Re: Murder/Mystery/Conspiracy - What did happen June 25th?

by annieisnotokey Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:45 am

Rach wrote:We really are!

I guess I now own a quarter of yor brain!

And my brain keeps getting smaller! lol!

by jenn77 Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:34 pm

I did think from the start that Michael had been murdered. I thought Sony was involved because he owed them lots of money apparently and wanted the other half of the beatles catalogue that MJ still owned. I think that Sony could have thought that if Michael died they would have first hand on the catalogue seeing as they owned half with him and he was in debt to them.

Then I started believing in the hoax thingy because it was happier to believe, anyhow, I do believe Michael to be alive and that he is trying to get to the real fans with the odd things happening to let us know he is indeed still around but cant come out yet.

I like your theory and find it very plausible.

by jenn77 Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:37 pm

Also dont forget he did call tomy motolla the devil in public. I'm sure that didn't sit very well with motolla.

by fa Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:51 am

[quote="Banessa"]

nlb wrote:
A political decoy is a person employed to impersonate a politician,
This would also explain the way Katherine looked during the burial and why people were in fact sad. The less people that know the better. IMO, it could also explain why he let the kids been seen by the world for the first time-FOR THEIR SAFETY.
Thanks for sharing this

Yes it would! The picture we all saw that day of her in the "Burial" was not of a grieving mother IMHO but of a mother who is WORRIED!!! Thanks for pointing this out. It makes sense and fits with Rach's theory!

@ Rach You are welcome!

I´ve had the same impression.
The only thing I disagree in this theory is when you say that the family doesn´t know about what happened. I say this because of Paris´ reactions. she was too close to her father and she seems to be so happy now. It seems a little weird for me as if she knows something that makes she feel in peace.
And his mother really seems to be worried, sad, but not grieving.

by ILuvUMoreMJ Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:01 am

If there's one thing I'm sure of it's that there is no way Michael would let his kids or mother think he was dead if he wasn't. The rest of the family I'm not so sure about, but that would be a huge burden for his mother to keep the truth so I'm inclined to believe everyone in the family knows...except maybe bigmouth Latoya. Laughing

by tinkerbell72 Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:18 am

Rach wrote:Hey Guys

I just wanted to share a few thoughts with you. I know I said I wasn't going to but I need to see what others make of this.

PLEASE BE AWARE THAT THIS IS CONTROVERSIAL SO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ THEN PRESS THE BACKSPACE BUTTON NOW

So tonight, there has been some rucas on the forum regarding some tapes that have been on ET where Michael was stating that he was worried for not only his life, but that of his children's as well. If you haven't seen it, here is the link to where it is.

https://mjkit.forumotion.net/breaking-news-f3/michaels-late-night-voice-mails-said-he-was-scared-for-his-life-t1686.htm

Now during this thread it was mentioned that we need to stop looking at this as a hoax and more of a conspiracy. which got me thinking of murder. Now I know where peoples minds go with that so please hear me out. Let's say that
"Michael Jackson" was murdered on June 25th for whatever reason. How would you all feel if I told you it wasn't the real Michael Jackson but a body double?

I want to cast your eye back to 5th March 2009 when Michael announced "This Is It". Now putting aside whether or not this was Michael, please take a closer listen to what is being said at that press conference. Here is the link so you can watch it again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj0q7wC4lWA

I noted on MJHD a while back that I thought what was been said had a deeper meaning then was been conveyed, like Michael knew he was going away and had to think of a coded way to tell us. His exacts words are: "I love you. I really do, you have to know that. I love you so much. Really, from the bottom of my heart". While it isn't unusual for Michael to tell his fans how much he loves it, it struck me as odd that he hammered this message home to us big time. Like he wanted to say goodbye but couldn't. I believe Michael was indeed planning on hoaxing his death at this time for a number of reasons but what happened on June 25th stopped him and he wasn't able to go ahead with it.

Let's now have a closer look at La Toya. We all know how for months she has been hammering home about Michael was murdered but we all passed her off as crazy. However, she may be telling the truth. Look at this video below and tell me what you think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEncEW_42Is

I'm never going to be the biggest La Toya fan but I am going to give her credit for this one. I will never know the 100% truth and this is just speculation on my part, but I am going to go out on a limb and say that Michael probably was surrounding himself with people who didn't have his best interests at heart without knowing it ,and this was his downfall. According to La Toya, Michael thought he was going to be murdered for his Beatles back catalogue. What I find odd is that in the last week the Beatles music has been all over the news for various reasons. New digitally enhanced CDs have been released and I also believe some of their music is appearing on various video games. This would mean BIG BUCKS for Michael and perhaps someone knew this? Maybe Michael did think he was going to be murdered for this and that's why he feared for his life like the above recorded calls suggest?

Now I want to come to Annie's theory for a moment. Annie stated that after the 2003 trial Michael was jaded and wanted to escape the limelight so the idea of a double came in so that he could hoax his death. Many of us are fascinated by this theory which to me suggests that we believe there may have been a real life Jack London. Now assuming Annie's theory is correct (which I believe) Jack London was living at home with Michael and his children. No-one knew of his existance except for the select few who needed to know. Annie also stated that in order to not get caught the real Michael didn't stay over during the evening at the LA mansion so no-one would catch them. I know this may sound a little far fetched but could it be possible if someone did want to murder Michael that they did in fact murder who they thought to be him, it was just the wrong person?

Meanwhile the real Michael is alive and well at an undisclosed location and is absoutley terrifed of what is going on. (I know this is a horrible thought but please stay with me). He needs to tell the LAPD about the plan to hoax his death in order from them to realise why a double was murdered but for them to co-operate with him, Michael needs to give them some help as well. He needs to go along with the idea that he was murdered so that the police can bring down whoever did this to him. In an act of desperation Michael agrees to do whatever they want, leaving behind his children and his loved ones in order to help bring the people who murdered "Michael Jackson" to justice. It would explain why there has been problems with this investigation for months and why the coronor has been so shady abut releasing the results. It could also explain the RTL video. I believe this to be real, as do many others. Let's say it is real and that is Michael Jackson visiting the coronors office. However, he is there to visit "Jack London" and to pay his respects and say goodbye to the man who literally have his life to him?

Maybe we are looking at this the wrong way and Michael's family DON'T know about any of this and they are in actual shock. I know that grief can do strange things to people and make them appear like they don't care when they in fact do. I wouldn't like to think that La Toya would make such a giant @ss of herself if she wasn't 100% sure that Michael did feel he was going to be murdered. She seems so insistant and to me, when that happens it's only because the person believes with 100% conviction that they are correct. Maybe Michael is in Witness Protection and needs to remain hidden until whoever did this is brought to justice?

Again this is just a theory so please don't take what I say to be 100% true. As with all of my theories they tend to get people thinking and I hope this one will do the same. I just want to add that I don't want to comment or speculate on who I think would want to hurt Michael. You can make your own mind up on that.

Thanks for reading and I would love to hear your thoughts on this

Rachel.

i've always thought that there was an attempt to kill Michael. This before reading any forum about hoax death, that's why i started looking around. at first i was sure they killed him, then i started asking myself ... why so many strange things like we don't see the body, the missing video surveillance tapes, the moving body in white stripes ... Murray still around! i think he had to escape quite suddenly, maybe he was thinking about disappearing a long time before BUT he had to do it at the moment. i think his double was killed, because people who wanted him dead, they surely are able to know IF there is a body or not. maybe murray as always faced the double so he could not know it was not mike. maybe he killed "mike" around 10 am, that's why he was on the phone and he was caught immediately and the time remainig between the murder and the 911 call was the time it took to organize the escape. that is more or less my opinion. hope i succeded in explainig myself.

by catlady Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:17 pm

UPDATED: Reputed Mobster Al Malnik Says He's Executor of Michael Jackson's Will and "Blanket"'s New Dad

By Bob Norman
Friday, Jun. 26 2009 @ 10:44AM

Murder/Mystery/Conspiracy - What did happen June 25th? - Page 2 Malnikjackson

At The Forge (from left): Shareef Malnick, Al Malnick, Serena Williams, Michael Jackson, Chris Tucker, and Bret Ratner (front).

[UPDATED: Holy shit. Jose Lambiet got Malnik on the phone, and he said Michael Jackson named him the executor of his will and godfather and guardian of Jackson's youngest son, Prince Michael "Blanket" Jackson. Read Lambiet's "Page 2" post here. Malnik also spoke with CBS4's Lisa Petrillo and said he was executor of the will in 2004, but he's not sure if he's still in the will. Considering the fact that Jackson reportedly believed he was the victim of a
"conspiracy" by Malnik and Tommy Mottola to grab his assets, I doubt Malnik is still either executor or guardian of Blanket. But wow, Malnik really got his hooks into the King of Pop. The crazy thing is that neither Lambiet nor Petrillo mentioned Malnik's Mafia past, which is arguably the best part of the story. Guess that's why Malnik talked to them. This Malnik thing is going to get madly interesting, I'm afraid.]

Facing a criminal trial and millions in bail costs and legal bills, Michael Jackson found a "friend" in a local man: reputed mobster Al Malnik.

Malnik, owner of the Forge restaurant in Miami and a former close associate of Mafia kingpin Meyer Lansky, befriended the pop king and let him stay in his 15-bedroom, 35,000-square-foot Palm Beach County mansion in Ocean Ridge. Jackson even sat with Malnik at the head table during Malnik's 70th birthday bash at the Forge in 2003.
The ultra-wealthy Malnik, who made a fortune in the shady and predatory title loan business and also has ties to notorious con man Joel Steinger, not only helped Jackson pay the costs of the criminal case but also reportedly helped him try to pay off massive loans Jackson took against the value of the Beatles' catalog he co-owned with Sony. The Beatles' song rights are reportedly worth about a billion dollars.
But Malnik, in his business dealings, has never been known for helping anyone without expecting more in return. He learned from Lansky, after all, and was dubbed the mobster's "heir apparent" by Reader's Digest when Lansky died in 1983. He was banned from Atlantic City casinos by the New Jersey Gaming Commission after it was determined he was associated with criminals, including Lansky and mobster Sam Cohen. (The feds charged Malnik with tax evasion in 1969 after gathering heavily incriminating audiotapes, but the case was tossed when it was determined the tapes were illegally obtained by agents.) But Malnik and Jackson at some point had a falling out. Fox News' Roger Friedman, who dug into the relationship, reported that it might have been because Jackson had surrounded himself with the Nation of Islam. Still another report claimed it was because Jackson noticed that Malnik had a statue on his property that looked like the devil.
Vanity Fair's Maureen Orth reported in 2005 that a cloak-and-dagger source named Gordon Novel told her that Jackson came to believe that Malnik was part of a conspiracy by Sony, which owned half of the Beatles catalog, to take over the entire asset of songs. Involved in the alleged conspiracy was former Sony head Tommy Mottola and Hollywood director Brett Ratner, who grew up in Miami under Malnik's wing. Here's a passage from Orth's story:
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Jackson explained to Novel that the conspirators had introduced him to Al Malnik, a wealthy Miami attorney who had once represented Meyer Lansky. Malnik later helped Jackson refinance his loans. That was not what Jackson told Novel, however. According to Novel, Jackson said he was lured to Malnik's house in Miami Beach by film director Brett Ratner to see a house so beautiful it would make him catatonic. He said that once he was there, however, Malnik, who Jackson claimed had Mafia ties, wanted to put his fingers in the singer's business. Jackson also said he received a call from Tommy Mottola while he was there, which aroused his suspicion, but he did not tell Novel that he later put Malnik on the board of the Sony/ATV Music partnership. (Reached by telephone, Malnik scoffed at the idea of a conspiracy or of his having any Mafia ties. He said, "It does not make any sense." Ratner confirmed that he took Jackson to Malnik's house and that he considers Malnik a father figure.)</BLOCKQUOTE>

This all sounds like terribly murky stuff. Were veteran financial vampires like Malnik and Mottola trying to suck every bit of worth they could out of the shaky and vulnerable Jackson? Or was Jackson just letting his paranoia get the best of him? Or was Gordon Novel (read about him here) the one who really dreamed it all up in the first place?

The question that I don't think has ever been answered is what, exactly, Malnik ever got out of Jackson. I called Malnik, and his secretary told me he wasn't available for comment on Jackson. Perhaps the truth will come out as the inevitable battlings over Jackson's estate go public. But one thing is clear: The fact that Michael Jackson had to go to Malnik for "help" is a clear indication of just how chaotic and sad his life had become.

by TimelessTreasure Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:02 am

Though I shudder to think of someone wanting to go as far as to kill someone as sweet as Michael, the greed of alot of people doesnt surprise me and I know that while Michael was staying in Florida his host with alleged mafia ties was caught by Michael recieving a call from Tommy M. (sony) they were going to try and dube Michael out of all or part of his catalogue. I would say possible Mob involvment as Michael stated a few times he thought someone was going to try and kill him for that Beatles catalogue.

by zeus Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:11 am

Good day all.I believe M.J. was surrounded by bad people,who only pretended to be his friends.I have a theory:
I have read that the following are Jews.
RANDY PHILLIPS -AEG
TOMMY MOTOLLA-SONY ---I THINK HE IS THE BRO-IN LAW TO BASHIR
JOHN BRANCA-M.J. WILL -BASICALLY SUPREME RULER OF M.J ESTATE
EVAN CHANDLER-WE ALL KNOW WHO HE IS
TOM SNEDDON-D.A .2005 TRIAL
D.ROWE
TOHME-LEBANESE JEW
URI GELLER-MAJOR MIND CONTROL FREAK-MK-ULTRA-MOSSAD
IT APPEARS TO ME THAT MICHAEL WAS ATTACKED BY THESE PEOPLE ,THEY WANTED HIS MONEY,THEY HATED HIS FAME AND THE EFFECT HE HAD ON PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD,THEY WHERE BEHIND THE FAKE CHILD MOLESTATION CHARGES,LAPD IS IN THEIR PAY POCKET THAT.S WHY MICHAEL'S MURDER IS NOT INVERSTIGATED,ANOTHER COLD CASE.

by maya Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:06 am

Zeus i agree with you.
Mind Control-The Ultimate Terror

by me0101 Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:15 pm

I'm new here.

I don't know what to think about all of this. Some of the talk out there can be proven as false. BUT there are far to many pieces of information out there that just don't add up.

I'm with you all on this.

by zeus Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:55 pm

I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A LOT OF MISINFORMATION OUT THERE DESIGN TO MISLEAD US ,GIVE US FALSE TARGETS AND FALSE HOPES.IT APPEARS THE STAGE WAS SET WAY BEFORE M.J. DEATH,THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE HIS TELEPHONE LINE IN HIS HOUSE WHERE CUT OFF TWO DAYS PRIOR TO HIS DEATH/MURDER.

by me0101 Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:33 pm

zeus wrote:I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A LOT OF MISINFORMATION OUT THERE DESIGN TO MISLEAD US ,GIVE US FALSE TARGETS AND FALSE HOPES.IT APPEARS THE STAGE WAS SET WAY BEFORE M.J. DEATH,THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE HIS TELEPHONE LINE IN HIS HOUSE WHERE CUT OFF TWO DAYS PRIOR TO HIS DEATH/MURDER.

They were?

by zeus Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:34 am

Yes.according to his friends and relatives . I just posted at BACK TO THE FAKE VIDEO OF MICHAEL GETTING OUT. WHAT DO YOU THINK???

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