Apparently we were spoofed?

by jpresley Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:56 am

Just pulled this from MJHD. The article is in German, so I can't vouch for the content, but apparently a German radio station pulled a stunt to test conspiracy believers. Not cool. Evil or Very Mad

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?page_id=293/hoax-death/mj-van-video-a-fake/#p74031

by Human_nature Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:59 am

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by yaya Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:59 am

if this is true, how were they able to use an official van??
to me, the video looks legit and authentic...so i don't get how someone could "test" conspiracy believers...

by Savannah Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:59 am

What???? Are you freaking kidding me? How could someone do that? Who can read German to let us know what the article says? Oh my....noooooo. My family and I all celebrated last night. My daughters are going to be devastated. Sad

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:59 am

totally uncool.

by Rach Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:59 am

Ok I know what I saw in my heart and to me that was a sign so people can call me crazy if they like but I believe that was Michael.

Just because some idiot with too much time on their hands says they made this video as a sick prank, it will never deter my feelings.

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:00 pm

So in Germany they have LA Coroners vans now?

by Savannah Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:02 pm

German Link: Sad

http://www.medienhandbuch.de/

by Give.In.To.Me Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:01 pm

Ass*holes...but i knew it! if it`s too good to be true..it usually is.

by CantlivewithoutMJ Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:03 pm

OMG I cant belive it,bastards

Ahhh...

by Human_nature Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:02 pm

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by yaya Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:03 pm

i am wondering why everyone seems so quick to believe a possible debunk? the last time i checked, you can't just go rent an LA coroner's van like you can a car at rent-a-car. i think everything should be questioned.

by jpresley Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:03 pm

Human_nature wrote:The link they give don't work, can you post here please ?

Try this direct link to the paper. http://www.medienhandbuch.de/

I'm not saying its true guys, just passing on info is all....I thought/think the video looked completely real too.

by Human_nature Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:03 pm

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by yaya Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:05 pm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:So in Germany they have LA Coroners vans now?

lol, exactly....

by jpresley Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:05 pm

IF it truly was a spoof, they spent a lot of time researching and figuring every last detail out. Big assholes w/ a lot of time on their hands.

by Rach Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:05 pm

As I said above I am still 100% sure the video is genuine and I agree with yaya. Just because someone says it's a fake doesn't mean it is. I could say the man walking on the moon was a fake but that doesn't make it fact.

My heart is telling me to believe that this is real and so I am going on that feeling.

by Human_nature Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:05 pm

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:07 pm

I say we all band together and beat the living shit outta them!!!

by Savannah Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:06 pm

Human_nature wrote:
Savannah wrote:German Link:

http://www.medienhandbuch.de/

but where they talk about it and where is the video ?
I really don't understand a word in german.....

I have no idea...I don't understand a word of it either. There isn't even any pics of Michael on that site???

by Human_nature Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:06 pm

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by jpresley Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:07 pm

Human_nature wrote:
Savannah wrote:German Link:

http://www.medienhandbuch.de/

but where they talk about it and where is the video ?
I really don't understand a word in german.....

This link was posted by dunno who is a German member on MJDH. According to this person, the German tv channel RTL is supposed to talk about it at 6PM tomorrow night.

!!?!?!?!?!!!?!?!?!?!?!!?

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:08 pm

And since when do German people have access to LA Coroners vans?

by EarthAngel90 Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:08 pm

I Still Believe it is a Real Video ...

by jpresley Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:08 pm

Human_nature wrote:
Rachel wrote:As I said above I am still 100% sure the video is genuine and I agree with yaya. Just because someone says it's a fake doesn't mean it is. I could say the man walking on the moon was a fake but that doesn't make it fact.

My heart is telling me to believe that this is real and so I am going on that feeling.

yes , and yes yes again
Hugssss Queen Rachel

]

Thank God for our fearless leader (and cheerleader) Rachel!

by kdkennedy74 Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:09 pm

I have clicked the link and can not find anything relating to MJ. Usually regardless of the language the names are still understandable. Does anyone here speak German that can find and translate?

by Savannah Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:10 pm

MyBelovedMJ is not going to take this well. She was SO happy last night.
Let's hope the video is still real...nothing has been proven yet.
Who the heck is HelenaB over on the other site. She is saying THANK YOU...THANK YOU SO MUCH, and posted tons of smiley faces. Yes...real happy time right now! Pfff.

by Give.In.To.Me Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:12 pm

Translation of the text:
How gullible are conspiration theorists? – the real story behind the
newest Michael Jackson video. How a self-made video goes around the
world in only 28 hours. After the more and more farcically conspiracy
theories around Michael Jackson the RTL-show “explosiv” re-enacted a
scene where a man comes out of a coroners van. “explosiv” also shows
how the video spreads around the www in lightning-speed.

don;t shoot the messenger...I picked up the translation at MJHD

by Rach Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:13 pm

I am questioning everything right now - even why this would be done.

I believe it's a test to both us and the media. I'm not going to believe for one second someone who has no connection to this made that video up. Too much detail has gone into it for it not to be important.

I still believe Smile

by Human_nature Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:14 pm

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by CantlivewithoutMJ Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:17 pm

Thank you so much Rachel!!
You are angel who saved us Smile

by jpresley Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:18 pm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:I say we all band together and beat the living shit outta them!!!

LET'S DO IT!!!! cheers

by jpresley Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:20 pm

Savannah wrote:MyBelovedMJ is not going to take this well. She was SO happy last night.
Let's hope the video is still real...nothing has been proven yet.
Who the heck is HelenaB over on the other site. She is saying THANK YOU...THANK YOU SO MUCH, and posted tons of smiley faces. Yes...real happy time right now! Pfff.

Frankly, she pissed me off. I dismiss her posts entirely.

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:21 pm

I just posted WHY they would say its a fake:

https://mjkit.forumotion.net/breaking-news-f3/guy-pls-check-this-outpls-let-it-be-real-t721-425.htm#17277

by Rach Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:21 pm

CantlivewithoutMJ wrote:Thank you so much Rachel!!
You are angel who saved us

I'm not an angel Hon, far from it!!

I just know what I believe and how easy it is to sway people's feelings. This whole thing has taught me so much and not to take things at face value so I am not doing that. Until I see proof this was a hoax, I will continue to believe with all my heart.

by Human_nature Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:21 pm

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by MJJ Love Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:23 pm

Well, Michael said, the media just posts stuff and puts it on their programs and sites without verifying if the info is true or getting their own story.

I know it was hard for them to post that because of the way they worded the story along with the video. It's believed that MJ has been spotted alive... Blah Blah Blah

That's his point and he has basically made a point the last 2 months. With all of the crazy stories.....

MJ's POINT WAS PROVEN BIG TIME.

now, I'm curious to know what Janets Tweet was all about because we NEED SOME GOOD NEWS.

by mir26 Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:25 pm

well sorry but if this is true(not saying it is) it pissed me off do they know how much people they are hurting Mad

So I wrote them a nice email,couldent help myself

tell the person or the person who made this to go to hell and I hope that they will get in big trouble for this

I dident know what too think of this video,but I know a lot of fans did believe, some very young fans,how in the world can a normal person do this
playing with people,s feelings this is sick,do you all realize how many people are hurt by this,I guess not.

these are stupid idiots with no idea about feelings,I am sorry but these people who made this are trash in my opnion,the
same trash as the ones who spread ugly stories about Michael,pleassse i would like to say to those people grow up and get a life

sorry I had to get it out lol

by annieisnotokey Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:26 pm

If the video is not genuine, it changes nothing.

It just means that MJ was not yet caught on tape.

Don't miss the forest for the trees.

by yaya Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:27 pm

Savannah wrote:MyBelovedMJ is not going to take this well. She was SO happy last night.
Let's hope the video is still real...nothing has been proven yet.
Who the heck is HelenaB over on the other site. She is saying THANK YOU...THANK YOU SO MUCH, and posted tons of smiley faces. Yes...real happy time right now! Pfff.

i looked at a few of HelenaB's posts and saw that she believes the real michael died years ago...in the post thriller era or whatever. that's enough for me to not take what she posts seriously.

by annieisnotokey Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:29 pm

yaya wrote:
Savannah wrote:MyBelovedMJ is not going to take this well. She was SO happy last night.
Let's hope the video is still real...nothing has been proven yet.
Who the heck is HelenaB over on the other site. She is saying THANK YOU...THANK YOU SO MUCH, and posted tons of smiley faces. Yes...real happy time right now! Pfff.

i looked at a few of HelenaB's posts and saw that she believes the real michael died years ago...in the post thriller era or whatever. that's enough for me to not take what she posts seriously.

HelenaB is on MJHD to stir the pot. Don't pay attention to her.

by Human_nature Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:30 pm

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by phoenix Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:35 pm

well the German TV channel RTL promises to do a show about this video tomorrow 18:00 so i am probably going to watch .....if i am going to be back home in time...and tell you what they said

by Savannah Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:37 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:
yaya wrote:
Savannah wrote:MyBelovedMJ is not going to take this well. She was SO happy last night.
Let's hope the video is still real...nothing has been proven yet.
Who the heck is HelenaB over on the other site. She is saying THANK YOU...THANK YOU SO MUCH, and posted tons of smiley faces. Yes...real happy time right now! Pfff.

i looked at a few of HelenaB's posts and saw that she believes the real michael died years ago...in the post thriller era or whatever. that's enough for me to not take what she posts seriously.

HelenaB is on MJHD to stir the pot. Don't pay attention to her.

Thanks for the info. Wow I'm glad I stay on this site. I haven't been to that site in ages...the curiosity killed me today. Some of the members can be very nasty over there. I was scared & got out of there in a hurry. Shocked

by ballongiraf Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:38 pm

im at a point where i need proof. Not just with this, but with everything the media tells us.
If i am to believe that a german tabloid show has managed to:
- borrow an LA coroner's office car
- get an LAPD/La coroner's office guard standing there
- be allowed to film inside the restricted area of the LA coroner's office
- find a MJ look alike

i need them to do more than just say "yup, we made the video Laughing

" - i need them to show me HOW they made it and HOW they managed all the above said. I mean, anyone can claim they made this video. I can claim i filmed it in my own garage, you know?!

If it is true, it changes nothing. I still feel and believe that MJ is alive.

by ishealive Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:41 pm

Rachel wrote:As I said above I am still 100% sure the video is genuine and I agree with yaya. Just because someone says it's a fake doesn't mean it is. I could say the man walking on the moon was a fake but that doesn't make it fact.

My heart is telling me to believe that this is real and so I am going on that feeling.

I agree 100%

by IWSICS Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:44 pm

I came on here last night absolutely gob-smacked about the news of this video. I watched it over, and over again. I am not one for believing videos like this one, but I have a good feeling about this one. I don't know why- I just do. Someone posted a link about the video at about 5pm, by 9pm there were 11 pages of replys- a new record maybe?! I've been out all day, very happy about MJ being alive (as we have proof now) and I come back and some jackass on a german site has said it is fake. Now, since when do WE believe one person? C'mon guys! Don't believe it, we have no idea who this person is. Another member on here also said that the website is one of the trashiest newspapers in Germany! How many times have we been in this sort of situation where we have to believe or not. JCC, man/woman at memorial, movie theories, drug alligations, Dr. Murray's true identity, memorial clues, 02 guy, doubles and so much more! Each and everytime we have been told we are crazy- but did that stop us? NO. Each and every time someone or something has tried to debunk our theories, our FAITH.. but did we stand for it then? NO WE DID NOT. So why are we doing it now? This could really be it (pardon the pun!) and we're letting some stranger tell us that it's not. Now sure, I don't know who made this- heck I don't even know 100% that it's real, but one thing I do know is that it was released for a reason and not for the one's we are being told! Now, why on earth would someone make this for conspiracy theroists? WHY?! They wouldn't. Plain and simple- it's totally pointless; why would someone rehearse for hours on end, get a pretty damn good lookalike (which would make a serious dent in their pockets also $$$) hire a L.A coroners van (which, I don't know but since when can you even hire them?!) get the exact same numberplate- which looks pretty real to me (and as I am 15 I have no idea about road laws, but isn't it ILLEGAL to drive around with a replicated number plate?) Thought so. This would have cost some serious $$$ to make, why oh why would someone bother to waste their time trying to fool the ''crazy ones?''. THEY WOULDN'T.

It's real, I think it was either leaked when it wasn't meant to (perhaps to early) and they had to cover their backs. But what I really think happened was that it got out, and some dumbass decided to say it was fake.We can't trust them. Thats all- by the way I am Paris Jackson (but please tell no one!) So tell me, could you really prove that I wasn't Paris? You couldn't on here- I could say that Michael is 1000000% alive because I have seen him! Wouldn't you want proof? Exactly!

Sorry that was so long, but this really pissed me off! Those assholes. Love and Hugs to you all; keep the faith everyone. We're getting close Smile

by nlb Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:44 pm

Human_nature wrote:Think about it, please...

If they made this video, so they can show us, how they it, with who, where...ect...
When someone make a prank, they have footage how it was made. If they don't have that...they lie, that's it

I agree. I'm not going to dismiss this video just because of this claim. We have been questioning everything so far and this claim needs to be questioned as well. We shouldn't take anything at face value, IMO.

by SmoothCriminal Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:46 pm

Im skeptical about this but im not gonna rule it out as fake

by EarthAngel90 Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:50 pm

That video is legit to me - I saw Michael - 5'11 in height and White Shirt & Black Pants jumping out that van in that video .. I am not believing it is a fake video - someone must have a Bank Big A** Account and Good Video Skills to Film something off like this ... and Must did favors for get a Actual LAPD Medical Team for this to be a not to fake ... this video is real ...

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