mentalities we have these days!!
I would give you a gold star if I could lol...but I can't so I'm just going to stick with the blue Like a Star @ heaven !!!hahaha

LoooL...blue is great, I love that color. Wink

A baby is like an empty sheet of paper and the parents are the artists to fill it...unfortunately in most cases parents are unknowingly not such good artits...hahaha
Omg, am I in an philosophical mood tonight or what...long live Peter Pan and Tinkerbell!!!
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Post by ballongiraf on Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:15 pm

i really wish i understood this "tarot card talk" Sad What does these readings mean? Alive, dead? What's the conclusion? LOL.
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Post by lifting the veil on Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:55 pm

She can't say if he is still alive or not but she said, that this Michael as we know him won't come back.
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Post by bibi on Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:57 pm

lifting the veil wrote: Michael as we know him won't come back.
He's gonna have silver pants now, instead of gold!! king
THe way she writes is alittle hard to understand, but you gotta read between the lines. cyclops
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Post by velvetsilvergirl on Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:33 pm

Am I alone here or did none of that make sense? I read tarot as well and I've never processed the messages I received in such a manner. Dont get me wrong, everyone must work with their gift the way is best for them. But I struggle to think how she ever gets a reading complete with the way her thoughts are rambling. She must have an awful headache.

She seems genuine to me, so no disrespect intended. But I dont believe Michael is dead and I have never received so many strong messags from a spirit that was still in this world. You understand? If MJ is communicating with her to that extent, it would appear to me that he has passed, which I dont believe.
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Post by STARFISH1 on Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:11 am

I'm confused currently.scratch
We want to know the truth, and opaque to catch us again flee!
Everything is mysteriously as he!
I do not know what to think on this topic.
Tell a simple language, is or is not !
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Post by shirley-grace on Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:21 am

sorry wrong post Embarassed
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Post by STARFISH1 on Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:53 pm

I'm afraid, and I do not know the reason why? Confusing a bit!
Here's part of the songs that talk about everything.
Read or listen carefully!

"They Do not Care About Us"

''Tell me what has become of my life
I have a wife and two children who love me
I am the victim of police brutality, now
I’m tired of bein’ the victim of hate
You’re rapin’ me of my pride
Oh, for God’s sake
I look to heaven to fulfill its prophecy …
Set me free''
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