Picture of the place Michael is "Buried"

Ascension Window Sarcophagus

"Based on insider descriptions of the immediate area, my best guess -- and this is ONLY an educated grave hunter's guess, not an officially confirmed fact -- is that Michael now rests on the main floor of the terrace, at the end of a sanctuary hallway with cathedral ceilings, under three stained-glass windows which are a re-creation of Nicola D'Ascenzo's "The Ascension."

Sorry if this has already been posted
I thought this was very interesting
Apparently it is much more beautiful in person




edit*
It was confirmed that Michael Jackson is at the Ascension Window sarcophagus
Apparently the room is filled with balloons and flowers,
and the guards deliver flowers to the sarcophagus from fans.
For more pictures of a fans visit to Michaels "Grave" visit here.

https://s961.photobucket.com/albums/ae91/ejacobs29/?start=0

Very interesting

And whats the point of this topic??

I find this odd. I thought that part of Forest Lawn was like fort Knox and NO ONE except family and close friends could get in there?

Pictures through a peephole? WTF? The people at FL and fam of MJ should be ashamed of themselves....allowing people in there to visit KNOWING his body is not even there?

MJFOREVER wrote:And whats the point of this topic??

That it's the only photo of where michael is apparently laid to rest?
Is there really a need to be rude about it?

@ jacksonologist:
the picture is very old, around 50 years or so

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:I find this odd. I thought that part of Forest Lawn was like fort Knox and NO ONE except family and close friends could get in there?

Pictures through a peephole? WTF? The people at FL and fam of MJ should be ashamed of themselves....allowing people in there to visit KNOWING his body is not even there?

The estimated price was around $600,000
I don't understand why they wouldn't just say that MJ's grave site is a secret
instead of spending so much money on that sarcophagus

I read some place and also heard on the news that there was supposedly a huge picture of the "Last Supper" above where he was to be laid to rest...like what he had hanging above his bed in his Neverland bedroom???

Did you mean that this is where Michael laid to rest, or it's just your guess?
Sorry HeavyHearts I did'nt really get what you mean.

First of all, we shouldnt even be debating this cus MJ is NOT THERE!!!!

Dont forget that!



(he is hiding in my bedroom)

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:First of all, we shouldnt even be debating this cus MJ is NOT THERE!!!!

Dont forget that!



(he is hiding in my bedroom)

.

iMISSYOUMJ wrote:Did you mean that this is where Michael laid to rest, or it's just your guess?
Sorry HeavyHearts I did'nt really get what you mean.

Sorry it isn't set out very well!
I'll explain

I got the picture from a grave hunter's website
She guessed that is where he is because of the description the JAckson family gave
however a few weeks later a fan went to visit and the guards of the holy terrace confirmed it is where michael is laid to rest

...or so they say
we know the truth

HeavyHearts wrote:

iMISSYOUMJ wrote:Did you mean that this is where Michael laid to rest, or it's just your guess?
Sorry HeavyHearts I did'nt really get what you mean.

Sorry it isn't set out very well!
I'll explain

I got the picture from a grave hunter's website
She guessed that is where he is because of the description the JAckson family gave
however a few weeks later a fan went to visit and the guards of the holy terrace confirmed it is where michael is laid to rest

...or so they say
we know the truth

Ok I get what you mean now. Thankyou!

HeavyHearts wrote:

MJFOREVER wrote:And whats the point of this topic??

That it's the only photo of where michael is apparently laid to rest?
Is there really a need to be rude about it?

@ jacksonologist:
the picture is very old, around 50 years or so

Sorry didnt want to sound rude i appologize
This cant be his grave as jacksonologist reported hes not there:P
Second the place where he 'is' put to 'rest' is very high protected and there is security all over the place so how is it passible that some fans can come so close to 'him'??
Sorry dont buy it(no dont want to sound rude again:P)

BTW WTH grave hunters???? never heard of it

Hmmm, and lets hope it wont be for another 50 years but has anyone else also thought .......where will Michael be buried when he really does die?

Hmm look at the tmz report strange we are talking about it and the report it:P or was it already post when some one started this topic??

http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/06/michael-jackson-tomb-forrest-lawn/

Ditto! Damn! are we that bored with coming of with topics to discuss? Please don not post anything of this nature again! Thank you! Keep the Faith!

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:First of all, we shouldnt even be debating this cus MJ is NOT THERE!!!!

Dont forget that!



(he is hiding in my bedroom)

BTW...he suppose to be inside the Grand Mausoleum at Forest Lawn which has heavy duty security. NO ONE gets in there. Even if youre a parent of the deceased, you need to show ID. There is a gate there and so you cant just waltz in..

Rumor has it that the Jacksons chose this particular place in Forest Lawn firstly because they didnt want crazed fans messin with his grave. Secondly, they chose this spot BECAUSE it was high security and the fact that no one can get in without giving up their first born, they supposedly couldnt bring themsleves to bury MJ where fans could go and mourn him, KNOWING he wasnt inside the grave. So they chose a spot that was well protected just for this reason.
Someone speculated to this before...I forgot who it was.

There is noway that anyone is allowed to take any pictures what so ever in there. There is security guards all over the damn place, NOONE can go in there, other than the Jackson's.

This is all wrong, that picture is all wrong.

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:First of all, we shouldnt even be debating this cus MJ is NOT THERE!!!!

Dont forget that!



(he is hiding in my bedroom)

Absolutely correct!!! at last part...

To come back at my tmz post:P
What the hell was i thinking ahah:P even tho the have lower the security the place where mj 'is' is behind gates right and other stuff that doesnt fit my tmz story and the article that started this topic No i dont want to sound rude;)

MJFOREVER wrote:To come back at my tmz post:P
What the hell was i thinking ahah:P even tho the have lower the security the place where mj 'is' is behind gates right and other stuff that doesnt fit my tmz story and the article that started this topic No i dont want to sound rude;)

You lost me! LOL...i dont understand what you mean...

There weren't any photos taken inside. The tomb you see is from Forest Lawn's brochure, or website. But it is not where the family said Michael would be entombed. They said it would be under the Last Supper window. The hunter says it's under the Ascension window. So who knows?

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
(he is hiding in my bedroom)

Then WHO is the guy that's hiding in MY bedroom?

annieisnotokey wrote:

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
(he is hiding in my bedroom)

Then WHO is the guy that's hiding in MY bedroom?

Sorry girls those are look-A-likes i tell mike you two said Hi oké?

Sorry very OFF-TOPIC:oops: but the closed the (god bless it)ughm older girls topic ;)GOLDEN PANTS BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Sorry very childish:S:P but i couldnt help it

Sorry guys but you know what? I belive MJ is not even at Forrest lawn

Why you ask? Think about this? Do you really think his family would bury

MJ when CLEARLY Mj stated in PUBLIC.. his wish NEVER to be buried!!!!

Also if indeed MJ did really die, then trust me it wasnt on June 25th 09

Ive not been on for a while cause ive been re searching into this and

My thoughts are this,,, if infact he is truley passed on...To avoid any

media etc etc MJ was cremated as he wished. Also this is about the $$$$

so Im thinking, media ,family, waited then... annonced MJs death on
June 25th all Planned!!! and decoy was used.

Now Im only saying this IF indeed MJ really did pass away.
...................................................................................
Im 100% convinced MJ did not announce the 02 shows...

Ive researched into this and saw a interview with the British guy
who introduced MJ on stage that day and even ,he had some

concerns!!!! that it wasnt MJ....hummmmmmmmmmmmm

MJ was there though I have 2 pics to show this, but MJ
looked not well...

I ask this if you guys can help id like to post the 2 pics side by side
so you can Clearly see what im saying here.

But theres more!!!!! If indeed this is a hoax, then the coroners van
is the real deal.....NOT staged by German media,

The ambulance pic is either a decoy or a manniquine only!!!!

MJ was long gone....Doctor Murray is part of the plan..

Children being unmasked suddenly 1 month before MJ was to pass over.

I know you all think that MJ was with his children in that pic...Sorry Im not so sure now. If indeed Mj had already passed away then the family had to reveal the
children and start the ball rolling.

MJ has stated many times he thought people were after him...did the stress or someone FINALLY take matters into their own hands? Before June 25th 09?

MEDIA is a powerful sorce...Maybe bigger than MJ himself!!!!

THis IS IT Doco....100 hrs of footage yes?

What the movie very carefully casue now im thinking MJ maybe only played
a small part in this....Thats where you will pick up some clues!!!

The footage we have all seen thus far is not MJ at all, but a double.

Theres more i need to say but I have to put it all together.

So Im going to rewrite my theroy cause Its wrong!! in part.

Annie this message for you...Im thinking you may also be close

to knowing in apart what really happened, but in reality only his family

and a very few handful of people know whats going on behind

closed doors...And as far as his family are concerned that door is
closed for now...and i say for now only....

Its like pandoras box!!!!

Time to open it, if we are able too...thats a big IF

Keep the Faith

Pinkshots wrote:
Annie this message for you...Im thinking you may also be close to knowing in apart what really happened

Do think I know DA TROOT?

BTW, Michael is alive in MY TROOT and I'd like to keep him that way.

Annie...Lets hope so my friend. We will I hope find out in time.

Pinkshots wrote:Sorry guys but you know what? I belive MJ is not even at Forrest lawn

Why you ask? Think about this? Do you really think his family would bury

MJ when CLEARLY Mj stated in PUBLIC.. his wish NEVER to be buried!!!!

Also if indeed MJ did really die, then trust me it wasnt on June 25th 09

Ive not been on for a while cause ive been re searching into this and

My thoughts are this,,, if infact he is truley passed on...To avoid any

media etc etc MJ was cremated as he wished. Also this is about the $$$$

so Im thinking, media ,family, waited then... annonced MJs death on
June 25th all Planned!!! and decoy was used.

Now Im only saying this IF indeed MJ really did pass away.
...................................................................................
Im 100% convinced MJ did not announce the 02 shows...

Ive researched into this and saw a interview with the British guy
who introduced MJ on stage that day and even ,he had some

concerns!!!! that it wasnt MJ....hummmmmmmmmmmmm

MJ was there though I have 2 pics to show this, but MJ
looked not well...

I ask this if you guys can help id like to post the 2 pics side by side
so you can Clearly see what im saying here.

But theres more!!!!! If indeed this is a hoax, then the coroners van
is the real deal.....NOT staged by German media,

The ambulance pic is either a decoy or a manniquine only!!!!

MJ was long gone....Doctor Murray is part of the plan..

Children being unmasked suddenly 1 month before MJ was to pass over.

I know you all think that MJ was with his children in that pic...Sorry Im not so sure now. If indeed Mj had already passed away then the family had to reveal the
children and start the ball rolling.

MJ has stated many times he thought people were after him...did the stress or someone FINALLY take matters into their own hands? Before June 25th 09?

MEDIA is a powerful sorce...Maybe bigger than MJ himself!!!!

THis IS IT Doco....100 hrs of footage yes?

What the movie very carefully casue now im thinking MJ maybe only played
a small part in this....Thats where you will pick up some clues!!!

The footage we have all seen thus far is not MJ at all, but a double.

Theres more i need to say but I have to put it all together.

So Im going to rewrite my theroy cause Its wrong!! in part.

Annie this message for you...Im thinking you may also be close

to knowing in apart what really happened, but in reality only his family

and a very few handful of people know whats going on behind

closed doors...And as far as his family are concerned that door is
closed for now...and i say for now only....

Its like pandoras box!!!!

Time to open it, if we are able too...thats a big IF

Keep the Faith

Michael said he WANTED to be buried!

These where(are) his words:

I want to be buried right were there is children.. i would feel safer that way.
I want them next to me.
I need their spirit.

So if he really is "dead", why isnt he buried as he wished?

see you tube movie mj tapes about 1.00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCWVlKbUWZU

PINKSHOTS, nice post. Since I joined this forum, I've been trying to tell you guys that everything is staged. Even the Forest Lawn photos with gifts offered to MJ has to be done to complete the Forest Lawn chapter. The gifts beautified their drama. Thanks HEAVYHEARTS for the link.

the king and I...he also stated in another interview which i will find and post

that he never wanted to be buried...yes i agree he would want to be with his children but unless he changed his mind then he did not want to be buried.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CmsBCSoxPY MJ clearly says he
wouldnt ever want to be buried!!!

juliet...yes i agree 100%....ive wanted to post that for along time now but
was afraid of other peoples responses...You are so right my friend!!!

(the children I mean)

Interesting thoughts guys

However, I am interested to know what would be the reasoning behind Michael "hiring" children to play the part of his children besides him been able to be with his children. If this is true do you believe that he and the parents of these children would allow them to be hounded? They are going to be followed and photographed for years to come.

I think those are Michael's children, but I also believe he is in regular contact with them. I know he wouldn't be able to go ahead with this if it meant leaving behind for a long period of time.

PINKSHOTS, I just edited my previous post because I didn't like to hurt anybody's feeling about Michael's children. But were you able to read my unedited post?

I did read somewhere that he didn't want to be buried and I remember reading that he wanted to be buried and he also said that he wanted to live forever which as we know isn't physically possible but we all believe in the hoax so in my opinion he ain't buried or cremated and is alive but wont live forever and as I said in another thread to all the believers in the hoax-what happens when he really dies? where will they bury him?

Harleyblonde wrote:I did read somewhere that he didn't want to be buried and I remember reading that he wanted to be buried and he also said that he wanted to live forever which as we know isn't physically possible but we all believe in the hoax so in my opinion he ain't buried or cremated and is alive but wont live forever and as I said in another thread to all the believers in the hoax-what happens when he really dies? where will they bury him?

I think Michael needs to make up his mind already.

Harleyblonde wrote:I did read somewhere that he didn't want to be buried and I remember reading that he wanted to be buried and he also said that he wanted to live forever which as we know isn't physically possible but we all believe in the hoax so in my opinion he ain't buried or cremated and is alive but wont live forever and as I said in another thread to all the believers in the hoax-what happens when he really dies? where will they bury him?

I said some time back in another thread (before the memorial) that the easiet thing for the Jackson's to do would be to "cremate" Michael because then they wouldn't have all these questions about the burial spot. I still think that would have been easier for them to do so I don't understand why this didn't happen.

Rach wrote:Interesting thoughts guys

However, I am interested to know what would be the reasoning behind Michael "hiring" children to play the part of his children besides him been able to be with his children. If this is true do you believe that he and the parents of these children would allow them to be hounded? They are going to be followed and photographed for years to come.

I think those are Michael's children, but I also believe he is in regular contact with them. I know he wouldn't be able to go ahead with this if it meant leaving behind for a long period of time.

Rach...Think about this mate?? Those children maybe dont have parents.. or they have come from
a very poor background...a perfect reason why MJ would have these children involved!!!

Their futures are in place for them and MJ has helped them in more ways than we know.
They have been trained so to speak!!! from birth.....I know that sounds bad, but Mj has
really saved them if you get my drift!! All along MJ kids have been kept away from
the media and we have never seen the real children..which is exactly what MJ wanted
from day 1....Debbie Rowe is not their mother either...She is the mother of the 2 children
we have never seen.. How scared was Mj of his children being seen in public? Really
scared. The a month before he so called dies he unmasks them?? No way.

That person who unmasked those children was not Michael Jackson!!!
He was already gone with his children. Is he behind this charrade??
If its not a sinister thing or he was sick then ..YES very much so.

juliet yes mate i did and your right on the money girl!!!

Harleyblonde wrote:I did read somewhere that he didn't want to be buried and I remember reading that he wanted to be buried and he also said that he wanted to live forever which as we know isn't physically possible but we all believe in the hoax so in my opinion he ain't buried or cremated and is alive but wont live forever and as I said in another thread to all the believers in the hoax-what happens when he really dies? where will they bury him?

And you know what?? If this is a hoax and MJ chooses not to come back then, we his fans will never know hes really died!!! Somethink to think about

@ Pinkshots

I understand where you are coming from 100% and that was a great explanation!

However, I think we will agree to disagree on this one. I believe that those children we saw at the memorial and since are Michael's.

I just wanted to alert people to this thread:

https://mjkit.forumotion.net/the-jackson-family-f34/i-know-why-the-kids-ids-were-revealed-just-weeks-before-6-25-t294.htm?highlight=the+kids

Bec makes a great argument as to why the kids were revealed when they were. I'm not trying to sway anyone's opinions but you may find it interesting to read

To protect them.

Common sense and logic, it will lead you to the truth.

Under California law, DNA is irrelevant when it comes to questioning parentage IF the child was born into a marraige AND the parents names are entered on the birth certificate AND the parentage is not challenged for 3 years.

So, many rumors are flying that Prince and Paris are not bio-kids to MJ, right? Blanket on the other hand, most believe is MJs bio-kid.

Here, i'll break it down slowly.

Rumors are flying following MJs "death". These rumors would be easily foreseen following the death of MJ, as he is MJ, and his life was shrouded in one big rumor and ugly press, it only stands to reason that the gossip would intensify following his passing. The kids and their parentage are an obvious topic of debate, considering their complexion and the secrecy surrounding them. It's a no-brainer that they would be the subject of speculation and rumor, right? The very reason MJ protected them their whole lives by concealing their identities.

So, a couple weeks before 6/25, Paris and Prince are seen in public for the very first time unmasked.

WHY???

Well, if you follow logic and common sense and look at state law, the reason is obvious.

Because Paris and Prince were unmasked shortly before 6/25 we KNOW they are the MJ kids, under the definition of California law. They were born to Debbie Rowe while she was married to MJ, his name is on the BC, and they are obviously living with MJ as his children, thanks to the pic we have from early June, no one would (or has) contested these facts.

If anyone comes forward now and claims parentage by DNA, and it MATCHES.... well too bad, under CA law, the time for contesting parentage has run out years ago and it cannot be challenged in court. It is too late by 8 years or so. They were born to a married couple, MJ is on the BC, and the kids have lived with MJ as their father from birth. CA law prevents anyone, even a bio-parent, not listed on the BC, from coming forward and gaining custody.

IF, however, we had not seen these kids unmasked in early June, one or both of their bio fathers could come forward and try to take them away claiming DNA match AND making some crazy claim that the kid(s) never lived with MJ at all and the claim that MJ acted as parent all these years to this particular kid (Paris or Prince or both) is a lie.

In other words, if MJ wasn't seen with them recently, it could be argued in court that Paris and Prince are not the same little kids seen in old home movies or family photos, and with a DNA match, someone could make a legal argument for taking them away, totally within CA law.

But those unmasked pics from early June make this imposible, within the stipulation of the state law, regardless of DNA.

Got all that? Hopefully. Because it shows extreme forethought and the great painS Michael went through to ensure all this was done within legal guidelines ahead of time. All the i's were dotted, all the t's crossed, perfection, right down to the legal framework of the plan.

Yes Rach bec is right on this but>>>>>>lets break this down abit here
If the children had no parents to start with..why would anyone come forward
to claim the children??? never going to happen. The old saying you are a
product of your inviroment!!!!! Im not saying that The children dint live at
Neverland or with MJ but consider this maybe...could have Mjs real
children and these children all lived with MJ? just we never saw his
real children? A father would go to great lenghts to protect his
children..In a way MJ saved these children from a life of misery etc etc
and he knew one day he would be escaping the life he hated so
much and the pain he has sufferd by way of the media etc etc
The family (Jacksons) and the children when they were old enough already knew this from day 1
and all the plans were put in motion along time ago?

Of course the children have been seen in home movies as babies etc etc
all part of the plan Rach!!! This would never work for Mj if he didnt
atleast make home movies with the children occasionally and it was
rare true?

Then 1 month before MJ was to die..it was also planned to reveal
the children, so they would not be taken away from the life and family
they indeed grew up with. To be in Limbo so to speak!!!

I don't believe for one second that the kids we see aren't his real children, but prop children used in public for the last 12 years...that's just way too far-fetched imo, even for a hoax theory.

ILuvUMoreMJ wrote:I don't believe for one second that the kids we see aren't his real children, but prop children used in public for the last 12 years...that's just way too far-fetched imo, even for a hoax theory.

Agreed. You can tell even through the veils that they are the same kids.
Prop kids is an insane idea

Only thing is that MJ did wish to be buried
He wanted to be buried around children
he said in the recently released tapes

[quote="Rach"]

Harleyblonde wrote:I did read somewhere that he didn't want to be buried and I remember reading that he wanted to be buried and he also said that he wanted to live forever which as we know isn't physically possible but we all believe in the hoax so in my opinion he ain't buried or cremated and is alive but wont live forever and as I said in another thread to all the believers in the hoax-what happens when he really dies? where will they bury him?

I said some time back in another thread (before the memorial) that the easiet thing for the Jackson's to do would be to "cremate" Michael because then they wouldn't have all these questions about the burial spot. I still think that would have been easier for them to do so I don't understand why this didn't happen.[/quot

Rach...Maybe thats what did happen and people dont know it!!

[quote="HeavyHearts"]

ILuvUMoreMJ wrote:I don't believe for one second that the kids we see aren't his real children, but prop children used in public for the last 12 years...that's just way too far-fetched imo, even for a hoax theory.

Agreed. You can tell even through the veils that they are the same kids.
Prop kids is an insane idea [/quot

No One is saying that their not the same children of course they are!! That was not my point.
My point was think about the lengths a father like MJ would do to protect his children from the spotlight.
You really need to understand where im comming from with my statement!! Hey Im not saying im right
on this but think outside that box!! Its not a insane idea at all to be honest!!

ILuvUMoreMJ wrote:I don't believe for one second that the kids we see aren't his real children, but prop children used in public for the last 12 years...that's just way too far-fetched imo, even for a hoax theory.

I agree with you.

Rach wrote:Interesting thoughts guys

However, I am interested to know what would be the reasoning behind Michael "hiring" children to play the part of his children besides him been able to be with his children. If this is true do you believe that he and the parents of these children would allow them to be hounded? They are going to be followed and photographed for years to come.

I think those are Michael's children, but I also believe he is in regular contact with them. I know he wouldn't be able to go ahead with this if it meant leaving behind for a long period of time.

If they arent his children, they could have been adopted? but thats a lot of work to get 3 kids and leave them behind with yet another stranger (Mikes mom)
Just dont know anymore :/

hm i've seen some other pictures.. but they seem sort of photoshopped and strange to me.. take a look at this: