UPDATED! INFORMANT makes 2nd Contact - Provides more CLUES on Jonathan

meleah3 wrote:Hmmmmm....not plausible in my mind. MJ had incredible talent and gifts that don't come along every day....look at how the music and TV industry was effected by MJ....finding someone who could take his place would be next to impossible. Just
can't buy that one.

I'm 51 and I've been watching MJ all my life....the one time I
sat watching him on TV and thought "wow, that does not seem like MJ at all" was
at the "This Is It" announcement. I thought "he's either high as a kite or that's not
him". His gait was different (his stride when he walked), his movements were different....his confidence level was totally different as well. He was extremely animated and it was evident to me, whoever that was, was high as hell.

annieisnotokey wrote:Does anybody else think that believing MJ had a double that lived his life since 1991 is a wee bit insane???

Please don't shoot me, but even for me this sounds too far fetched...

jade jackson wrote:Thanks for being a voice of reason Annie. Don't let the meanies get you down. Just keep doing what you're doing. We need your take on things to keep us on an even keel. This whole situation is strange enough just as it is. I know I am very confused about this whole burial thing. How can they possibly think that after two months of autopsies etc Michael could possibly have his make-up done and his hair styled and look presentable for a funeral. That's a different topic but I am just going crazy here. It's as if the whole world has gone insane. It's just too bizarre. The whole thing. One day I'm going to write out a complete list of all the ridiculous things that people have been expected to believe. If we are asking all of these questions, surely there must be reporters and journalists who are asking them too. Where are they?

GirlSaturday wrote:Bang , bang!

annieisnotokey wrote:

CantStopLovingU wrote:
You would think so but we do not know where Jonathan came from. Michael morphed so much between the years of 1991 until now. Im starting to think that some of the videos where people claim Michael had a deep voice and that his high falsetto voice was something he played up - was really Jonathan speaking in his own deep voice.

So Lisa Marie Presley married Jonathan, because she kept talking about MJ having a deep voice.

Indeed YES, if its true, cause she married MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON, and not Michael Joe Jackson O.O

Annie this sillyness somehow fits our theory similarities!However I can not picture other than the real MJ performing, I can see the

annieisnotokey wrote:Does anybody else think that believing MJ had a double that lived his life since 1991 is a wee bit insane???

Please don't shoot me, but even for me this sounds too far fetched...

neverlandsfairy wrote:

annieisnotokey wrote:

CantStopLovingU wrote:
You would think so but we do not know where Jonathan came from. Michael morphed so much between the years of 1991 until now. Im starting to think that some of the videos where people claim Michael had a deep voice and that his high falsetto voice was something he played up - was really Jonathan speaking in his own deep voice.

So Lisa Marie Presley married Jonathan, because she kept talking about MJ having a deep voice.

Indeed YES, if its true, cause she married MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON, and not Michael Joe Jackson O.O

Annie this sillyness somehow fits our theory similarities!However I can not picture other than the real MJ performing, I can see the fake one, better the decoy one, going into public appearances!

neverlandsfairy wrote:

annieisnotokey wrote:Does anybody else think that believing MJ had a double that lived his life since 1991 is a wee bit insane???

Please don't shoot me, but even for me this sounds too far fetched...

Nope it´d not be, if, and just if he was used to mislead the media.But as I said before, I can not see him performing, however I picture him as a kind of "namesake" for banking arrangments, overseas investments, new ventures. As your untraceable deal with Dr.Tohme, but instead of making it on shadows, RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR FACE.

mysticallymagestically wrote:This informant comes across as extremely patronizing and condescending. And this sounds like a wild goose chase.
ETA: spelling (oops)

yaya wrote:if this is in fact an issue of white michael vs. black michael, i have an extremely hard time buying that. michael has been the same person ever since the jackson 5. or ever since he was born, for that matter. i don't care how good and talented someone is at attempting to replicate michael's moves and voice, they can never do it just like he can. even if they had all the surgeries in the world, they'll never look identical to him. similar, but not identical.

i do find it interesting how this informant gives us the name jonathan, but not his last name. if jonathan is the key, then why did the informant tell us that researching him won't do us any good? that just confuses me.

and i agree with lorrie; the person should just tell us whatever it is they think we should know, instead of wanting us to run around like chickens with our heads cut off. ever since MJHD was created, we've been trying to figure this all out and now someone wants us to go on a wild goose chase. it get's tiring...

meleah3 wrote:Ok, definitely he had a body double. Definitely there were double's who could dance some and looked the part....probably like others have suggested (to distract the papparazzi, etc) but to trade lives for 2 days muchless 18 yrs does not sound rational to me.

Faggettaboutit....

PS. Annie, Pls don't be discouraged. You did nothing wrong! I want to apologize to you too, because I did not know that when someone starts a thread on their theory, that others were not supposed to interfere with that (sorry, am a little slow learning the rules here). Annie, you were the reason I signed onto this forum!! It was YOUR theory that got my attention enough to make me begin doing my own research!!!

annieisnotokey wrote:

neverlandsfairy wrote:

annieisnotokey wrote:

CantStopLovingU wrote:
You would think so but we do not know where Jonathan came from. Michael morphed so much between the years of 1991 until now. Im starting to think that some of the videos where people claim Michael had a deep voice and that his high falsetto voice was something he played up - was really Jonathan speaking in his own deep voice.

So Lisa Marie Presley married Jonathan, because she kept talking about MJ having a deep voice.

Indeed YES, if its true, cause she married MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON, and not Michael Joe Jackson O.O

Annie this sillyness somehow fits our theory similarities!However I can not picture other than the real MJ performing, I can see the fake one, better the decoy one, going into public appearances!

Fairy, I agree with you.
It certainly fits your name theory and that could have been going on for a large number of years.
It also fits my decoy theory in order to hoax his death. But, once thing is to think he has doubles to confuse papparazzi, get out of a fan crowd undetected or even fake his death, also for your name theory. However, a completely different and even disrespectful thing is to think that somebody else has been living his life, marrying his wives, having & raising his children, accepting awards, making important appearances, giving interviews, recording his songs and performing live (amongst other things) since 1991!! And that's what I think is far fetched!

GirlSaturday wrote:As a Black person, I am noticing... and am quite curious about these references to a white and black Michael. Please clarify what is meant by white Michael vs black Michael.

annieisnotokey wrote:

GirlSaturday wrote:As a Black person, I am noticing... and am quite curious about these references to a white and black Michael. Please clarify what is meant by white Michael vs black Michael.

Some people say that the real MJ died / dissappeared years ago (mid 80s) and he was replaced by a white person.
So vitiligo and plastic surgeries stories were made up to cover the fact that the real black Michael was replaced by a white look alike.

A bunch of BS if you ask me, and seriously disrespectful.

neverlandsfairy wrote:
Well. The name issue is really the loophole that can proof or debunk it. About raise his children , I never said that, I see him as namesake, someone to be used as a "ghost" accounting for venues and investments.Also I never stated him receiving awards, going in important ones.But those where we have seen him since 90´s wearing a mask, waving from hotels, who knows if its not really this guy?

Surely was on the early 90´s when the discrepancies started, and here as he said, Im not talking about mistakes.

I BELIEVE MIKE HAS VITILIGO, I SAW HIM!I BELIEVE HE PERFORMED ,SUNG, DANCED AND WENT ON ALL HIS TOURS AND VIDEOS AS WELL.

But the 2 names issue, had triggered the namesake/double/decoy whatever we call this man, as a strong possibility!

However, Lisa Marie was married with Joseph (we can see it on their wedding)...And this is very weird!AND at this point my head is spinning!

But on the other side, I dont believe the BCertificates from his kids, published on TMZ were real.So they for sure are registered as Michael Joe Jackson´s children.

GirlSaturday wrote:Ummm WTH, WTF and add a sprinkle of LMBAO!

annieisnotokey wrote:

GirlSaturday wrote:As a Black person, I am noticing... and am quite curious about these references to a white and black Michael. Please clarify what is meant by white Michael vs black Michael.

Some people say that the real MJ died / dissappeared years ago (mid 80s) and he was replaced by a white person.
So vitiligo and plastic surgeries stories were made up to cover the fact that the real black Michael was replaced by a white look alike.

A bunch of BS if you ask me, and seriously disrespectful.

Human_nature wrote:Sorry, but I just can't believe this story. Jonathan = Total fabrication from someone who really need attention....

Ok about some impersonator or double at some point ( as decoy and things like that) but never to perform or nothing like that.

And inconsistencies in his life.... yes maybe, but I have inconsistencies in my life...nobody know because I don't have zillion paparazzi around me.

Many personalities, I have many too. And I'm not the only one. If you really think about it, we all have many personality sides.

So....nope, Michael is Michael

CantStopLovingU wrote:MAYBE what Informant was trying to say was that Jonathan started to come out in 1991 - Not that he "took over" as Michael from 1991.

If he started to be Michael in public that could have gone on for a very long time before he officially took over. I do not think that the Informant said that Jonathan took over in 1991 ... He said start to look at the inconsistencies starting in 1991.

Human_nature wrote:

CantStopLovingU wrote:MAYBE what Informant was trying to say was that Jonathan started to come out in 1991 - Not that he "took over" as Michael from 1991.

If he started to be Michael in public that could have gone on for a very long time before he officially took over. I do not think that the Informant said that Jonathan took over in 1991 ... He said start to look at the inconsistencies starting in 1991.

for me..starting looking at the inconsistencies in 1991 mean, he started to do something , somewhere. And I really can't see.

So, I'll keep my opinion about this one, no offence.

CantStopLovingU wrote:Someone said on the MJHD forum that we should not be so quick to dismiss things we dont think are possible. I agree.

Grace wrote:

MJFoReVeRandAlways wrote:"Maybe he JUST FAKED HIS LIFE ... Maybe THAT resulted in his death."

And if Michael were not at all what we made out of him believing in what we saw and heard?

This is really getting tough stuff now.

The fake vid of RTL showed the "making of a fake vid".

The fake death of MJ now showed the "making of a fake death"?

What if the whole life of MJ were fake and the death were truth?
Meaning the lies were stopped finally?
No MJ, no entertainer, nothing was existing since years but only made to belief "as if"?
A fake created by music industry, an artificial artist to be "put on scene" by anybody jumping into the role?

Everywhere, where there is a microphone there is a tape and a studio and behind that there is software to "produce" music or interviews?

Everywhere, where there is a camera there is a film and a cutting device and behind that there is some software to "produce" footage?

We learned to look closer now and question more with this shock.
We learned to watch, observe, look twice then three times and still find questionmarks and doubts.

Was Mike never existing but constantly being replaced by another actor who was "fitted" to the job by scalpels and training?

I am forced to think of disney movies where so many persons are drawing the "one" Mickey Mouse. And you'll never notice how many persons were father and mother to Mickey.

My mind just gets blown away. sorry ladies, this is a lot.

Would it be possible that we witnessed for years a fake artificial person, put on stage by ever other doubles?

Where was real Mike then and why was all executed this way?
And why the end of the tide now and not 10 years ago?

I read a comment on Mike today that was astounding.
The person said: either MJ died 10 years to late - he would stay in memory different if he had not been there during the last 10 years - or he died too soon to have shown to the world he could impact this much.

I have to go to bed - I am really somewhat lost now.
Don't kill me on my thoughts, pls. This was just what ran through my mind when this Jonathan story got into it. And no, no insane here. I just try to stay open to whatever comes along.

CantStopLovingU wrote:

Makes my head spin.

illusionist wrote:You guys, please don't pay attention to this "informant". He's full of shit. Seriously. Your heart does not play tricks on you, but your mind does. Look within your heart.

Only is he/she comes with good things that doesnt F up some peoples minds in here, isnt the first time sorry no offense.

neverlandsfairy wrote:

CantStopLovingU wrote:

MJFoReVeRandAlways wrote:"Maybe he JUST FAKED HIS LIFE ... Maybe THAT resulted in his death."

Wonder what he/she means by that??

I know, I think out of everything he said, that this is the most profound statement of all.

IF Michael "Faked" his life that would mean that Michael retired from being Michael and Jonathan took over everything from singing, to performing, to touring ... unless Michael was really singing in the studio - His voice IMO is too unique for someone else to master.

So IF Michael faked his life - meaning someone else Jonathan lived Michaels life for him, if Jonathan DIED technically that would result in the death of MJ because Jonathan is living for Michael.

So the real Michael is not gone. Jonathan is gone - but Jonathan is what the world thinks is Michael and has been Michael since 1991??

HOLY GOD, IM tremblying, I just posted my theory that even the time I suggested this person to go into MJ´s life, fits.IF HE SWITCHED HIS NAME FOR MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON (here is the great hole), we will have the 100% AFFIRMATION about Mike´s name discrepancies.And also the reason of him starting to be know as Joseph during this period.

If he deeded his original name as Johnattan, to Michael Joseph Jackson we have our case closed!

But I agree about the studio records, video clips and touring, NO ONE can replace the energy and uniqueness of Michael Joe Jackson.Thus, for public appearances, interviews, and etc would make a lot of sense O.O.

I think i will faint!Oh my this is my theory!

Someone even able to get his money, his estate control, his probates under a namesake!So if this guy legaly switched his birth name, WE DISCLOSURED IT!

Sweet1 wrote:He was from MJHD site back in June/July that provided clues to everyone on the forum. His name was JCC or JC or something to that affect. Anyway! he was just like the informant in providing clues. Keep the Faith!

phoenix wrote:well i cant say that this informant is a lier because i dont know for sure but i dont like how someone can tell some things (without even really giving us some information) an people start to question everything they thought about Michael...its so wrong..
Maybe(!!!) there was a double who made public appereances or whatever but there is no way he could have taken Michaels place...its as stupid as to hear that the black Michael and the white Michael are not the same person....
you can imitate someone when you learn how he acts but on stage (i am sure about that) there have only been one MJ- look at his eyes and smile- you cant fake those things