Michael Jackson & Double were caught in video..New Evide

We always questioning about a double and we even discuss about this further in here :
https://mjkit.forumotion.net/the-movie-theory-for-all-theories-regarding-the-movie-theory-f16/some-thoughts-on-the-twin-theory-t3655.htm#87871

After watch the video what do you think??

I see no mirror..and if you pay attention closely the body movement was different between them. If it was mirror image they should move the same way.

DO you watch a movie entitled "The Prestige"
Remember how Christian Bale who had a body double sharing everything with the double so does no one become the real and no one become the fake?

Visit here so you can see the pattern:
https://mjkit.forumotion.net/the-movie-theory-for-all-theories-regarding-the-movie-theory-f16/some-thoughts-on-the-twin-theory-t3655.htm#87871

you are not the only one who is confused so am i

Well, we discussed all the things mentioned but..there's one thing that struck me : This is it the cd ..produced by Michael??!

All I can say is WOOOOW what a good find well done .

Interesting "Dave Dave" "Tohme Tohme" "2 weeks"

I did not see any mirror, the movements were totally different.

I did not know that Michael had 2 passports, and there are 2 death certificates.

This leads back to TNZ who have posted side by side pictures of MJ and Double MJ.

So either no one died, or the double of MJ died?

If you have not yet read Annie's theory, you should.

After Michael returned from Bahrain, since 2007 you never saw him in public without the mask ... Also if you didnt watch it yesterday search for the post DECONSTRUCTING Michael Jackson - That video series is great and the parts from part 14 - 20 are very good and also confirm that there are no pictures of Michael without the mask on from 07 on until just before he disappeared.

Yes, and finally we can beat anyone who said "Michael would never do this and put his family, his children into something like this"

He was shopping with his children, those children were aware about the doubles and the (IMHO) aware about the purpose of the doubles..They were into it.

Yes he would never hurt his children but in this case none of his children were hurt..They are part of it..Considering unique circumstance that they already have had since they were born perhaps helping faking their father's death wasn't such a big deal anymore.

Watching that video really gets me mad - I hate that the children had to press through that mob of people just to get into the store!!! These are adults and they dont know how to act at all!

cantstoplovingu, i agree the media and the mobs should leave the children alone they should be allowed to live like children and not exhibits

theres a whole wall of mirror at the back of the shop at 1.45 you can see the back of there heads reflecting

I do following the series you were mentioned from LunaJo..and if you're not aware actually there are 3 death certificates, with 3 barcodes, and no doctor signature from any of it. A youtuber named J0Y4Fools made it. But I havent read annie's theory. Can you help me with the link pls?

And yes I agreed that no one is dead or MJ's bosy double was sick from years ago and MJ saw an opportunity to do something big with his double's death. SO, he started to plan it.

CantStopLovingU wrote:Interesting "Dave Dave" "Tohme Tohme" "2 weeks"

I did not see any mirror, the movements were totally different.

I did not know that Michael had 2 passports, and there are 2 death certificates.

This leads back to TNZ who have posted side by side pictures of MJ and Double MJ.

So either no one died, or the double of MJ died?

If you have not yet read Annie's theory, you should.

After Michael returned from Bahrain, since 2007 you never saw him in public without the mask ... Also if you didnt watch it yesterday search for the post DECONSTRUCTING Michael Jackson - That video series is great and the parts from part 14 - 20 are very good and also confirm that there are no pictures of Michael without the mask on from 07 on until just before he disappeared.

Someone has pieced this video together to make it look like there are 2 MJ's but if u stop the clip at :51 you can see there appears to be 2 sets of the kids too. No doubles just someone messing with this video.

I too have wondered what Michael really looks like since we haven't seen him w/o mask...has he completely changed his features, has one of the imposters had more surgery & was visiting Dr. Klein, etc, etc.... so many questions.

for me the most wierd in all this double theory is the name:MICHAEL JOE JACKSON AND MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON. In 2005 trial we all heard JOE but i remember perfectly in a court deposition in mid nineties he spelled his name JOSEPH JACKSON. most of the other ones can me explained. MJ at Ed Hardy in green I still think it's a mirror, we don't see it but it should be somewhere. At 0:21 michael points at smth and both hands move the same way, only after that it looks like one is moving and the other doesn't. but if there is no mirror how come we see the upper part of one of the kid's mask double as well?
the death certificates...I don't know why they are 2..I don't know if this is unusual, I don't know the law in US. Maybe someone who lives there can help...(actually I heard there are 3 certificates!).
Dr Thome Thome some thought he was a doctor but he is actually a business counselor or smth like that..
The passport are strange as well- how can we know that they are not fake? analyzing a fake document is useless.
911 call - I heard there are 3 versions..my opinion is there is only one version it's just some parts were cut or added (in some there is no address or the strange woman voice). That doesn't' mean there is more than one version.
the jacket - those are 2 different jakcets - one is completely white and the other one is light beige with small lines. BUT there are pics with the same beige jacket with the armband on different arm..They did a trick with the image some kind of flip, but it is the same person.
smooth criminal - for the jump through the glass and that slide off the stairs I'm sure they used a double. That is nothing unexpected..

IUsed2Dream "I too have wondered what Michael really looks like since we haven't
seen him w/o mask...has he completely changed his features, has one of
the imposters had more surgery & was visiting Dr. Klein, etc,
etc.... so many questions." I completely agree with that...In the pictures i saw this year march, April he looks completely different everytime. ..

Ok...I just watched again....at 51 there IS a mirror.....look to the right and you will see the reflection Prince........but there are still 2 mj's..

ok I'm convince that he's using body doubles, now my question is what is the connection of that to his "death"? I mean, proving that he used body doubles doesn't prove he's alive right? can someone explain relevance of this 'cause I'm really confused. tnx

DooDoo wrote:Well, we discussed all the things mentioned but..there's one thing that struck me : This is it the cd ..produced by Michael??!

yeah..i saw it when i was checking the cd out in a music store, but nothing came in mind. am i too slow or what?

i think the mirror is placed about 45 degrees. u can see the reflection of that panther thing on the wall. there is a mirror...mirrored wall...the angle of the wall where the door is reflected in the mirror and the mirrored wall is 45 degrees. i think that explains why we see like there were 2 mjs in that store. we only see the movement of mj's reflection because mj was behind that man and i believe the movements are all the same. this is just what i saw. i'm sorry if i offended anyone.

I know many of you believe there are no mirrors, but there are. If you go to MJJPictures.com and look at the photos of MJ in this store (there are many), you will see the mirrors all over that store. And the angle in which the video was shot is a factor too. Obviously, there's no harm in thinking that were no mirrors and two MJ's. But that's not what I see or believe. I see mirrors and one MJ. Why would MJ need to have a double go shopping with him then? And why wouldn't anyone who was there that day have reported on it or spoken to the media about it? That would have been a HUGE story for the tabloids to run with. And there were a LOT of people in the store, photographers outside, etc. So if there were 2 MJ's, it should have made the news, but it didn't. Just my thoughts.

Great find! Now the number came up to be 2 instead of 7!

Ms. Wendy wrote:

We always questioning about a double and we even discuss about this further in here :
https://mjkit.forumotion.net/the-movie-theory-for-all-theories-regarding-the-movie-theory-f16/some-thoughts-on-the-twin-theory-t3655.htm#87871

After watch the video what do you think??

I must say, that picture of MJ (your sig) is the most handsome photo of him I've ever seen! Wowwwww!

the photo of smooth criminal strike me the most...

Christiana wrote:I know many of you believe there are no mirrors, but there are. If you go to MJJPictures.com and look at the photos of MJ in this store (there are many), you will see the mirrors all over that store. And the angle in which the video was shot is a factor too. Obviously, there's no harm in thinking that were no mirrors and two MJ's. But that's not what I see or believe. I see mirrors and one MJ. Why would MJ need to have a double go shopping with him then? And why wouldn't anyone who was there that day have reported on it or spoken to the media about it? That would have been a HUGE story for the tabloids to run with. And there were a LOT of people in the store, photographers outside, etc. So if there were 2 MJ's, it should have made the news, but it didn't. Just my thoughts.

My thoughts exactly. Also, I think Michael wouldn't be so careless. If he used a double, then that means he didn't want to be at the store. No point in him standing next to him. Michael did use doubles and when he did, he did it well! That's why we have to work so hard to figure out when

THERE IS NO DOUBLE IN THE ED HARDY SHOP IT'S A MIRROR PEOPLE

theres a whole wall of mirror at the back of the shop at 1.45 you can see the back of there heads reflecting



so that when Michael is facing the dealer ,person form the "mirror" is rotated forward to Michael .. so it is certainly not a reflection

They make different movements, when you're reflected in a mirror, your reflected image must make the same movements as you. And both of them are turned to the same side, I think when you turn your back to a mirror, it's your back, not your face, that's going to be reflected. Hope you see what I mean. Either it was edited or there were 2 MJ, but why? Maybe someone edited the video, but why? I don't know what to make of it.

People if there was a mirror we see the back of Michel not Michael behind him facing the same direction!

It is a mirror. I've been studying this for hours. The writing "Los Angeles" seemingly upon the door is printed on the mirror. You'll see even the parts of the mirror wall with the vertical joints.
In the back at left there is the dragon on the wall that is being reflected.
In addition there is the mannequin doll left that you'll see at right in the reflection.

No double this time. Except for stunts like at TII you'd not see him with his double for sure. Doubles are meant to draw the traffic away not gather it around him.

YES THERE WERE A MIRROR, but still there were 2 MJ..SO sorry but the fact is, the did look like two different person with two different movement instad of reflection

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:Ok...I just watched again....at 51 there IS a mirror.....look to the right and you will see the reflection Prince........but there are still 2 mj's..

Thank you that is also my opinion, GOSH he looked so great at that time, and so happy with Lisa also

serendipity wrote:

Ms. Wendy wrote:

We always questioning about a double and we even discuss about this further in here :
https://mjkit.forumotion.net/the-movie-theory-for-all-theories-regarding-the-movie-theory-f16/some-thoughts-on-the-twin-theory-t3655.htm#87871

After watch the video what do you think??

I must say, that picture of MJ (your sig) is the most handsome photo of him I've ever seen! Wowwwww!

azazel28 wrote:People if there was a mirror we see the back of Michel not Michael behind him facing the same direction!

im glad someone has common sense...lol yes theres a mirror but thats not what we was looking at..watch the whole clip...its weird and there 2 mjs the whole time

But, the movements are different! Surely you all see that!

Here is a link to another video shot that same day, but from a different angle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzcIOZgecpE&feature=related

Go to 1:08 and pause it. MJ is standing in the same spot of where there are supposedly 2 MJ's. You can can see there is a mirror behind him and the fan he is posing for a pic with (which you can also see in the full video of this shopping trip here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZJ_fA15uh4). You can see the reflection of the fan's red jacket. You can also see the reflection of the fire extinguisher; and you can also see a reflection of the windows of the front of the store, showing that there is clearly a mirror where MJ #2 is supposed to be only seconds before MJ posed for this pic with the fan.

It simply is a case of mirrors and angles of view. And as I mentioned before, there was a swarm of paparazzi that day. Watch the full videos and you will see how many paps and fans were there. I truly think if there had been 2 MJ's walking in Ed Hardy that day, someone would have noticed and it would have at the very least hit the tabloids. And I just don't understand at all why he would need a double to go shopping with him, and have that double be side-by-side with him the whole time. It's just not logical to me.

Here are some stills of the videos in question also.

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:.51 secs...This was the vid that was discussed here some months ago....there are no mirrors...2 MJ's..it was taped April 27th 2009

look closer at the 0.53 the 2 mikes move the harm to indicate somethin..there's no double

I have to admit i am confused with this clip, It could be A mirror image, apart from that it "doesn't" reflect, Michael's reflection moves on it's own independant of Michael, Plus if it is a reflection, have a look in a mirror now to see the back of your head, it's impossible.... How can Mike and his reflection both be facing the same way, plus "Why isn't the crowd" surrounding him also reflected in the "mirror"??

It's all an illusion, The Old magician saying.. "Smoke and mirrors" comes to mind.

It's the ANGLE of the mirror. The mirror is at an angle, and MJ is standing farther back than the others when his "double" appears, which is why you can't see the other people. The video link I posted shows the same scene from a different angle and you can see that it's mirrors. And watch on that right side where the "double" is supposed to be. You can see the feathers from the top of Prince's mask reflecting there too, in the original video.

I didn't see the double, but I think the double theory (connected to misdirection and MJ's knowledge of magic) is an extremely valid one. It would also account for the changes in his appearance over the years, in his insistence over the number of operations, etc. I remember reading that he had a double perform instead of him.

memorial booklet the fans who kept tickets got the one with that pic with him and the camera i noticed it!! nice find!!

It's a mirror.. I see Prince in the mirror as well 0:53.. So no doubles

It is definitely a mirror image. And why would he have a double with him out in the open for everyone to see anyway?

There are also lots of photos and video of MJ without a mask or sunglasses on after 2007.

Ok I don't want to sound rude (because I'm not) but what's the point of this thread?
What's the purpose of having 2 MJ in the same place with all the pap's?
In what, is it a new clue or evidence? I don't understand...

Read everuthing from the start hun..so you will get it better..including thread about MJ's double in Bashir documentary if you still dont get it..

Basically the certainty of double existence is really matter to connect the dots and support some theories.

Wildy wrote:Ok I don't want to sound rude (because I'm not) but what's the point of this thread?
What's the purpose of having 2 MJ in the same place with all the pap's?
In what, is it a new clue or evidence? I don't understand...

We figured it out, that there is no double. Prince was also seen through the mirror, it cant be a double of him as well, so there is in fact a mirror. No double.

@Ms Wendy : Thank you

@mjgirl86 : Yes, to me too, it seem like a mirror, no double.

Intresting

kinda ironic when the guy yells to Mj about Farrah Facet....isn't that who died the same day he didn't...