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Post by ilprincipe on Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:05 am

This sentence in the headline was his statement today, when he was in Germany...near my homezone....visiting a castle *lol*
It referred to MJ and if he ever could be buried in Neverland...

He also stated he had a good father-son relationship with Michael...
"I think I made a good job" (in being a father)

Why he was in Germany and what he did there was not told. Even the German reporters didn't know why he was here exactly...

Joe told just "business reasons" ...that's all.

Original source: http://www.focus.de/panorama/boulevard/michael-jackson-letzte-ruhe-ohne-gewaehr_aid_437795.html
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Re: Joe Jackson: There's no plan that never happens

Post by shirley-grace on Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:11 am

Germany is the key
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Re: Joe Jackson: There's no plan that never happens

Post by WanaBstartnSthn on Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:12 am

I don't know what to think of Joe anymore. I seriously think he is just another pawn in the whole Hoax
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Post by EarthAngel90 on Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:13 am

Sounds like a major lie right there .... "Business Reasons" ..... Hmhmmmm
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Post by AugustMoon on Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:54 am

GERMANIA IS THE KEY,jermaine in austria close borders to germany,joe jackson in germany,long way to go for business reasons.
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Re: Joe Jackson: There's no plan that never happens

Post by DawneVee on Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:59 am

Hmmmm Joe Hmmmm...
We're watching you pal!

He could have been in Germany looking for talent for his record label...

or...

Visiting his son.
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Re: Joe Jackson: There's no plan that never happens

Post by shirley-grace on Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:00 am

Janet is in Italy
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Re: Joe Jackson: There's no plan that never happens

Post by mommy on Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:01 am

I don't get it. Why doesn't the media pick up on all the oddities happening here - are they in denial???

Well, I don't really want to know where Michael is. I just want to know that he is alive and well.
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Re: Joe Jackson: There's no plan that never happens

Post by AugustMoon on Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:10 am

im thinking IF someone media/press etc just kept track of one of the jacksons for a long period of time,they could find more than they bargained for?when will there be a TMZ exclusive again with MAJOR BREAKING NEWS!
eastern europe,lets just say europe,there is a lot of Jacksons coming and going,tito is also going on a solo tour soon in the uk,katherine will always remain watching the kids,wasnt latoya in europe recently?taking turns?
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Re: Joe Jackson: There's no plan that never happens

Post by MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs on Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:26 am

Perhaps he's there to keep GERMANY in the news.

I know that may sound silly to some, but aren't the Jacksons staying in the public eye...more so than ever before....??!

Perhaps we're supposed to be thinking about GERMANY, as a country... and NOT to be so specific regarding WHY J. Jackson is there........

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Re: Joe Jackson: There's no plan that never happens

Post by GirlSaturday on Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:29 am

Hopefully the German members of the site will not laugh too hard at my sincere statement/question.

There are so many ties to Germany within the hoax. Why? What is it about Germany that makes it possibly the key?

I have never visited Germany and I do not know much about the country. Please tell me if there are reasons to select that country as the one that would be most advantageous to MJ during his hoax.

shirley-grace wrote:Germany is the key
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Re: Joe Jackson: There's no plan that never happens

Post by ishealive on Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:33 am

The family spend alot of time in Germany and Germany gets the exclusive interviews all the time. I've never seen/heard so much about the Jacksons 'til June 25th!

Isn't RTL a German network?
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Re: Joe Jackson: There's no plan that never happens

Post by Guest on Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:37 am

ishealive wrote:The family spend alot of time in Germany and Germany gets the exclusive interviews all the time. I've never seen/heard so much about the Jacksons 'til June 25th!

Isn't RTL a German network?

Yes it is.

Germany is the key
You know it`s only some of the family members, who is in Germany

JCC get your butt back here, give us more clues


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Re: Joe Jackson: There's no plan that never happens

Post by GirlSaturday on Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:52 am

Thank you. I have wondered for some time why Germany.
ishealive wrote:The family spend alot of time in Germany and Germany gets the exclusive interviews all the time. I've never seen/heard so much about the Jacksons 'til June 25th!

Isn't RTL a German network?
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Re: Joe Jackson: There's no plan that never happens

Post by mommy on Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:29 pm

Hey, I'm only about ½ hours drive from Germany. It's dark now, but I'll go looking tomorrow...
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Re: Joe Jackson: There's no plan that never happens

Post by mjssoulmate on Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:47 pm

I think I mentioned this before. They are all there looking for me. Obviously they don't read this forum, because I said I live in the US now.

By the way, Erlangen is just 10 minutes from my home town. They are getting close! LOL
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Re: Joe Jackson: There's no plan that never happens

Post by ishealive on Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:03 pm

Seriously though, I never followed the Jackson family before well not like how I followed MJ, were they always in Germany a few times a year?
All these interviews are taking place in Germany I find this extremely odd, I mean odd in a good way because something must be bringing them to Germany.
The reason I mentioned RTL above incase you didn't pick up on it is the remake of the "hoax" video, again Germany - a German network say they made the remake which I never believed, if I didn't know any better i'd say the Jacksons were German and not American.
There's alot going on in Germany behind the scenes.
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Re: Joe Jackson: There's no plan that never happens

Post by mjssoulmate on Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:07 pm

Germans are suckers for has beens. Which all Jacksons, Michael and Janet not included, are. Just look at the big deal they made out of Hasselhoff.
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Re: Joe Jackson: There's no plan that never happens

Post by ilprincipe on Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:16 pm

@ishealive: Joe visited Germany also often in the past before MJs "death". The other members of the Jackson Clan not...at least I didn't notice their appearance in Germany....

*lol* @mjssoulmate....
Hasselhoff is drunk again and they expect him to sing in nov. for the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin wall...

greetings from mittelfranken Smile
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Re: Joe Jackson: There's no plan that never happens

Post by mjssoulmate on Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:20 pm

Oh my God! It's been 20 years. Seems like it was just yesterday! I'm getting old!

ilprincipe where do you live? I'm from Herzogenaurach, but have lived in Florida for the past 12 years.
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Post by MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs on Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:27 pm

Something about GERMANY is drawing them there.

Anything major happen(ing/ed) in GERMANY, as a country???

Knowing the message(s) that Michael brings to the World, why is "Germany the key"??

:~ KEEPING THE FAITH ~:

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Post by MJFoReVeRandAlways on Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:29 pm

Oh, where is JCC when we need him/her?
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Re: Joe Jackson: There's no plan that never happens

Post by ilprincipe on Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:29 pm

@ mjssoulmate: Oh....Matthäus/Schaeffler/adidas/puma city Wink

live in Nbg. but come originally from a little village outside of Nbg.
70 km west of Nbg.....very little...50 inhabitants

right now I'm jealous, because you live in the sunshine state and fall is approaching here....
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Re: Joe Jackson: There's no plan that never happens

Post by GirlSaturday on Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:35 pm

Why would there be such great acceptance of has beens?

Your comment leads me to wonder something...
Which MJ tour featured him at his highest popularity among German fans? What about Central Europe fans as a whole?

mjssoulmate wrote:Germans are suckers for has beens. Which all Jacksons, Michael and Janet not included, are. Just look at the big deal they made out of Hasselhoff.
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Post by jpresley on Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:42 pm

I think that Michael was extremely popular in Germany for the length of his career. Can't remember specifically, but I know that I've read that several times from different sources.
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Post by GirlSaturday on Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:17 pm

Which tour specifically was really really successful for him in Germany and Central Europe as a whole. I'm getting somewhere and that answer is one of my missing links.

Michael was extremely popular in Germany for the length of his career. Can't remember specifically, but I know that I've read that several times from different sources.[/quote]
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Re: Joe Jackson: There's no plan that never happens

Post by hungry on Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:29 pm

shirley-grace wrote:Germany is the key
EXACTLY!
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Post by ilprincipe on Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:20 am

GirlSaturday wrote:Which tour specifically was really really successful for him in Germany and Central Europe as a whole. I'm getting somewhere and that answer is one of my missing links.

Michael was extremely popular in Germany for the length of his career. Can't remember specifically, but I know that I've read that several times from different sources.

OK Girl Saturday...I tried to do some research....and I ♥ wikipedia *lol*

Dangerous Tour:

69 concerts...16 in Germany....this is about 23 %....almost a quarter of it...
pretty much for a country which is smaller than California...but the population is bigger (about 45 % more persons living in Germany than in Cali)
At all a lot of concerts in Central Europe


Here the dates and cities of the whole tour....no concert in the USA

1992 leg
Date City Venue
June 27, 1992 Munich, Germany Olympiastadion
June 30, 1992 Rotterdam, Netherlands Fejinoord Stadium
July 1, 1992 Rotterdam, Netherlands Fejinoord Stadium
August 8, 1992 Bremen, Germany Weserstadion
August 10, 1992 Hamburg, Germany Volksparkstadion
August 13, 1992 Hamelin, Germany Weserburglandstadion
August 28, 1992 Frankfurt, Germany Walkstadion
August 30, 1992 Ludwigshafen, Germany Sudweststadion
September 2, 1992 Bayreuth, Germany Volkstadion]]
September 4, 1996 Berlin, Germany Friedrich Ludwig Jahn Sportpark
06/27/92 Munich, Germany - Olympiastadion
06/30/92 Rotterdam, Netherlands - Feijenoord Stadion
07/01/92 Rotterdam, Netherlands - Feijenoord Stadion
07/04/92 Rome, Italy - Stadio Flaminio
07/06/92 Monza, Italy - Stadio Brianteo
07/07/92 Monza, Italy - Stadio Brianteo
07/11/92 Cologne, Germany - Müngersdorfer Stadium
07/15/92 Oslo, Norway - Valle Hovin
07/17/92 Stockholm, Sweden - Stockholms Stadion
07/18/92 Stockholm, Sweden - Stockholms Stadion
07/20/92 Copenhagen, Denmark - Gentofte Stadion
07/22/92 Werchter, Belgium - Werchter Festival Park
07/25/92 Dublin, Ireland - Lansdowne Road
07/30/92 London, England - Wembley Stadium
07/31/92 London, England - Wembley Stadium
08/05/92 Cardiff, Wales - Cardiff Arms Park
08/08/92 Bremen, Germany - Weserstadion
08/10/92 Hamburg, Germany - Volksparkstadion
08/13/92 Hamelin, Germany - Weserberglandstadion
08/16/92 Leeds, England - Roundhay Park
08/18/92 Glasgow, Scotland - Glasgow Green
08/20/92 London, England - Wembley Stadium
08/22/92 London, England - Wembley Stadium
08/23/92 London, England - Wembley Stadium
08/26/92 Vienna, Austria - Praterstadion
08/28/92 Frankfurt, Germany - Waldstadion
08/30/92 Ludwigshafen, Germany - Südweststadion
09/02/92 Bayreuth, Germany - Volkstadion
09/04/92 Berlin, Germany - Friedrich Ludwig Jahn Sportpark
09/08/92 Lausanne, Switzerland - Stade Olympique de la Pontaise
09/13/92 Paris, France - Hippodrome de Vincennes
09/16/92 Toulouse, France - Stade de Toulouse
09/18/92 Barcelona, Spain - Estadi Olímpic Lluís Companys
09/21/92 Oviedo, Spain - Estadio Carlos Tartiere
09/22/92 Madrid, Spain - Vicente Calderón Stadium
09/26/92 Lisbon, Portugal - José Alvalade Stadium
10/01/92 Bucharest, Romania - Lia Manoliu Stadium
12/12/92 Tokyo, Japan - Tokyo Dome
12/14/92 Tokyo, Japan - Tokyo Dome
12/17/92 Tokyo, Japan - Tokyo Dome
12/19/92 Tokyo, Japan - Tokyo Dome
12/22/92 Tokyo, Japan - Tokyo Dome
12/24/92 Tokyo, Japan - Tokyo Dome
12/30/92 Tokyo, Japan - Tokyo Dome
12/31/92 Tokyo, Japan - Tokyo Dome
[edit]1993 leg
08/24/93 Bangkok, Thailand - Suphachalasai Stadium
08/27/93 Bangkok, Thailand - Suphachalasai Stadium
08/29/93 Singapore, Singapore - Singapore National Stadium
09/01/93 Singapore, Singapore - Singapore National Stadium
09/04/93 Taipei, Taiwan - Taipei Municipal Stadium
09/06/93 Taipei, Taiwan - Taipei Municipal Stadium
09/10/93 Fukuoka, Japan - Fukuoka Dome
09/11/93 Fukuoka, Japan - Fukuoka Dome
09/15/93 Moscow, Russia - Luzhniki Stadium
09/19/93 Tel Aviv, Israel - Hayarkon Park
09/21/93 Tel Aviv, Israel - Hayarkon Park
09/23/93 Istanbul, Turkey - İnönü Stadium
09/26/93 Santa Cruz de Tenerife, Spain - Santa Cruz de Tenerife Port
10/08/93 Buenos Aires, Argentina - River Plate Stadium
10/10/93 Buenos Aires, Argentina - River Plate Stadium
10/12/93 Buenos Aires, Argentina - River Plate Stadium
10/15/93 Sao Paulo, Brazil - Morumbi Stadium
10/17/93 Sao Paulo, Brazil - Morumbi Stadium
10/23/93 Santiago, Chile - Estadio Nacional de Chile
10/29/93 Mexico City, Mexico - Estadio Azteca
10/31/93 Mexico City, Mexico - Estadio Azteca
11/07/93 Mexico City, Mexico - Estadio Azteca
11/09/93 Mexico City, Mexico - Estadio Azteca
11/11/93 Mexico City, Mexico - Estadio Azteca


Then we have the HiStory tour:
There were 10 of the 82 concerts in Germany...2 concerts in Hawaii...that*s all for the US...
a lot of concerts in Central Europe again.



First Leg
Date City Venue Attendance
September 7, 1996 Prague, Czech Republic Letna Park 127,000
September 10, 1996 Budapest, Hungary Népstadion 60,000
September 14, 1996 Bucharest, Romania Lia Manoliu Stadium 70,000
September 17, 1996 Moscow, Russia Dynamo Stadium 50,000
September 20, 1996 Warsaw, Poland Bemowo Airport 120,000
September 24, 1996 Zaragoza, Spain La Romareda Stadium 45,000
September 28, 1996 Amsterdam, Netherlands Amsterdam ArenA 50,000
September 30, 1996 Amsterdam, Netherlands Amsterdam ArenA 50,000
October 2, 1996 Amsterdam, Netherlands Amsterdam ArenA 50,000
October 7, 1996 Tunis, Tunisia El Menzah Stadium 90,000
October 11, 1996 Seoul, South Korea Olympic Stadium 50,000
October 13, 1996 Seoul, South Korea Olympic Stadium 50,000
October 18, 1996 Taipei, Taiwan Chungshan Soccer Stadium 40,000
October 20, 1996 Kaohsiung, Taiwan Chungcheng Stadium 30,000
October 22, 1996 Taipei, Taiwan Chungshan Soccer Stadium 40,000
October 25, 1996 Singapore National Stadium 35,000
October 27, 1996 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Merdeka Stadium 40,000
October 29, 1996 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Merdeka Stadium 40,000
November 1, 1996 Mumbai, India Andheri Sports Complex 60,000
November 5, 1996 Bangkok, Thailand IMPACT Muang Thong Thani 40,000
November 9, 1996 Auckland, New Zealand Ericsson Stadium 43,000
November 11, 1996 Auckland, New Zealand Ericsson Stadium 43,000
November 14, 1996 Sydney, Australia Sydney Cricket Ground 40,000
November 16, 1996 Sydney, Australia Sydney Cricket Ground 40,000
November 19, 1996 Brisbane, Australia ANZ Stadium 40,000
November 22, 1996 Melbourne, Australia Melbourne Cricket Ground 65,000
November 24, 1996 Melbourne, Australia Melbourne Cricket Ground 65,000
November 26, 1996 Adelaide, Australia Adelaide Oval 30,000
November 30, 1996 Perth, Australia Burswood Dome 20,000
December 2, 1996 Perth, Australia Burswood Dome 20,000
December 4, 1996 Perth, Australia Burswood Dome 20,000
December 8, 1996 Paranaque, Metro Manila Asia World City 55,000
December 10, 1996 Paranaque, Metro Manila Asia World LRT Station 90,000
December 12, 1996 Tokyo, Japan Tokyo Dome 45,000
December 15, 1996 Tokyo, Japan Tokyo Dome 45,000
December 17, 1996 Tokyo, Japan Tokyo Dome 45,000
December 20, 1996 Tokyo, Japan Tokyo Dome 45,000
December 26, 1996 Fukuoka, Japan Fukuoka Dome 40,000
December 28, 1996 Fukuoka, Japan Fukuoka Dome 40,000
December 31, 1996 Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei Jerudong Park Amphitheatre 60,000
January 3, 1997 Honolulu, Hawaii, United States Aloha Stadium 35,000
January 4, 1997 Honolulu, Hawaii, United States Aloha Stadium 35,000
[edit]Second Leg
Date City Venue Attendance
May 31, 1997 Bremen, Germany Weserstadion 35,000
June 3, 1997 Cologne, Germany Müngersdorfer Stadion 60,000
June 6, 1997 Bremen, Germany Weserstadion 35,000
June 8, 1997 Amsterdam, Netherlands Amsterdam ArenA 50,000
June 10, 1997 Amsterdam, Netherlands Amsterdam ArenA 50,000
June 13, 1997 Kiel, Germany Nordmarksportfield 55,000
June 15, 1997 Gelsenkirchen, Germany Parkstadion 50,000
June 18, 1997 Milan, Italy San Siro 45,000
June 20, 1997 Lausanne, Switzerland La Pontaise Olympic Stadium 35,000
June 22, 1997 Bettembourg, Luxembourg Krakelshaff 45,000
June 25, 1997 Lyon, France Stade de Gerland 25,000
June 27, 1997 Paris, France Parc des Princes 50,000
June 29, 1997 Paris, France Parc des Princes 45,000
July 2, 1997 Vienna, Austria Ernst Happel Stadium 50,000
July 4, 1997 Munich, Germany Olympic Stadium 70,000
July 6, 1997 Munich, Germany Olympic Stadium 70,000
July 9, 1997 Sheffield, United Kingdom Don Valley Stadium 45,000
July 12, 1997 London, United Kingdom Wembley Stadium 72,000
July 15, 1997 London, United Kingdom Wembley Stadium 72,000
July 17, 1997 London, United Kingdom Wembley Stadium 72,000
July 19, 1997 Dublin, Ireland Royal Dublin Society 40,000
July 25, 1997 Basel, Switzerland St. Jakob Park 55,000
July 27, 1997 Nice, France Stade Charles-Ehrmann 35,000
August 1, 1997 Berlin, Germany Olympic Stadium 88,000
August 3, 1997 Leipzig, Germany Festwiese 60,000
August 10, 1997 Hockenheim, Germany Hockenheimring 85,000
August 14, 1997 Copenhagen, Denmark Parken Stadium 45,000
August 16, 1997 Gothenburg, Sweden Ullevi 47,000
August 19, 1997 Oslo, Norway Valle Hovin 34,000
August 22, 1997 Tallinn, Estonia Song Festival Grounds 75,000
August 24, 1997 Helsinki, Finland Olympic Stadium 50,000
August 26, 1997 Helsinki, Finland Olympic Stadium 50,000
August 29, 1997 Copenhagen, Denmark Parken Stadium 45,000
September 3, 1997 Ostend, Belgium Hippodrome Wellington 55,000
September 6, 1997 Valladolid, Spain José Zorrilla Stadium 45,000
October 4, 1997 Cape Town, South Africa Greenpoint Stadium 35,000
October 6, 1997 Cape Town, South Africa Greenpoint Stadium 35,000
October 10, 1997 Johannesburg, South Africa Johannesburg Stadium 57,000
October 12, 1997 Johannesburg, South Africa Johannesburg Stadium 57,000
October 15, 1997 Durban, South Africa Kings Park Stadium 50,000
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Re: Joe Jackson: There's no plan that never happens

Post by GirlSaturday on Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:09 am

Thank you. Please check your pm too.

ilprincipe wrote:
GirlSaturday wrote:Which tour specifically was really really successful for him in Germany and Central Europe as a whole. I'm getting somewhere and that answer is one of my missing links.

Michael was extremely popular in Germany for the length of his career. Can't remember specifically, but I know that I've read that several times from different sources.

OK Girl Saturday...I tried to do some research....and I ♥ wikipedia *lol*

Dangerous Tour:

69 concerts...16 in Germany....this is about 23 %....almost a quarter of it...
pretty much for a country which is smaller than California...but the population is bigger (about 45 % more persons living in Germany than in Cali)
At all a lot of concerts in Central Europe


Here the dates and cities of the whole tour....no concert in the USA

1992 leg
Date City Venue
June 27, 1992 Munich, Germany Olympiastadion
June 30, 1992 Rotterdam, Netherlands Fejinoord Stadium
July 1, 1992 Rotterdam, Netherlands Fejinoord Stadium
August 8, 1992 Bremen, Germany Weserstadion
August 10, 1992 Hamburg, Germany Volksparkstadion
August 13, 1992 Hamelin, Germany Weserburglandstadion
August 28, 1992 Frankfurt, Germany Walkstadion
August 30, 1992 Ludwigshafen, Germany Sudweststadion
September 2, 1992 Bayreuth, Germany Volkstadion]]
September 4, 1996 Berlin, Germany Friedrich Ludwig Jahn Sportpark
06/27/92 Munich, Germany - Olympiastadion
06/30/92 Rotterdam, Netherlands - Feijenoord Stadion
07/01/92 Rotterdam, Netherlands - Feijenoord Stadion
07/04/92 Rome, Italy - Stadio Flaminio
07/06/92 Monza, Italy - Stadio Brianteo
07/07/92 Monza, Italy - Stadio Brianteo
07/11/92 Cologne, Germany - Müngersdorfer Stadium
07/15/92 Oslo, Norway - Valle Hovin
07/17/92 Stockholm, Sweden - Stockholms Stadion
07/18/92 Stockholm, Sweden - Stockholms Stadion
07/20/92 Copenhagen, Denmark - Gentofte Stadion
07/22/92 Werchter, Belgium - Werchter Festival Park
07/25/92 Dublin, Ireland - Lansdowne Road
07/30/92 London, England - Wembley Stadium
07/31/92 London, England - Wembley Stadium
08/05/92 Cardiff, Wales - Cardiff Arms Park
08/08/92 Bremen, Germany - Weserstadion
08/10/92 Hamburg, Germany - Volksparkstadion
08/13/92 Hamelin, Germany - Weserberglandstadion
08/16/92 Leeds, England - Roundhay Park
08/18/92 Glasgow, Scotland - Glasgow Green
08/20/92 London, England - Wembley Stadium
08/22/92 London, England - Wembley Stadium
08/23/92 London, England - Wembley Stadium
08/26/92 Vienna, Austria - Praterstadion
08/28/92 Frankfurt, Germany - Waldstadion
08/30/92 Ludwigshafen, Germany - Südweststadion
09/02/92 Bayreuth, Germany - Volkstadion
09/04/92 Berlin, Germany - Friedrich Ludwig Jahn Sportpark
09/08/92 Lausanne, Switzerland - Stade Olympique de la Pontaise
09/13/92 Paris, France - Hippodrome de Vincennes
09/16/92 Toulouse, France - Stade de Toulouse
09/18/92 Barcelona, Spain - Estadi Olímpic Lluís Companys
09/21/92 Oviedo, Spain - Estadio Carlos Tartiere
09/22/92 Madrid, Spain - Vicente Calderón Stadium
09/26/92 Lisbon, Portugal - José Alvalade Stadium
10/01/92 Bucharest, Romania - Lia Manoliu Stadium
12/12/92 Tokyo, Japan - Tokyo Dome
12/14/92 Tokyo, Japan - Tokyo Dome
12/17/92 Tokyo, Japan - Tokyo Dome
12/19/92 Tokyo, Japan - Tokyo Dome
12/22/92 Tokyo, Japan - Tokyo Dome
12/24/92 Tokyo, Japan - Tokyo Dome
12/30/92 Tokyo, Japan - Tokyo Dome
12/31/92 Tokyo, Japan - Tokyo Dome
[edit]1993 leg
08/24/93 Bangkok, Thailand - Suphachalasai Stadium
08/27/93 Bangkok, Thailand - Suphachalasai Stadium
08/29/93 Singapore, Singapore - Singapore National Stadium
09/01/93 Singapore, Singapore - Singapore National Stadium
09/04/93 Taipei, Taiwan - Taipei Municipal Stadium
09/06/93 Taipei, Taiwan - Taipei Municipal Stadium
09/10/93 Fukuoka, Japan - Fukuoka Dome
09/11/93 Fukuoka, Japan - Fukuoka Dome
09/15/93 Moscow, Russia - Luzhniki Stadium
09/19/93 Tel Aviv, Israel - Hayarkon Park
09/21/93 Tel Aviv, Israel - Hayarkon Park
09/23/93 Istanbul, Turkey - İnönü Stadium
09/26/93 Santa Cruz de Tenerife, Spain - Santa Cruz de Tenerife Port
10/08/93 Buenos Aires, Argentina - River Plate Stadium
10/10/93 Buenos Aires, Argentina - River Plate Stadium
10/12/93 Buenos Aires, Argentina - River Plate Stadium
10/15/93 Sao Paulo, Brazil - Morumbi Stadium
10/17/93 Sao Paulo, Brazil - Morumbi Stadium
10/23/93 Santiago, Chile - Estadio Nacional de Chile
10/29/93 Mexico City, Mexico - Estadio Azteca
10/31/93 Mexico City, Mexico - Estadio Azteca
11/07/93 Mexico City, Mexico - Estadio Azteca
11/09/93 Mexico City, Mexico - Estadio Azteca
11/11/93 Mexico City, Mexico - Estadio Azteca


Then we have the HiStory tour:
There were 10 of the 82 concerts in Germany...2 concerts in Hawaii...that*s all for the US...
a lot of concerts in Central Europe again.



First Leg
Date City Venue Attendance
September 7, 1996 Prague, Czech Republic Letna Park 127,000
September 10, 1996 Budapest, Hungary Népstadion 60,000
September 14, 1996 Bucharest, Romania Lia Manoliu Stadium 70,000
September 17, 1996 Moscow, Russia Dynamo Stadium 50,000
September 20, 1996 Warsaw, Poland Bemowo Airport 120,000
September 24, 1996 Zaragoza, Spain La Romareda Stadium 45,000
September 28, 1996 Amsterdam, Netherlands Amsterdam ArenA 50,000
September 30, 1996 Amsterdam, Netherlands Amsterdam ArenA 50,000
October 2, 1996 Amsterdam, Netherlands Amsterdam ArenA 50,000
October 7, 1996 Tunis, Tunisia El Menzah Stadium 90,000
October 11, 1996 Seoul, South Korea Olympic Stadium 50,000
October 13, 1996 Seoul, South Korea Olympic Stadium 50,000
October 18, 1996 Taipei, Taiwan Chungshan Soccer Stadium 40,000
October 20, 1996 Kaohsiung, Taiwan Chungcheng Stadium 30,000
October 22, 1996 Taipei, Taiwan Chungshan Soccer Stadium 40,000
October 25, 1996 Singapore National Stadium 35,000
October 27, 1996 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Merdeka Stadium 40,000
October 29, 1996 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Merdeka Stadium 40,000
November 1, 1996 Mumbai, India Andheri Sports Complex 60,000
November 5, 1996 Bangkok, Thailand IMPACT Muang Thong Thani 40,000
November 9, 1996 Auckland, New Zealand Ericsson Stadium 43,000
November 11, 1996 Auckland, New Zealand Ericsson Stadium 43,000
November 14, 1996 Sydney, Australia Sydney Cricket Ground 40,000
November 16, 1996 Sydney, Australia Sydney Cricket Ground 40,000
November 19, 1996 Brisbane, Australia ANZ Stadium 40,000
November 22, 1996 Melbourne, Australia Melbourne Cricket Ground 65,000
November 24, 1996 Melbourne, Australia Melbourne Cricket Ground 65,000
November 26, 1996 Adelaide, Australia Adelaide Oval 30,000
November 30, 1996 Perth, Australia Burswood Dome 20,000
December 2, 1996 Perth, Australia Burswood Dome 20,000
December 4, 1996 Perth, Australia Burswood Dome 20,000
December 8, 1996 Paranaque, Metro Manila Asia World City 55,000
December 10, 1996 Paranaque, Metro Manila Asia World LRT Station 90,000
December 12, 1996 Tokyo, Japan Tokyo Dome 45,000
December 15, 1996 Tokyo, Japan Tokyo Dome 45,000
December 17, 1996 Tokyo, Japan Tokyo Dome 45,000
December 20, 1996 Tokyo, Japan Tokyo Dome 45,000
December 26, 1996 Fukuoka, Japan Fukuoka Dome 40,000
December 28, 1996 Fukuoka, Japan Fukuoka Dome 40,000
December 31, 1996 Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei Jerudong Park Amphitheatre 60,000
January 3, 1997 Honolulu, Hawaii, United States Aloha Stadium 35,000
January 4, 1997 Honolulu, Hawaii, United States Aloha Stadium 35,000
[edit]Second Leg
Date City Venue Attendance
May 31, 1997 Bremen, Germany Weserstadion 35,000
June 3, 1997 Cologne, Germany Müngersdorfer Stadion 60,000
June 6, 1997 Bremen, Germany Weserstadion 35,000
June 8, 1997 Amsterdam, Netherlands Amsterdam ArenA 50,000
June 10, 1997 Amsterdam, Netherlands Amsterdam ArenA 50,000
June 13, 1997 Kiel, Germany Nordmarksportfield 55,000
June 15, 1997 Gelsenkirchen, Germany Parkstadion 50,000
June 18, 1997 Milan, Italy San Siro 45,000
June 20, 1997 Lausanne, Switzerland La Pontaise Olympic Stadium 35,000
June 22, 1997 Bettembourg, Luxembourg Krakelshaff 45,000
June 25, 1997 Lyon, France Stade de Gerland 25,000
June 27, 1997 Paris, France Parc des Princes 50,000
June 29, 1997 Paris, France Parc des Princes 45,000
July 2, 1997 Vienna, Austria Ernst Happel Stadium 50,000
July 4, 1997 Munich, Germany Olympic Stadium 70,000
July 6, 1997 Munich, Germany Olympic Stadium 70,000
July 9, 1997 Sheffield, United Kingdom Don Valley Stadium 45,000
July 12, 1997 London, United Kingdom Wembley Stadium 72,000
July 15, 1997 London, United Kingdom Wembley Stadium 72,000
July 17, 1997 London, United Kingdom Wembley Stadium 72,000
July 19, 1997 Dublin, Ireland Royal Dublin Society 40,000
July 25, 1997 Basel, Switzerland St. Jakob Park 55,000
July 27, 1997 Nice, France Stade Charles-Ehrmann 35,000
August 1, 1997 Berlin, Germany Olympic Stadium 88,000
August 3, 1997 Leipzig, Germany Festwiese 60,000
August 10, 1997 Hockenheim, Germany Hockenheimring 85,000
August 14, 1997 Copenhagen, Denmark Parken Stadium 45,000
August 16, 1997 Gothenburg, Sweden Ullevi 47,000
August 19, 1997 Oslo, Norway Valle Hovin 34,000
August 22, 1997 Tallinn, Estonia Song Festival Grounds 75,000
August 24, 1997 Helsinki, Finland Olympic Stadium 50,000
August 26, 1997 Helsinki, Finland Olympic Stadium 50,000
August 29, 1997 Copenhagen, Denmark Parken Stadium 45,000
September 3, 1997 Ostend, Belgium Hippodrome Wellington 55,000
September 6, 1997 Valladolid, Spain José Zorrilla Stadium 45,000
October 4, 1997 Cape Town, South Africa Greenpoint Stadium 35,000
October 6, 1997 Cape Town, South Africa Greenpoint Stadium 35,000
October 10, 1997 Johannesburg, South Africa Johannesburg Stadium 57,000
October 12, 1997 Johannesburg, South Africa Johannesburg Stadium 57,000
October 15, 1997 Durban, South Africa Kings Park Stadium 50,000
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hey has some one have all the jcc clues i need them if someone has plz give me thnx
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He was always popular in Germany, even as little Mikey.
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Yes, I love my hometown. Nuernberg is cool too. I just love the whole region and miss it very much.
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Post by Guest on Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:46 pm

when Omar had twitter..which he has now deleted by the way, he mentioned

in a single sentence one word.. Fatima....not sure what that means!!

When i asked him, the evry next day he deleted his twitter account.

I also read someone over the last clp of days that Omar is still with MJs
family at the ranch..and is to play MJ in a movie..

Can anyone shed light on that?

Thanks keep the faith

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Post by mjssoulmate on Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:51 pm

Fatima is a name of arabic origin. It means baby's nurse.

Was he talking about the children's nanny?
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Post by MacyBlue on Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:31 pm

Fatima is also a place in Portugal. There is a Catholic shrine there.

Fatima was also the name of Mohammed's wife or daughter ..I can't remember which.
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Post by Guest on Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:34 pm

Thankyou for that,,Much appreciated

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Post by MJJ Love on Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:40 pm

INteresting thread.
And very interesting that GERMANY is continually brought up.

I beleive Joe and Michael have a closer father son releationship that what we have been led to believe by the "MEDIA"/ LIARS.
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Post by annieisnotokey on Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:54 pm

About FATIMA, it's not just a place in Portugal with a shrine.
It has great significance for catholic people.
The story says that the Virgin Mary appeared to three shepherd children every 13th for 6 consecutive months, starting in May and ending in October affraid 1917.

According to the story, with each appearance Virgin Mary shared secrets & prophecies and performed miracles. Nowadays, Fatima remains a place of devotion, reverence & pilgrimage for catholics.

Just my 2 cents.
It's not necessarily related to the hoax but it's interesting that Omer mentioned Fatima.


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Post by MacyBlue on Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:02 pm

annie .... I know .... My daughter did a research report on the miracles of Fatima , and what teh events meant to teh World ...teh secrets , the promises etc . I am very new here and I was trying to leave my post as plain as possible. Im sorry I am still feeling my way around here . I hope no one felt that I was making a trifle of such an important place .


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Post by annieisnotokey on Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:11 pm

MacyBlue wrote:annie .... I know .... My daughter did a research report on the miracles of Fatima , and what teh events meant to teh World ...teh secrets , the promises etc . I am very new here and I was trying to leave my post as plain as possible. Im sorry I am still feeling my way around here . I hope no one felt that I was making a trifle of such an important place .


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Macy, plz don't think for a second I was attacking you. It wasn't my intention at all. flower

I just wanted to point out that there might be more meaning to the reference of Fatima than initially thought.
Specially because not many people in this Forum have latin or latin-american backgrounds, so they might not have heard of the miracles of Fatima before.

And BTW, welcome to the Forum!! cheers

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Post by MacyBlue on Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:14 pm

NO not at all ...annie ...thank you !
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