Re: UCLA June 25 Witness Report

by Crescendo Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:54 pm

omg SOmeone in the dark.

you were there the day of and before??

tell us more UCLA June 25 Witness Report - Page 3 Icon_biggrin

by SPAKKLE29FUL Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:55 pm

i saw a video on yt a while back and it is definetly thome there,but why did he go to the chopper, also something odd is going on on yt

by mjj_fan Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:08 pm

why it happens to me all the time i come to forum read post to keep my hopes alive but just before logging out i read something that depress me . You know the trashcan thing was discuss many times and to me it was one of major clue that the whole scene was shot someother day but now as you said ...... oh God .. gradually and slowly some doubts are getting clearer and clearer like i said in my previous post before watching TII everyone was sure that body doubles were used but after it release no one said that anymore . God please give me strength to e deal with whole situation UCLA June 25 Witness Report - Page 3 Icon_cry

by GirlInTheMirror1 Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:18 pm

SomeoneInTheDarkForMe wrote:June 25th

Note:trashcans still there
PS It wasn't too hot, I remember I was wearing a sweater both days I was there.

next day, bombarded by fans and media

note:trashcans STILL there

Thanks for your pictures.
Also wondering about the fire truck..
but isnt no 71 the same number as on the ambulance??

by ONESTEPCLOSER Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:19 pm

yeah apparently

by juliet Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:24 pm

Wow, SOMEONEINTHEDARK, thanks for the pics. Can you tell us more of what you saw on that day? PLEASE

And apparently, there were so many people outside MJ's house, why wasn't the siren of the ambulance on - they should have it on to warn people to clear the way because there's an emergency, right?

And the vids they showed on that day was the ambulance backing up slowly into the garage. Fishy, fishy, fishy.

by anotherpartofme Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:35 pm

SOMEONEINTHEDARK - thanks... and tell us more...

by TouchedByAnAngel Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:16 pm

I don't know if anybody has speculated this but here it goes...

I like most of you think this whole thing was a hoax. So since nobody saw his body, who is to say he even left his house in the ambulance? It could have been a mannequin on the stretcher or wrapped in the sheet. I saw an interview with La Toya a while back and she said she went to MJ's house at around 11:30 that night. I also remember seeing footage of her with a moving truck taking stuff from his house. Could he have been put into the moving truck and relocated somewhere else? Did the media follow her and watch to see where she went and what came out of that truck?

by juliet Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:22 pm

Yes, TOUCHEDBYANANGEL, that's the reason why this thread was opened to welcome those people who witnessed something so as to guide our speculations of maybeS

by SPAKKLE29FUL Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:34 pm

yeah they did clear it out fast

by lisap27 Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:08 pm

i was wondering about the fire truck..

just looks like its randomly parked there!! UCLA June 25 Witness Report - Page 3 Icon_eek

theres nothing around it or no-one near it!!

any ideas or have i missed something? UCLA June 25 Witness Report - Page 3 Suspect

by SPAKKLE29FUL Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:13 pm

yeah it just looks like is dumped there the mind boggles

by mjgirl86 Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:20 pm

I know, I was looking at that... what's it mean?..

by Léa Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:28 pm

About the firetruck : If it wasn't usefull I think that they maybe wanted to use it as a distraction. I mean they may wanted to put MJ in it so as to let him escape or something, while, they pretended he was in the ambulance.
But I wonder how they wanted to explain why it was here...

Or maybe a fireman lives next to MJ ^^

by SomeoneInTheDarkForMe Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:52 pm

The firetruck was parked outside, because the ambulance was inside and it is too big to pull in there.
As for backing up/pulling out slowly, it is a very narrow yet busy street, you have to be careful pulling out into it. I'm sure it's difficult turn into the street with a larger vehicle as well. The driveway of his houe is also narrow and curved. I wish I could explain, you can't see it though unless the gates open, and even then, only briefly and from a distance.

I do not know if the ambulance was still inside or already left when I got there. I think it had left already, since everone was gone. The firetruck left as I was leaving. I saw them go back to the station. Station number 71, I believe, which is why the paramedic was number 71 as well. It was a paramedic, not hospital ambulance. (I will take a photo of the station next time I'm down there. I have seen this very truck AND the ambulance since that day, parked at the station. Both are theirs.)
The firefighters driving the truck looked upset/shocked/unnerved,whatever you want all it, there were emotions visible when they got out of their truck at the station. I do not think they were in on it

Touchebyanangel has a good point. It is possible he left in the moving vans. No one
would have seen, despite media being parked out front, the vans pulled into the gates.

No, no firemen "live next" to him. That is all his property.There is a house in the very corner, in front, their gate/entrance is accessible through the back.
No one would be parked there, ever. There's no parking on that side of the street, the firetruck is at a red curb.

by miranda Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:15 pm

Since I´m not US citizen I´ve to ask. Is there something like "private doctors" who "rent" beds in a hospital for there own patients? If so it could be that MJ was bring to such a "private room" where the normaly UCLA doctors have no rights for treatment (or to sign death documents) and because that there was no information by nurses or doctors given. UCLA June 25 Witness Report - Page 3 Icon_scratch

And because it´s Hollywood I wouldn`t wonder the paramedics (and the 911call) are staged. UCLA June 25 Witness Report - Page 3 Icon_basketball

by SomeoneInTheDarkForMe Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:34 pm

Miranda, yes there are "private" rooms which can be bought for rich people/celebrities, but in an emergency I have never heard of such a thing. The ER doctor would be in charge.

As I said, I don't think the firemen were in on it and it was their real ambulance, but that's not to say the paramedics that were sent weren't involved.
I think it's all on a need to know basis. Those with the highest authority and directly involved need to be in on it(chief of police, coroner, ER doctor, Murray, attending paramedics, etc). All others are just pawns and are clueless.

by Kirsche Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:00 pm

I saw a video on youtbe ( can't find it anymore) with Marlon and Randy in a white van with tinted back windows and side windows. This video was made on june 27th....

so here's the link.....and take a close look at the backseats....

https://www.youtube.com/user/hollywoodtv#p/search/35/UiFT4BDR0iA

by Sweet1 Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:03 pm

SomeoneInTheDarkForMe you said a mouthful with this statement: All others are just pawns and are clueless.

I honestly feel there are alot of pawns in this HOAX. More than we have come to realize thus far. Keep the Faith!

by SomeoneInTheDarkForMe Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:20 pm

Kirsche wrote:I saw a video on youtbe ( can't find it anymore) with Marlon and Randy in a white van with tinted back windows and side windows. This video was made on june 27th....

so here's the link.....and take a close look at the backseats....

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https://www.youtube.com/user/hollywoodtv#p/search/35/UiFT4BDR0iA[/quote[/url]]

Yes, I've seen this over and over and can't figure it out. It seems like it could be him, don't it? They are leaving the Encino house and looking THRILLED, two ways after their brother has died....

by Ninanina Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:20 pm

MJThrillsMe wrote:I used to be a nurse and worked in the ER. When a patient arrived with cardiac arrest/heart attack, all attention goes to that heart patient. So, there are a lot of people involved in that situation. Now, when a patient dies, it is the ER doctor who informs the family--NOT THE NURSE--as was described by Dileo on Larry King.

The coroner said "there was no doctor to sign the DC" ...yeah right, Ed... no Doctor.

SomeoneInTheDarkForMe wrote:No it was on Thursday. I was there.
The trashcans were emptied the
day prior, while I was also there. There were lots of fans a paparazzi
there the day before, all day and night, it was definitely not filmed
then.
Those trash cans out were empty but still there the next day and the day after.

Thanks for your pics, SomeoneInTheDarkForMe.
How many Paparazzi do you think you saw?

If there were so many papz and fans the day before, I wonder why there were only FOUR papz being "all over the ambulance" as was said by the StarLiner driver. And those 4 paparazzi were from only two companies - 2 from National Photo Group, and 2 from Hollywood TV.
All the tabloid papz and rubbernecks had 40 mins to get there, but they didn't.

Remember how Britney Spears was followed to the hospital? THAT was crazy!
And that's, what I would have expected in Michael's case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oKR7XTKg_w

by SPAKKLE29FUL Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:23 pm

Kirsche, that video was really clear there are a couple more on yt but not that clear,and yes who is in the back seat.and those brothers blinded me with there smiles only 2 days after michael died. seeing things like this will never make me believe he is dead it just makes me more determined to prove what we all know and that is he is alive.so until he comes back i will be here everyday how ever long it takes

by SomeoneInTheDarkForMe Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:41 pm

Ninanina wrote:
MJThrillsMe wrote:I used to be a nurse and worked in the ER. When a patient arrived with cardiac arrest/heart attack, all attention goes to that heart patient. So, there are a lot of people involved in that situation. Now, when a patient dies, it is the ER doctor who informs the family--NOT THE NURSE--as was described by Dileo on Larry King.

The coroner said "there was no doctor to sign the DC" ...yeah right, Ed... no Doctor.

SomeoneInTheDarkForMe wrote:No it was on Thursday. I was there.
The trashcans were emptied the
day prior, while I was also there. There were lots of fans a paparazzi
there the day before, all day and night, it was definitely not filmed
then.
Those trash cans out were empty but still there the next day and the day after.

Thanks for your pics, SomeoneInTheDarkForMe.
How many Paparazzi do you think you saw?

If there were so many papz and fans the day before, I wonder why there were only FOUR papz being "all over the ambulance" as was said by the StarLiner driver. And those 4 paparazzi were from only two companies - 2 from National Photo Group, and 2 from Hollywood TV.
All the tabloid papz and rubbernecks had 40 mins to get there, but they didn't.

Remember how Britney Spears was followed to the hospital? THAT was crazy!
And that's, what I would have expected in Michael's case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oKR7XTKg_w

There were maybe 2-3 photographers that I saw on the 24th, the rest were fans and autograph dealers.
The thing is paps are LAZY. This was in the daytime, they usually don't even start their day until around 4-5pm, they stalk all night at clubs and bars in Hollywood til 2-3am, so they usually start work late.
Hollywoodtv is more flexible. He is everywhere at all times. He is also friends with many of the autograph dealers, so maybe one that was there at the time called him, and he and his friend came over? That's what I think, I know for a fact the autograph dealers were there again that day.

I'm shocked that TMZ didn't send someone out there. They got the story first yet they didn't have anyone out there?
They are usually everywhere ASAP, especially if Hollywoodtv is there. The guy that was hit by Mike Tyson at LAX recently, he's usually around Hollywood/BH. I am starting to think TMZ is in on it. They leaked it first,yet didn't bother to send someone out, that's ridiculous. Harvey IS a lawyer...

No doctors in a huge, world reknown hospital that is also part of a med school....LMAO Good one. UCLA June 25 Witness Report - Page 3 Icon_rolleyes

by Léa Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:41 pm

Kirsche wrote:I saw a video on youtbe ( can't find it anymore) with Marlon and Randy in a white van with tinted back windows and side windows. This video was made on june 27th....

so here's the link.....and take a close look at the backseats....

https://www.youtube.com/user/hollywoodtv#p/search/35/UiFT4BDR0iA

Isn't it a bit strange that they would have stop to chat if Michael was on the back of the car ?
They for sure look happy. And happy that they are being talked about ! What didn't they at least fake their was sad ?

by Kirsche Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:48 pm

I really don't know what to think about this video....When i first watched i was like UCLA June 25 Witness Report - Page 3 Fresse

and I watched over and over again...maybe it is him but that wouldn't fit with my Beverly-Hills-Hotel theory in another thread here... but otherwise: Nobody would expect, that Michael's sittin in the backseat

by ziffes Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:49 pm

Ninanina wrote:
MJThrillsMe wrote:I used to be a nurse and worked in the ER. When a patient arrived with cardiac arrest/heart attack, all attention goes to that heart patient. So, there are a lot of people involved in that situation. Now, when a patient dies, it is the ER doctor who informs the family--NOT THE NURSE--as was described by Dileo on Larry King.

The coroner said "there was no doctor to sign the DC" ...yeah right, Ed... no Doctor.

SomeoneInTheDarkForMe wrote:No it was on Thursday. I was there.
The trashcans were emptied the
day prior, while I was also there. There were lots of fans a paparazzi
there the day before, all day and night, it was definitely not filmed
then.
Those trash cans out were empty but still there the next day and the day after.

Thanks for your pics, SomeoneInTheDarkForMe.
How many Paparazzi do you think you saw?

If there were so many papz and fans the day before, I wonder why there were only FOUR papz being "all over the ambulance" as was said by the StarLiner driver. And those 4 paparazzi were from only two companies - 2 from National Photo Group, and 2 from Hollywood TV.
All the tabloid papz and rubbernecks had 40 mins to get there, but they didn't.

Remember how Britney Spears was followed to the hospital? THAT was crazy!
And that's, what I would have expected in Michael's case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oKR7XTKg_w

GOOD LORD... the papz are relly horrible... im chocked.. not a human feeling to be seen... really disgusting Evil or Very Mad

by lisap27 Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:54 pm

again i'm confused!!

Remember how Britney Spears was followed to the hospital? THAT was crazy!
And that's, what I would have expected in Michael's case.

seeing as the tabloids knew this is where michael was!!

is there any video's of the ambulance en-route to the hospital!! not sure
if i've missed that link somewhere.. but the media was everywhere over
britney!!

WERE TALKIN ABOUT MICHAEL JACKSON!! UCLA June 25 Witness Report - Page 3 Icon_cheers

as i said dunno if i have i missed it.. but where are the helicopters and
everything of him en-route to the hospital!! following the ambulance or even cars
following it!!

again sorry if i missed the link please post it to settle my mind
if you have it!! thanks!! Smile

by Kirsche Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:01 pm

there is non I guess? cause no paparrazo followed the ambulance

by lisap27 Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:04 pm

yeah but why??

ITS MICHAEL JACKSON!!

sorry feel i need to shout that bit!!

by Kirsche Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:08 pm

lisap27 wrote:yeah but why??

ITS MICHAEL JACKSON!!

sorry feel i need to shout that bit!!

IDK....I'm just thinkin about the Ben Evenstad Slip Up "that day and the other d....uuuhh" maybe ambulance-thing has been filmed earlier ? that could explain why just he and another guy was there taking pictures

by mjssoulmate Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:15 pm

someone must have followed the ambulance to the hospital, because in one of the vid you can see the ambulance from the rear rushing down a street, followed by 2 black SUVs. Unless it was Randy Phillips filming while following.

by lisap27 Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:16 pm

that would make perfect sence!!

but then u get can't remember the name.. (Sorry) posting pictures of the day
and the day after!!
just doesn't make sence!!

but going off the no media coverage this would support the theory of 2 days.. why there was no clips or anything..

i hate to use britney as an example.. but she is NO MICHAEL JACKSON!!
and look at what surrounded her!!

and that was just because she locked herself in a bathroom..

i mean is there any comparison!! I DON'T THINK SO!!

its so frustrating!! UCLA June 25 Witness Report - Page 3 Icon_cry

but is all for L.O.V.E!! Smile

p.s i'm not shouting.. just venting a bit!! Smile

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