Informant Claims that "Jonathan" was theO2 Michael

by CantStopLovingU Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:06 pm

Hi Everyone,

Before logging in here after work, I stopped by the MJHD forums. I read a very interesting post by a member called GetItRight.

She claims that she was contacted by an Informant who told her the following:

The person who gave the This is It Announcement was not Michael. His name is Jonathan and he has worked for Michael for years.

GetItRight asks what Jonathans last name is.

Informant said that they WILL not release that information. Not cant release, butwill not release.

GetItRight said "If this were true I think I would know about this"

Informant said "I can promise you that you wouldnt,you have no more leverage than any other person on that ridiculous website"

(Not sure what website they were referring to - CSLU)

Informant said that they did not see much of a purpose in disclosing why he did the tour announcement in place of Michael, just that is was him that did it, not Michael.

GetItRight questioned the informant asking why Jonathan did it instead of Michael and how did that fit into the hoax theory.

Informant said the fact that Michael was using a double should be enough. He stressed that Jonathan is NOT an impersonator but a double and that a double and an impersonator is NOT the same thing.

Informant said that the reason why they contacted GetItRight was because she and a few others on the MJHD forum are spot on.

GetItRight asked the Informant if Michael was dead or alive.

Informant said that she wouldnt believe even if they told her and then said "I am sorry but I wont spoon feed you like the media. I am under the impression that most of you figured this out a long time ago. Youdeny the truth because in your mind there is no logic to it, and it doesn't fit your MOLD of Michael'"

They went on to say "If you are unaware of the existence of Jonathan, I hate to be the one to tell you but you dont know anything about Michael. Knowing what someone is like, is not knowing who they are - only what they represent"

GetItRight asks "So what did Michael represent?"

Informant said "Whatever was convenient at the time"

GetItRight says "So are you saying that Michael had multiple personalities?"

Informant said "Most people have 2 sides, imagine what you can do with four sides? I have to go but can I make one request?"

"Do not post this to your forum, it is not time. You will look like a fool. Some strong advice for you, Jonathan is a very real person. Everyone is fully aware of who he is as he has done very little to protect his identity. He has been in your face the whole time."

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My gut says that Informant is telling thje truth - but I have to toss this around in my mind for awhile and try to figure out what it means.

I believe this fits well with the Jack London theory in Annies story - if Michael and Jonathan have both been out in public as Michael - that would account for alot. What bothers me is this ... makes my stomach hurt just thinking about it - What if ... God Forbid, Michael passed and then this Jonathan guy "COMES BACK" and pretends that he is Michael?

What do youguys think about this? Gut feelings? Just because Jonathan may have "worked for Michael" for years does not mean that they were friends or that people outside of Michaels circle (the general public) would know who this Jonathan guy is.

Someone also posted this quote from MJ from the EBONY interview: "You see what I want you to see, when I want you to see it and how I want you to see it"

Or maybe the Jonathan double was the one behind the threats to Michael? If he could get Michael out of the way he could steal everything from him! Maybe that would account for the descrepancies in Michaels signature on the AEG contract?

ETA the link to the topic - Alot of good comments

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?page_id=293/hoax-death/enter-at-your-own-risk-lol-decided-to-share

by Rach Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:11 pm

This kind of thing annoys me in a way because on one hand it could be someone telling the truth, but on the other it could all be a lie and I hate not knowing what to believe or who to trust.

I have become so skeptical in the last 2 and a half months and while that's a great thing in some respects, it has changed who I am as a person.

My gut feeling has always been it wasn't Michael at the O2 but for posts like this, I don't know what to think.

by CantStopLovingU Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:15 pm

I understand Rachel and I feel the same way, but we cant get so jaded that we dismiss everything- we could miss out on something very important.

Usually like I have said in the past when people lie the story is very simple. This did not strike me as the case with this Informant. I felt the same way with Ella and we lost a good link when she was chased away.

by EarthAngel90 Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:21 pm

OMG ... if Michael is gone ... I am going to scream loud outside ... and I don't want to 2 do that .... and This "Johnathan" worked for him for How many years now ??? Why does GetItRight Get all this info and no one else ... she or he knows that person - a unknown informant only going to her or him ???? sounding freaky .... !!!!

by CantStopLovingU Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:24 pm

I know I know EA - I would do the same. GetItRight is supposed to talk to this informant again, so lets see what happens. I dont know why she was chosen, but I put the link to the thread so you can read through the comments.

by Rach Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:30 pm

CantStopLovingU wrote:I understand Rachel and I feel the same way, but we cant get so jaded that we dismiss everything- we could miss out on something very important.

Usually like I have said in the past when people lie the story is very simple. This did not strike me as the case with this Informant. I felt the same way with Ella and we lost a good link when she was chased away.

I know, I don't want to be like that and miss out on any important information so I will say at the moment I am on the fence about this. From the way the informant was talking it sounded like Michael is gone so maybe that's why I don't want to believe it.

by hasil Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:38 pm

i just wrote out a huge post reply to this and its gone...DAMMIT

ill try to find it..
ugh

by SeeingClues Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:38 pm

hmm...so this Jonathan guy can sing like MJ...dance exactly like MJ...and act like MJ...and be a father to MJ's kids like MJ??? The latter would be weird if this person came back and assummed MJ's identity. To pass for MJ he'd have to be a biological identical twin with the same surgeries and same vitiligo. The Jackson familly would have had to hide him from birth... folks i'm all for the crazy theories (I post many) but there are a bunch of flaws in this one.
Anyone other than a bio twin would not pass for a double for long. I haven't seen one MJ impersonator who didn't have something "off" about their look, let alone the singing and dancing.

by Savannah Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:42 pm

Ok...so I have a few questions. What is the difference between a double and an impersonator? And...who the heck is it??? He has been in our face the whole time...as in on the forum??? Also, I am suprised that she posted this when they asked her not to. I think I would of waited...they may of gave her more info later on. Not now, though. She already broke their trust. Who knows if it's real or not...but never hurts to check it out. Wink

I think I would of waited it out to see if more information came. However, I may have sent a few PM's out, though. (lol)

by Liberian.Girl. Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:49 pm

Da funk?

The informant seemed snooty, and doesn't appear to be someone I'd want to trust; I'm 50/50 on this as well.

by annieisnotokey Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:51 pm

CantStopLovingU wrote:
I believe this fits well with the Jack London theory in Annies story - if Michael and Jonathan have both been out in public as Michael - that would account for alot.

I think the informant read my theory and now will use it to play with people's emotions. I contacted GIR by PM and she told me the informant contacted and gave her this info yesterday (plenty of time to have read my theory first).

This part in particular: "Informant said the fact that
Michael was using a double should be enough. He stressed that Jonathan
is NOT an impersonator but a double and that a double and an
impersonator is NOT the same thing." makes me suspicious. It's exactly what I explained about political decoys.

My gut feeling? Althought parts of my theory might be true, this informant is fake.
The comeback -if there's one- won't be done by a double/decoy/impersonator. Parts of the TII movie might (have any of you seen "The Crow"?)

by annieisnotokey Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:54 pm

Savannah wrote:Ok...so I have a few questions. What is the difference between a double and an impersonator?

The difference is what I wrote about political decoys (it applies to doubles):

A political decoy is a person
employed to impersonate a politician, in order to draw attention away
from the real person or to take risks on their behalf. This can also
apply to military figures, or civilians impersonated for
political/espionage purposes.
The political decoy is an individual who has been selected because of
their strong physical resemblance to the person they are impersonating.
This resemblance can be strengthened by plastic surgery. Often, such
decoys are trained to speak and behave like their ‘target’.
The practice of decoying is essentially little different from the
profession of celebrity lookalike, in which people mimic famous
entertainers whom they resemble. The only difference is that the
‘lookalike’ presents an acknowledged artifice. The decoy must conceal
his or her imposture from the ‘audience’.

IMHO, the "informant" is using my theory and playing with people's emotions.

by Rach Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:57 pm

I just read the whole thing again and I think that the poster of the topic came off as incredibly rude. If someone contacted me and said they had information I wouldn't dream of talking to them like that. I understand we are all on tender hooks but manners are free and should be used at all times.

I agree with Savannah that she shouldn't have posted it and if this informant is telling the truth she may have blown her chances.

Oh BTW did anyone catch the bit about the Joanna girl, who Michael met at the Virgin Megastore signing and dated? What is her role in this? I was under the impression they hadn't spoken for years?

by neverlandsfairy Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:59 pm

I ever believed on a decoy, but not something recent one as Annie suggested (sorry Annie), but long ago.Around end of 80´s and early 90´s.Thus just to be used to mislead the media, not really going stage to dance and sing.

Since for some odd reason I can not log on MJHD anymore, I´d like if someone can pm her, suggesting some few questions for her to ask this informant.

1-If Johnattan had changed his name or kept it as JOHNATTAN?
2-Since when he is being a double/decoy?
3-If he can perform alive in concerts?4
4-If he has kids...
5-Does he has lupus and alpha lung disease?
6-If he has a manglead ear?

by Savannah Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:01 pm

Thanks Annie. I appreciate the info. I did read that in your story...I guess I just wasn't thinking of your story when reading this article. That "informant" better not of stole your story!!! You worked hard on that. We'll have to get a can of wup ass on him. What a Face

by annieisnotokey Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:03 pm

Savannah wrote:Thanks Annie. I appreciate the info. I did read that in your story...I guess I just wasn't thinking of your story when reading this article. That "informant" better not of stole your story!!! You worked hard on that. We'll have to get a can of wup ass on him.

What worries me the most is not that he stole my theory, but that he might be using it to play with ppl's emotions.

by annieisnotokey Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:06 pm

neverlandsfairy wrote:I ever believed on a decoy, but not something recent one as Annie suggested (sorry Annie), but long ago.Around end of 80´s and early 90´s.Thus just to be used to mislead the media, not really going stage to dance and sing.

It's ok, don't worry. Wink

And I agree with you in the fact that no matter how similar a decoy might be to the "original", he's not going to go on stage to sing and dance.

by nlb Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:11 pm

Rachel wrote:I just read the whole thing again and I think that the poster of the topic came off as incredibly rude. If someone contacted me and said they had information I wouldn't dream of talking to them like that. I understand we are all on tender hooks but manners are free and should be used at all times.

I agree with Savannah that she shouldn't have posted it and if this informant is telling the truth she may have blown her chances.

Oh BTW did anyone catch the bit about the Joanna girl, who Michael met at the Virgin Megastore signing and dated? What is her role in this? I was under the impression they hadn't spoken for years?

Love that about the manners! I saw something on MJHD last night about Joanna, I'll have to see if I can find it again. They were trying to figure out who she was, because if I remember correctly it had something to do with proving teh informant was telling the truth. IDK really, cause the whole thing was confusing and all that really was done was bash Joanna. Plus it was funny that soem didn't believe MJ would have anything to do with her, when clearly at the signing he was trying to get her phone number and find out where she was staying.

Here is the link about Joanna:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?page_id=293/general-discussion/i-was-contacted

by EarthAngel90 Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:20 pm

Wait a Minute -- Annie you said it was the Real Michael - because of the weird actions and mannerisms ... I am confused again ... "Jonathan" appears out of nowhere saying "I was Michael's Personal Clone" - sounds like a Another Distraction 2 Me ....

by Guest Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:25 pm

Rachel wrote:I just read the whole thing again and I think that the poster of the topic came off as incredibly rude. If someone contacted me and said they had information I wouldn't dream of talking to them like that. I understand we are all on tender hooks but manners are free and should be used at all times.

I agree with Savannah that she shouldn't have posted it and if this informant is telling the truth she may have blown her chances.

Oh BTW did anyone catch the bit about the Joanna girl, who Michael met at the Virgin Megastore signing and dated? What is her role in this? I was under the impression they hadn't spoken for years?

Michael havent spoken to her for years. He broke it off, when she cheated on him. I dont think she knows anything. Why rachel hon?

by Rach Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:26 pm

@ nlb

Thanks for the link Hon. Some people on MJHD are so rude and ignorant. How dare they call her ugly and ditzy? They don't even know her! I happen to think she is stunning and if Michael loved her there must have been something special about her, until she of course cheated on him, if reports are right.

Ugh, sorry for the rant but rude, bad mannered people get my back up so much!!!

by annieisnotokey Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:29 pm

EarthAngel90 wrote:Wait a Minute -- Annie you said it was the Real Michael - because of the weird actions and mannerisms ... I am confused again ... "Jonathan" appears out of nowhere saying "I was Michael's Personal Clone" - sounds like a Another Distraction 2 Me ....

I did say it was real MJ at O2.

What I'm saying is that this informant might be taking my political decoy idea to go around and spread the rumour that the guy at O2 was a double.

by EarthAngel90 Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:36 pm

Rachel wrote:@ nlb

Thanks for the link Hon. Some people on MJHD are so rude and ignorant. How dare they call her ugly and ditzy? They don't even know her! I happen to think she is stunning and if Michael loved her there must have been something special about her, until she of course cheated on him, if reports are right.

Ugh, sorry for the rant but rude, bad mannered people get my back up so much!!!

I see why they get Jealous ... She had Michael's Trust & Love ... she used him - I will admit - I would say something mean & hurtful - I am jealous ... she had his love & trust & being so close 2 to him ... but I am way more mature than normal teens are though & I respect Michael & love too much to be mean .... I can't believe I am saying this .... someone stop me.

by Guest Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:38 pm

EarthAngel90 wrote:
Rachel wrote:@ nlb

Thanks for the link Hon. Some people on MJHD are so rude and ignorant. How dare they call her ugly and ditzy? They don't even know her! I happen to think she is stunning and if Michael loved her there must have been something special about her, until she of course cheated on him, if reports are right.

Ugh, sorry for the rant but rude, bad mannered people get my back up so much!!!

I see why they get Jealous ... She had Michael's Trust & Love ... she used him - I will admit - I would say something mean & hurtful - I am jealous ... she had his love & trust & being so close 2 to him ... but I am way more mature than normal teens are though & I respect Michael & love too much to be mean .... I can't believe I am saying this .... someone stop me.

Could we please stop talking about her? Noon knows about their Private life, and it should stay that way,. But she did Break his heart, and thats why I dont like talking about her. But I think she was very beautiful

by annieisnotokey Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:40 pm

MyBelovedMJ wrote:
Could we please stop talking about her?

I second that!

by Rach Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:42 pm

Sorry guys, I think that was my fault. I just wanted to know why she was mentioned because I don't use MJHD anymore and then I got on a rant.

Consider my lips sealed when it comes to Joanna Smile

by Guest Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:44 pm

Rachel wrote:Sorry guys, I think that was my fault. I just wanted to know why she was mentioned because I don't use MJHD anymore and then I got on a rant.

Consider my lips sealed when it comes to Joanna

No problem hon. Its just, Michael already went through enough.

by hungry Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:58 pm

I'm not that happy that this was posted at MJHD when the informant specifically told them not to, as it might give the source a reason not to trust GetItRight anymore :/

by EarthAngel90 Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:02 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:
EarthAngel90 wrote:Wait a Minute -- Annie you said it was the Real Michael - because of the weird actions and mannerisms ... I am confused again ... "Jonathan" appears out of nowhere saying "I was Michael's Personal Clone" - sounds like a Another Distraction 2 Me ....

I did say it was real MJ at O2.

What I'm saying is that this informant might be taking my political decoy idea to go around and spread the rumour that the guy at O2 was a double.

Oh - I got you now - Decoy is looking out for Michael ... keep us away from him ..... like " bullet" shot from a random place ....

by MJJ Love Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:16 pm

Interesting.
I can't beleive she posted it on the forum. Geesh.
I would've have definitely listened to him to see else he may share..
Sometimes, you just got to go with the flo and be a trustworthy person.

And Annie, OMG, I knew it. Your theory was sooo BLOODY good< i knew the vultures would be eating it up and ready to take bits and pieces.
You should really get that COPYWRITTEN my friend, if you have not already. I would hate to see someone else come along and steal your precious and very thorough writings.

by annieisnotokey Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:22 pm

MJJ Love wrote:
And Annie, OMG, I knew it. Your theory was sooo BLOODY good< i knew the vultures are eating it up and ready to take bits and peices.
You should really get that VOPYERITTEN my friend, if you have not already. I would hate to see someone else come along and steal your precious and very thorough writings.

Thank you my friend! cheers

I'm considering the copyright thingy.

by MJJ Love Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:33 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:
MJJ Love wrote:
And Annie, OMG, I knew it. Your theory was sooo BLOODY good< i knew the vultures are eating it up and ready to take bits and peices.
You should really get that VOPYERITTEN my friend, if you have not already. I would hate to see someone else come along and steal your precious and very thorough writings.

Thank you my friend!

I'm considering the copyright thingy.

You're so very welcome!!!!!

I hope it works out for you!
So, if you do that and it ends up in a book or something where they're making money, you can sure their butts!
And you have over 100 witnesses to prove you originally wrote this material and came up with it as we patiently waited and watched for the next post with the continuing and amazing story line/ THEORY!! Smile

We got ya back mama!

by MJSmile4Us Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:26 am

hi guys

I searched some doubles/impersnnators of Michael's that I could find;

1. Edward Moss
Informant Claims that "Jonathan" was theO2 Michael Double

2. Laufer seiner Karriere(imo he doesn't look anything like Michael but...)
Informant Claims that "Jonathan" was theO2 Michael Michael_Jackson_Double

I also came across this article and I am not sure whether to dismiss it or not. It says that Michael was only contracted to perform for only short minutes of each of the concerts and whoever wrote this article also doubts that it was really Michael who 'died'... scratch

'Music journalists</FONT></FONT>

reported on sky news on the night of the announcement of his death that Michael Jackson was only contracted to perform for a few minutes on stage for each of the tour dates, suggesting that a well trained “look-alike” may stand in, secretly, for the bulk of the performances.'
http://newsflavor.com/entertainment/is-michael-jackson-really-dead/

by MJfan777 Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:34 am

was ecas there.

by EarthAngel90 Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:42 am

Edward Moss - Looks just like Michael ... Very Creepy & Second person - not so much .... secondhand looking .... I know ECas and Ernest Valientino are Spitting Image of Michael ... Edward is Third ...

by MJfan777 Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:07 am

sorry, but edward moss is to fat to be michael. and he did scary movie (as michael) i dont think so MJ like it o_______o

by Human_nature Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:36 am

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by EarthAngel90 Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:38 am

MJalive wrote:sorry, but edward moss is to fat to be michael. and he did scary movie (as michael) i dont think so MJ like it o_______o

I hated that part in Scary Movie 3 ... everytime I watch it .. I skip that part ...

by MJSmile4Us Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:38 am

MJalive wrote:sorry, but edward moss is to fat to be michael. and he did scary movie (as michael) i dont think so MJ like it o_______o

he did?? I wasn't much interested in the movie when it came out so didn'watch it..I'm glad I didn't..ugh, he's unbelievable Mad

that 2-faced... Twisted Evil

by MJfan777 Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:39 am

Human_nature wrote:I think E'Casanova & Earnest Valentino.

IMDB page for Earnest aka Valentino Johnson

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0426385/

Someone know if it's his real name ? (Earnest Valentino)

Wacko about jacko?

never michael would 'use' someone who did a stupid joke about him ... i dont think so.

by Human_nature Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:40 am

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by Human_nature Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:41 am

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by MJfan777 Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:41 am

MJSmile4Us wrote:
MJalive wrote:sorry, but edward moss is to fat
to be michael. and he did scary movie (as michael) i dont think so MJ
like it o_______o

he did?? I wasn't much interested in the movie when it came out so didn'watch it..I'm glad I didn't..ugh, he's unbelievable that 2-faced...

he did

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1429967/

by EarthAngel90 Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:43 am

Human_nature wrote:I think E'Casanova & Earnest Valentino.

IMDB page for Earnest aka Valentino Johnson

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0426385/

Someone know if it's his real name ? (Earnest Valentino)

I think it is Earnest Valentino ... I think you're right .. first name ... IDK.

by EarthAngel90 Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:47 am

MJalive wrote:
MJSmile4Us wrote:
MJalive wrote:sorry, but edward moss is to fat
to be michael. and he did scary movie (as michael) i dont think so MJ
like it o_______o

he did?? I wasn't much interested in the movie when it came out so didn'watch it..I'm glad I didn't..ugh, he's unbelievable that 2-faced...

he did
[url=http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1429967/

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1429967/[/quote[/url]]

Now I remember him - He did a Episode of Nip/Tuck - Late 02 - Early 03 ... He played a Man who wanted to Look M.J. All the Way !!! That Backstabbing Bastard .... I knew looked familiar !!!

by Human_nature Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:49 am

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by EarthAngel90 Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:15 am

Human_nature wrote:
MJalive wrote:
Human_nature wrote:I think E'Casanova & Earnest Valentino.

IMDB page for Earnest aka Valentino Johnson

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0426385/

Someone know if it's his real name ? (Earnest Valentino)

Wacko about jacko?

never michael would 'use' someone who did a stupid joke about him ... i dont think so.

If I'm correct, Earnest was probably in the documentary , like Michael was. I'm sure he didn't gave an interview for this documentary, but they took some footages.

Did they get permission to use that footage for That Documentary ??? They used it ... without permission ?!

by Human_nature Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:21 am

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by mommy Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:34 am

neverlandsfairy wrote:I ever believed on a decoy, but not something recent one as Annie suggested (sorry Annie), but long ago.Around end of 80´s and early 90´s.Thus just to be used to mislead the media, not really going stage to dance and sing.

Since for some odd reason I can not log on MJHD anymore, I´d like if someone can pm her, suggesting some few questions for her to ask this informant.

Neither can I. I can't even get to the site... Whats happening???

1-If Johnattan had changed his name or kept it as JOHNATTAN?
2-Since when he is being a double/decoy?
3-If he can perform alive in concerts?4
4-If he has kids...
5-Does he has lupus and alpha lung disease?
6-If he has a manglead ear?

by MJSmile4Us Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:03 am

MJalive wrote:
MJSmile4Us wrote:
MJalive wrote:sorry, but edward moss is to fat
to be michael. and he did scary movie (as michael) i dont think so MJ
like it o_______o

he did?? I wasn't much interested in the movie when it came out so didn'watch it..I'm glad I didn't..ugh, he's unbelievable that 2-faced...

he did
[url=http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1429967/

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1429967/[/quote[/url]]

thank u 4 the link Very Happy

- it's no wonder that the biggest lesson that Michael said that he learnt from being in the entertainment industry was to NEVER trust everyone Twisted Evil

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