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Post by CantStopLovingU on Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:52 pm

Hi Everyone,

I have to say that the MJHD folks are really doing a good job talking this out. I couldnt wait to get home from work today so I could see if the Informant had provided any new information.

The new user name for the woman who was contacted is: Order in an Artificial Chaos ...

Here is what she posted today from the Informant - I transcribed EVERYTHING - It is below in BLUE underneath my comments.

Now I'm really starting to believe that it may have been Jonathan that passed away. Although similar to Annie's theory, maybe Michael didnt go looking for his Jack London the past few years - Informant indicates the year 1991 - which is almost 20 years ago, so what many have started out as a "double" handy to have around for appearances, ect - may have morphed into something much much bigger.

It could be Jonathan over at Forest Lawn, and I thnk Liza M. knows about this which is why she was glad the fans were remembering Michael's talent the way they were. She seemed to think that after all hell broke loose that would no longer be the case. I think many out in the public might really feel betrayed if they have been loving and supporting a person who was not Michael. The trick is to find how deep the rabbit hole goes, how long it has been there, and how wide it really is. There would be a huge difference between a double that made public appearances and a double who took over MJ's life and went on tour ect. Two totally different balk games.

At this point we dont have any major new clues - so I am really going to dig into this and do a full blown analysis like I would do at work starting from 1985 - 2000 even though the Informant refers to 1991 as the start period.

Here is what he said:

I want to shed light onto the tour annoucnement because that is really where things started to fall apart. There is greater meaning to all of this .. I have nothing to gain by telling you this info.

One of the things I have noticed on all of the death hoax sites is that people are all ignoring the most obvious thing.... That is was not Michael at the O2 press conference. You say that most people recognize this but why has it gone ignored?

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps those familiarities were there because Michael had been using Jonathan for a very long time - therefore we have gotten to know him as well as Michael?

KNOWLEDGE IS POWER is the most accurate expressions that there is

Go back and START RESEARCHING PICTURES, INTERVIEWS and PERFORMANCES by Michael starting with about circa 1991 - 2009

If Michael is dead or alive you want to know the truth right? Am I wrong?

Then do as I say, Start with Jonathan - You are all starting with "THE DEATH": of Michael ... you cant do that ... you will accomplish nothing but walking around in circles.

None of this is making sense to you because you are all trying to find out what happened to MICHAEL. BUT you arent looking at the inconsistencies in HIS LIFE STORY! Because you are afraid of the truth you might find.

I did not say MISTAKES that he made, I said INCONSISTENCIES in his life story.

None of this is going to be figured out anytime soon - If people want a quick answer to why Michael faked his death they should probably just walk away now..

At this point GetItRight says - AH HA!!! So he DID fake his death!!

INFORMANT says ... Maybe - Maybe he JUST FAKED HIS LIFE ... Maybe THAT resulted in his death. (I THINK THIS IS A HUGE CLUE RIGHT HERE! CSLU)

Informant left off by saying: I am not saying if Michael is dead or alive - I am saying that if you really want the truth - you BETTER be PREPARED for any and everything.

LEARN the difference between an impersonator and a double.

Then you wil see that tracking down any information on Jonathan IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

I understand that this may not make sense right ow but please just do what I asked and look into the things I mentioned. I promise you that it will start to make sense.

UPDATE: JUST WONDERING WHY as many folks have pointed out since last night that at both the MEMORIAL and the FUNERAL/BURIAL Last night, there were NO Recent Pictures of Michael used at all.

Every single picture they use stops at the BAD ERA.

I do not think that is a coincidence - It has to have something to do with the Jonathan theory.

A mean not even one of those lovely pictures of Michael holding Prince as a new born baby? Nothing from the last decade? Please if you have any thoughts on this, I would like to hear them Rolling Eyes

HUGS!!


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Post by MJFoReVeRandAlways on Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:56 pm

"Maybe he JUST FAKED HIS LIFE ... Maybe THAT resulted in his death."

Wonder what he/she means by that??
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Post by Guest on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:00 pm

OMG. But If Jonathan died, why havent any of his family members spoken out? I mean they have to know right?

His parents have to know if he died. BTW he is not that old
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Post by nohype on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:10 pm

I have a feeling that this person is trying to push the "Black MJ" vs. "White MJ" theory.
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Post by EarthAngel90 on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:12 pm

MyBelovedMJ wrote:OMG. But If Jonathan died, why havent any of his family members spoken out? I mean they have to know right?

His parents have to know if he died. BTW he is not that old

Yeah ... Wait a Minute ... maybe they kept quiet for a reason ... to not reveal anything.
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Post by CantStopLovingU on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:13 pm

MJFoReVeRandAlways wrote:"Maybe he JUST FAKED HIS LIFE ... Maybe THAT resulted in his death."

Wonder what he/she means by that??

I know, I think out of everything he said, that this is the most profound statement of all.

IF Michael "Faked" his life that would mean that Michael retired from being Michael and Jonathan took over everything from singing, to performing, to touring ... unless Michael was really singing in the studio - His voice IMO is too unique for someone else to master.

So IF Michael faked his life - meaning someone else Jonathan lived Michaels life for him, if Jonathan DIED technically that would result in the death of MJ because Jonathan is living for Michael.

So the real Michael is not gone. Jonathan is gone - but Jonathan is what the world thinks is Michael and has been Michael since 1991??
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Post by emo_pinkt on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:14 pm

I'm beginning to think that this Johnaton is just a frigment of someone's imagination and that it was the real MJ at the o2.
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Post by CantStopLovingU on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:16 pm

EarthAngel90 wrote:
MyBelovedMJ wrote:OMG. But If Jonathan died, why havent any of his family members spoken out? I mean they have to know right?

His parents have to know if he died. BTW he is not that old

Yeah ... Wait a Minute ... maybe they kept quiet for a reason ... to not reveal anything.

You would think so but we do not know where Jonathan came from. Michael morphed so much between the years of 1991 until now. Im starting to think that some of the videos where people claim Michael had a deep voice and that his high falsetto voice was something he played up - was really Jonathan speaking in his own deep voice.

So who knows where Jonathans parents are? He could have been an orphan for all we know - You know that Michael said way back in the 80's that every country he went to, he went to the orphanages.

I'll go back to the Superbowl performance where I know he speaks deeply.
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Post by EarthAngel90 on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:16 pm

nohype wrote:I have a feeling that this person is trying to push the "Black MJ" vs. "White MJ" theory.

I was having that feeling as well ... someone try to start that again .... some reason explained ... a Looney on MJHD (won't say names ... cough*Helena B*cough) ... Real Michael died in the 80's replaced by a "White" M.J. .... why she is a fan of the Old Michael but she loves to say " That isn't real Michael , I know" .... all B.S. is too much for me.
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Post by CantStopLovingU on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:17 pm

EarthAngel90 wrote:
nohype wrote:I have a feeling that this person is trying to push the "Black MJ" vs. "White MJ" theory.

I was having that feeling as well ... someone try to start that again .... some reason explained ... a Looney on MJHD (won't say names ... cough*Helena B*cough) ... Real Michael died in the 80's replaced by a "White" M.J. .... why she is a fan of the Old Michael but she loves to say " That isn't real Michael , I know" .... all B.S. is too much for me.

This could be - I did not care for her much .... Who knows
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Post by dunno_it on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:18 pm

so what this guy is trying to make clear is that we've been observing the fake Michael since 1991.Hmmm, Dangerous, History, Invincible, Jeeez, these can't be fake! I know MJ has changed his appearance a lot throughout the years but it cannot be the clue. It is his music and dance which cannot be faked!!
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Post by MJFoReVeRandAlways on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:19 pm

CantStopLovingU wrote:
MJFoReVeRandAlways wrote:"Maybe he JUST FAKED HIS LIFE ... Maybe THAT resulted in his death."

Wonder what he/she means by that??

I know, I think out of everything he said, that this is the most profound statement of all.

IF Michael "Faked" his life that would mean that Michael retired from being Michael and Jonathan took over everything from singing, to performing, to touring ... unless Michael was really singing in the studio - His voice IMO is too unique for someone else to master.

So IF Michael faked his life - meaning someone else Jonathan lived Michaels life for him, if Jonathan DIED technically that would result in the death of MJ because Jonathan is living for Michael.

So the real Michael is not gone. Jonathan is gone - but Jonathan is what the world thinks is Michael and has been Michael since 1991??

Exactly. It´s all Shocked
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Post by endlessfire on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:26 pm

I have never been a die hard Michael Jackson fan but, the first time I saw the pictures of 02 I thought that wasn't Michael. The thing is we really have no way of 'knowing' exactly what he looked like. There always seemed to be changes and he was constantly hiding his face. What many people called weird was actually genius. Because of him hiding and constantly 'changing' he could pull off a double easy. In recent years anytime Michael Jackson looked different everyone blew it off as him just being a 'freak'. The double thing would make alot of sense.
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Post by MJFOREVER on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:28 pm

maybe mj died and the double not confused omg that convo really confused me.
I realy dont know what to think about it Question pffffff Rolling Eyes
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Post by dunno_it on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:28 pm

again, if we have been dealing with the wrong MJ t at allall these years, why there are 2 of them in 2009, i mean the o2 guy and the "real" one? this guy is trying to say there has been only one person since 1991, i.e. Johnatan...don't get it at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by endlessfire on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:31 pm

MJFoReVeRandAlways wrote:
CantStopLovingU wrote:
MJFoReVeRandAlways wrote:"Maybe he JUST FAKED HIS LIFE ... Maybe THAT resulted in his death."

Wonder what he/she means by that??

I know, I think out of everything he said, that this is the most profound statement of all.

IF Michael "Faked" his life that would mean that Michael retired from being Michael and Jonathan took over everything from singing, to performing, to touring ... unless Michael was really singing in the studio - His voice IMO is too unique for someone else to master.

So IF Michael faked his life - meaning someone else Jonathan lived Michaels life for him, if Jonathan DIED technically that would result in the death of MJ because Jonathan is living for Michael.

So the real Michael is not gone. Jonathan is gone - but Jonathan is what the world thinks is Michael and has been Michael since 1991??

Exactly. It´s all Shocked

The thing is though, that 'IF' Michael was the one singing and 'Jonathan' was the one dancing shouldn't we mourn the loss of him as well? 'IF' this is the case he would be a part of the 'Michael Jackson' that everyone loves. Most people love him for more than just his voice. I think this is what the 'Informant' was talking about in the earlier conversation when he said 'four sides instead of two'. This double was as much a part of the ICON that IS Michael Jackson as the man himself.


NOTE: THIS WHAT I THINK THIS PERSON MEANS. I HAVE YET TO COME TO MY OWN CONCLUSION ABOUT ANY OF THIS!
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Post by annieisnotokey on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:46 pm

CantStopLovingU wrote:
You would think so but we do not know where Jonathan came from. Michael morphed so much between the years of 1991 until now. Im starting to think that some of the videos where people claim Michael had a deep voice and that his high falsetto voice was something he played up - was really Jonathan speaking in his own deep voice.

So Lisa Marie Presley married Jonathan, because she kept talking about MJ having a deep voice. lol!
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Post by EarthAngel90 on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:52 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:
CantStopLovingU wrote:
You would think so but we do not know where Jonathan came from. Michael morphed so much between the years of 1991 until now. Im starting to think that some of the videos where people claim Michael had a deep voice and that his high falsetto voice was something he played up - was really Jonathan speaking in his own deep voice.

So Lisa Marie Presley married Jonathan, because she kept talking about MJ having a deep voice. lol!

You could be right .... She said " He cusses and swears & drinks a lot ... he was normal like rest of us " ... but Michael doesn't like to cuss maybe on expection I wouldn't know ...
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Post by PYT on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:53 pm

Im confused by the comment that maybe he faked his life...im wondering what aspect of his life this man is talking about...

I dont think MJ had a double dancing and singing for him since 1991 and i dont think the real MJ died..

Maybe we're taking the comment too literally...I dont know i just dont think MJ FAKED HIS LIFE like this guy is saying but i will look at 1991-2009 for "inconsistecies" i his life story.
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Post by ishealive on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:55 pm

I'm on the fence with this. Looking forward to reading his 3rd update though.
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Post by annieisnotokey on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:58 pm

Does anybody else think that believing MJ had a double that lived his life since 1991 is a wee bit insane???

Please don't shoot me, but even for me this sounds too far fetched... Shocked
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Post by Guest on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:59 pm

CantStopLovingU wrote:
MJFoReVeRandAlways wrote:"Maybe he JUST FAKED HIS LIFE ... Maybe THAT resulted in his death."

Wonder what he/she means by that??

I know, I think out of everything he said, that this is the most profound statement of all.

IF Michael "Faked" his life that would mean that Michael retired from being Michael and Jonathan took over everything from singing, to performing, to touring ... unless Michael was really singing in the studio - His voice IMO is too unique for someone else to master.

So IF Michael faked his life - meaning someone else Jonathan lived Michaels life for him, if Jonathan DIED technically that would result in the death of MJ because Jonathan is living for Michael.

So the real Michael is not gone. Jonathan is gone - but Jonathan is what the world thinks is Michael and has been Michael since 1991??


Michael didnt fake his life. I dont belive that. I kow he had some doubles, to perform for him, and face the public in some accations, but thats it.
Michael voice can change alot
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Post by MJFOREVER on Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:00 pm

EarthAngel90 wrote:
annieisnotokey wrote:
CantStopLovingU wrote:
You would think so but we do not know where Jonathan came from. Michael morphed so much between the years of 1991 until now. Im starting to think that some of the videos where people claim Michael had a deep voice and that his high falsetto voice was something he played up - was really Jonathan speaking in his own deep voice.

So Lisa Marie Presley married Jonathan, because she kept talking about MJ having a deep voice. lol!

You could be right .... She said " He cusses and swears & drinks a lot ... he was normal like rest of us " ... but Michael doesn't like to cuss maybe on expection I wouldn't know ...


Sorry but i have never seen our hear here saying that Rolling Eyes got a like of a video or something?

And even if he did that that doesnt mean its that double guy, we dont know michael in private life, in hes own life so i think hes just as normal as you and me.

sorry dont want to offend you or anything
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Post by PYT on Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:01 pm

ishealive wrote:I'm on the fence with this. Looking forward to reading his 3rd update though.

Me too... but im not believeing this person.

Nor am i believeing the black michael vs white michael thing...im sorry it was the same person as far as im concerned
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Post by EarthAngel90 on Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:01 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:Does anybody else think that believing MJ had a double that lived his life since 1991 is a wee bit insane???

Please don't shoot me, but even for me this sounds too far fetched... Shocked

I agree with that ... I don't think he would have a double in his place for 18 years !!!!! maybe 5 or 10 .... but 18 years is a bit much to not be notice thoughout His Life seriously.
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annieisnotokey wrote:Does anybody else think that believing MJ had a double that lived his life since 1991 is a wee bit insane???

Please don't shoot me, but even for me this sounds too far fetched... Shocked

A BIT you think Rolling Eyes Razz
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Post by Guest on Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:07 pm

CantStopLovingU wrote:
EarthAngel90 wrote:
nohype wrote:I have a feeling that this person is trying to push the "Black MJ" vs. "White MJ" theory.

I was having that feeling as well ... someone try to start that again .... some reason explained ... a Looney on MJHD (won't say names ... cough*Helena B*cough) ... Real Michael died in the 80's replaced by a "White" M.J. .... why she is a fan of the Old Michael but she loves to say " That isn't real Michael , I know" .... all B.S. is too much for me.

This could be - I did not care for her much .... Who knows


Thats a piece of BS. Trust me, Michaels family would know. And the talent Michael have, can not just follow someone else.
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Post by Lorrie on Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:17 pm

CantStopLovingU wrote:I understand that this may not make sense right ow but please just do what I asked and look into the things I mentioned. I promise you that it will start to make sense.

I don't want to piss on anybody's parade, but when I read that thread over at MJHD earlier today, my first and instinctive reaction was thinking, "Why doesn't the 'informant' just do what he asks himself, and then pass the information on to Get It Right, or whatever username she goes by now?"

It would be wonderful if this were all legitimate. But the way GIR (or whatever) was approached so mysteriously and instructed to do this and do that just seems like classic troll/prankster behavior to me. I personally wouldn't fall for it or take the "informer" seriously.

If the person really knows what's going on, then why not just say so? Why does something this serious -- we're talking Michael's life and death here -- have to be a game, unless the "informant" is just jerking GIR (and everyone who participates in her thread) around for entertainment purposes or some other equally obnoxious reason?

Either give me the goods straight up or stay out of my face, but don't expect me to knock myself out over what could very well be a wild goose chase.
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Post by annieisnotokey on Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:22 pm

Lorrie wrote:
Why does something this serious -- we're talking Michael's life and death here -- have to be a game, unless the "informant" is just jerking GIR (and everyone who participates in her thread) around for entertainment purposes or some other equally obnoxious reason?

I honestly think this informant is playing with people's emotions. I tried to warn GIR about this and she got mad at me. So be it. I'm done. Rolling Eyes
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Post by Sweet1 on Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:25 pm

Annieisnotokey,
I don't think what you are saying is farfetched at all. The MJHD individual said to learn the difference between an impersonator and a double. I do believe it was possible for MJ to have a double since 1991 to be highly possible. If anyone has seen any of his tribute magazines and seen the pics of him throughout the years since PostThriller he changed drastically that had people in total awe! Yes! MJ undoubtedly had a double since then. Look at his videos and you can see how he changed so drastically. Personally, I never believed you could bleach your skin to total white to every inch of your body within a 2-3 yr period. He was dark in 1988 and by 1991 he was totally white. Remember! Black and White Video? Your theory was talking about the political decoy. It looks like the double may have been Jonathan from 02. Whoever the double was he didn't fool me. I stopped buying tribute magazines because I was tired of seeing him. It just didn't settle well in my spirit. Keep the Faith!
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Post by yaya on Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:27 pm

if this is in fact an issue of white michael vs. black michael, i have an extremely hard time buying that. michael has been the same person ever since the jackson 5. or ever since he was born, for that matter. i don't care how good and talented someone is at attempting to replicate michael's moves and voice, they can never do it just like he can. even if they had all the surgeries in the world, they'll never look identical to him. similar, but not identical.

i do find it interesting how this informant gives us the name jonathan, but not his last name. if jonathan is the key, then why did the informant tell us that researching him won't do us any good? that just confuses me.

and i agree with lorrie; the person should just tell us whatever it is they think we should know, instead of wanting us to run around like chickens with our heads cut off. ever since MJHD was created, we've been trying to figure this all out and now someone wants us to go on a wild goose chase. it get's tiring...
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Post by Banessa on Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:28 pm

Lorrie I totally agree with you! If someone has vital information about the hoax being a hoax and or anything else, why try to get people to play games, and not just tell us straight out just what it is they know? Why try to use other members to post information for them? when they can obviously do it for themselves!

IMO We need to be careful w/all the info we get from these type of sources, specially now that MJ is supposed to be buried tomorrow. People can be very cruel and do and say cruel things just to get a laugh or feel better about their pathetic lives!
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Post by CantStopLovingU on Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:03 pm

Lorrie wrote:
CantStopLovingU wrote:I understand that this may not make sense right ow but please just do what I asked and look into the things I mentioned. I promise you that it will start to make sense.

I don't want to piss on anybody's parade, but when I read that thread over at MJHD earlier today, my first and instinctive reaction was thinking, "Why doesn't the 'informant' just do what he asks himself, and then pass the information on to Get It Right, or whatever username she goes by now?"

It would be wonderful if this were all legitimate. But the way GIR (or whatever) was approached so mysteriously and instructed to do this and do that just seems like classic troll/prankster behavior to me. I personally wouldn't fall for it or take the "informer" seriously.

If the person really knows what's going on, then why not just say so? Why does something this serious -- we're talking Michael's life and death here -- have to be a game, unless the "informant" is just jerking GIR (and everyone who participates in her thread) around for entertainment purposes or some other equally obnoxious reason?

Either give me the goods straight up or stay out of my face, but don't expect me to knock myself out over what could very well be a wild goose chase.

Good Point
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Post by Sweet1 on Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:09 pm

I only have one question. Why would anything be revealed to us? Do we really have a need to know? I don't believe we do. Why would the world have a need to know that MJ faked his life? This is just my opinion. Keep the Faith!
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Post by CantStopLovingU on Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:10 pm

Grace wrote:
MJFoReVeRandAlways wrote:"Maybe he JUST FAKED HIS LIFE ... Maybe THAT resulted in his death."

And if Michael were not at all what we made out of him believing in what we saw and heard?

This is really getting tough stuff now.

The fake vid of RTL showed the "making of a fake vid".

The fake death of MJ now showed the "making of a fake death"?

What if the whole life of MJ were fake and the death were truth?
Meaning the lies were stopped finally?
No MJ, no entertainer, nothing was existing since years but only made to belief "as if"?
A fake created by music industry, an artificial artist to be "put on scene" by anybody jumping into the role?

Everywhere, where there is a microphone there is a tape and a studio and behind that there is software to "produce" music or interviews?

Everywhere, where there is a camera there is a film and a cutting device and behind that there is some software to "produce" footage?

We learned to look closer now and question more with this shock.
We learned to watch, observe, look twice then three times and still find questionmarks and doubts.

Was Mike never existing but constantly being replaced by another actor who was "fitted" to the job by scalpels and training?

I am forced to think of disney movies where so many persons are drawing the "one" Mickey Mouse. And you'll never notice how many persons were father and mother to Mickey.

My mind just gets blown away. sorry ladies, this is a lot.

Would it be possible that we witnessed for years a fake artificial person, put on stage by ever other doubles?

Where was real Mike then and why was all executed this way?
And why the end of the tide now and not 10 years ago?

I read a comment on Mike today that was astounding.
The person said: either MJ died 10 years to late - he would stay in memory different if he had not been there during the last 10 years - or he died too soon to have shown to the world he could impact this much.

I have to go to bed - I am really somewhat lost now.
Don't kill me on my thoughts, pls. This was just what ran through my mind when this Jonathan story got into it. And no, no insane here. I just try to stay open to whatever comes along.

Grace that is exactly how I feel. We cannot discount every body who comes to us with a far out story - Yes, there are trolls, people who are trying to divert us from the truth I understand that - but then on the other hand we say we are investigating, we say we want to get to the bottom of this, but if anyone comes along with anything other than what we want to hear we dismiss it.

What if this guy is really alluding to the truth? I would like to look into it some more before I dismiss him as a troll. And no one should get ANGRY with you just because you voiced your feelings. Isnt that why we left the other forum in the first place? If you say what you say in kindness no one should reproach you or anyone else for that.
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Post by MichelleMissesMJ on Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:04 pm

i read a story on an internet site that a guy was saying he was the real michael jackson and gave his life up years ago and let somebody else take his place cause he couldn't take the spot light anymore. he said he was married and kids and was happy now. a whole long page about him but sugar i cant remember now. it waas weeks ago.
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Post by CantStopLovingU on Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:18 pm

MichelleMissesMJ wrote:i read a story on an internet site that a guy was saying he was the real michael jackson and gave his life up years ago and let somebody else take his place cause he couldn't take the spot light anymore. he said he was married and kids and was happy now. a whole long page about him but sugar i cant remember now. it waas weeks ago.

Oh my Michelle! I wish you knew where it was!!
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Post by MJJ Love on Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:19 pm

Oh My, Jonathan?
I think these stories are getting to be totally left field....

If this was true, someone would have noticed.
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Post by mjthelegendlives on Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:40 pm

nohype wrote:I have a feeling that this person is trying to push the "Black MJ" vs. "White MJ" theory.

agreed, and thats all over the internet...
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Post by annieisnotokey on Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:52 pm

JUST FOR THE RECORD (because I’m receiving nasty pms at the other forum):

I NEVER said GetItRight a.k.a. OrderInArtificialChaos was playing with people’s emotions.

What I said was that the informant that's feeding this MJHD member was probably getting his/her ideas from my theory and I hate the fact that I may have posted an idea that some sick mind can use to play with people’s emotions.

I’m not accusing anybody. I’m expressing a concern.

You are all intelligent people. You are free to choose whatever you want to. Just don’t twist my intentions when I speak my mind.
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Post by CantStopLovingU on Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:56 pm

Well I just looked through dozens and dozens of MJ pics from thriller to history and the eyes are exactly the same in every single one. Whether Michael was "black" or "white" the eyes - that distinct rounding he has just like his Mom Katherine is exactly the same. I dont see how Jonathan could have been slipped in - at least not from what I can see.
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Post by CantStopLovingU on Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:00 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:JUST FOR THE RECORD (because I’m receiving nasty pms at the other forum):

I NEVER said GetItRight a.k.a. OrderInArtificialChaos was playing with people’s emotions.

What I said was that the informant that's feeding this MJHD member was probably getting his/her ideas from my theory and I hate the fact that I may have posted an idea that some sick mind can use to play with people’s emotions.

I’m not accusing anybody. I’m expressing a concern.

You are all intelligent people. You are free to choose whatever you want to. Just don’t twist my intentions when I speak my mind.

Dont feel bad Annie, you cant control that. You did the best you could do which was express your concern. Even though your theory is very well written and thought out, the Illuminous Theo theory which suggested that some man named Dimitre who was ill - died instead of Michael - so they could pull off the hoax - so maybe this informant is just using a variation of that - and I think was posted awhile ago.

You shouldnt feel guilty or bad Rolling Eyes We have enough to deal with - with the roller coaster of emotions we all have to deal with.
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Post by annieisnotokey on Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:00 pm

CantStopLovingU wrote:Well I just looked through dozens and dozens of MJ pics from thriller to history and the eyes are exactly the same in every single one. Whether Michael was "black" or "white" the eyes - that distinct rounding he has just like his Mom Katherine is exactly the same. I dont see how Jonathan could have been slipped in - at least not from what I can see.

IMHO Michael has been Michael all along.
Once thing is to think he has doubles to confuse papparazzi, get out of a fan crowd undetected or even fake his death.
A completely different and even disrespectful thing is to think that somebody else has been living his life,
marrying his wives, having & raising his children, accepting awards, making appearances, giving interviews, recording his songs and
performing live (amongst other things) since 1991!!
I know we are all upset because of tomorrow's burial but shamone! let's keep it a wee bit more real, plz.


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Post by annieisnotokey on Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:02 pm

CantStopLovingU wrote:Dont feel bad Annie, you cant control that. You did the best you could do which was express your concern. Even though your theory is very well written and thought out, the Illuminous Theo theory which suggested that some man named Dimitre who was ill - died instead of Michael - so they could pull off the hoax - so maybe this informant is just using a variation of that - and I think was posted awhile ago.

You shouldnt feel guilty or bad Rolling Eyes We have enough to deal with - with the roller coaster of emotions we all have to deal with.

Thank you! cheers
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Post by GirlSaturday on Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:27 pm

What is the Black MJ vs White MJ theory?

nohype wrote:I have a feeling that this person is trying to push the "Black MJ" vs. "White MJ" theory.
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Post by Guest on Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:31 pm

Iv only just had chance to read all this thread, i think its preposterous to think that Michael had faked all his life, or part of it, of course everything we have seen of shows, singing, dancing has always been Michael, no one could ever match him, he was always amazing, one of a kind!! A double does not live ones life, marrying wives, entertaining, etc....they are just a decoy to put papparazzi, media, fans, in one place so Michael can have privacy in another place.

So never think Michael ever got someone else to play out his life or entertain us...only he can do that, lots of pretenders but unfortunately they are not Michael, who was and still is the greatest entertainer we will ever see in our lifetimes...Im like a stuck record on the entertainer bit because its how iv felt all my life about him, and still no one has come along to take that crown, because they cant ever!!

But the Johnathan thing is not a special name its been banded about for some time now...there are also two other names over the years, i will find out what they are as im not sure yet, and dont want to post until im sure, Im sure there will be more names unknown to us too....so the person who made contact with whoever giving this info may well have just been told because it isnt new news. But only used as a decoy not to live his life, haha.


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Post by meleah3 on Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:37 pm

Hmmmmm....not plausible in my mind. MJ had incredible talent and gifts that don't come along every day....look at how the music and TV industry was effected by MJ....finding someone who could take his place would be next to impossible. Just
can't buy that one.

I'm 51 and I've been watching MJ all my life....the one time I
sat watching him on TV and thought "wow, that does not seem like MJ at all" was
at the "This Is It" announcement. I thought "he's either high as a kite or that's not
him". His gait was different (his stride when he walked), his movements were different....his confidence level was totally different as well. He was extremely animated and it was evident to me, whoever that was, was high as hell.
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Post by Give.In.To.Me on Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:39 pm

Mad This whole thing has my head messed up!!! I have to agree with annie though..18 years seems a little much in terms of a double living your life. Off topic a little.... However I did notice that our "last rehearsal" MJ appears to be an aged form of the the 90's looking MJ. Rather than the MJ we have seen in the last couple years(court MJs, Awards Show MJs, etc) Not saying those MJs are doubles or imposters but when I think how 90s MJ would look at 50 I think of the rehearsal MJ we all saw. God...I hope that makes sense outside of my own brain alien
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Post by jade jackson on Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:42 pm

Thanks for being a voice of reason Annie. Don't let the meanies get you down. Just keep doing what you're doing. We need your take on things to keep us on an even keel. This whole situation is strange enough just as it is. I know I am very confused about this whole burial thing. How can they possibly think that after two months of autopsies etc Michael could possibly have his make-up done and his hair styled and look presentable for a funeral. That's a different topic but I am just going crazy here. It's as if the whole world has gone insane. It's just too bizarre. The whole thing. One day I'm going to write out a complete list of all the ridiculous things that people have been expected to believe. If we are asking all of these questions, surely there must be reporters and journalists who are asking them too. Where are they?
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