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Post by Rach on Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:38 pm

GirlSaturday wrote:Cheryl? Who the hell is Cheryl? Michael did indeed hoax his death/vanish.....but not on June 25th. - Page 4 Lol Michael did indeed hoax his death/vanish.....but not on June 25th. - Page 4 Icon_scratch

OMG I'm sorry but I just read your PM and I am laughing so much and blushing so bad! I will reply to it now but I believe EVERYTHING you said 10000000000%!!!!!!!
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Post by emanviam on Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:44 pm

Rach wrote:Hey Guys.

I first of all want to start out by saying this is just a THEORY which myself and Bidoska have spent many hours working on. We don't know that is the absolute truth and to be honest, we never will do but after spending many hours researching videos, concerts and photographs we have come to the following conclusion. You don't have to believe and it and we won't justify it to to anyone. You are free to make your own mind up on it. We believe that Michael Jackson did indeed hoax his death or vanish but it wasn't on June 25th and to understand where we are coming from you need to go back to 1993.

I posted a thread yesterday with Michael's photos on them because I wanted to see what peoples reactions were to Michael's changing appreance throughout the years. Many of you came to the conclusion that it wasn't the same man in the latter part of the pictures and this is the same lines that me and Bidoska have been working on. Here is the thread so you can have a look at it.

https://mjkit.forumotion.net/pictures-hoax-f11/let-s-play-a-game-t1504.htm

Now you will notice that after the 1992 picture, Michael starts to look like a different person in almost each picture. As The Little White Bird pointed out no amount of plastic surgery can change your apperance that much and there will always be some similarities to be able to establish that it's the same person. Now after 1995, me and Bidoksa don't see any evidence that this is the same person. The nose changes too many times, as do the cheek bones and have a look at the eyes. In some photos they look small and closed while in others they look big, like back in the BAD days. Also notice how from 2006 it was difficult to get a photo of Michael without his shades on. From the above can you see where I am going with this? The man we have bene seeing all these years was NOT the real Michael Jackson but a very convincing double.

Now let's go back to 1993 when me and Bidoska believe that all of this happened. This was the time when Michael was accused of child abuse by Jordan Chandler. I cannot even begin to imagine what that would have been like for Michael. Now if I place myself in his shoes, I would want to settle the matter as soon as possible and get the heck out of dodge. Let's entertain the idea for one moment that's what happened. However, Michael is the most famous man on the planet and wouldn't be able to just "dissapear". He would be hounded wherever he went. So he decided he needed someone to fill in for him and this is where the idea of a body double comes in. No-one heard of Michael for many years after 1993. He retreated to his home and didn't do any public performances, which would have given the double adequate time to perfect his mannerisms, such as his voice and the way Michael conducts himself.

Have a look at the following videos and tell me what you see. The first is a performance of "Smooth Criminal" in Mexico in 1993 from the "Dangerous" tour. The second is from the 3oth anniversary show where Michael is performing "You Rock My World". I chose these two because Michael is signing live. As much as I love Michael he rarely sang live and I wanted to point out the difference in his voice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07v6tB_OLR8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENHn9UvjPrY

I know that there are 8 years in the two performances but look at the mannerisms. Have you ever wondered why in later years Michael covered his mouth a lot when he was performing? Almost like he was aware that people were judging him? I have never seen this happen before 1993, only after. Now back to the live vocals. In the first video Michael seems happy, relaxed and even though dancing a vigorous routine he is in control of his voice. In the second, he seems out of breath and not in control of his vocals. I don't mean to be rude so please don't think I am! As I mentioned above, Michael often lip synched even though he had an amazing voice. Why would he feel the need to do that? Both myself and Bidoska feel that someone who knew they couldn't pull of Michael's amazing vocal talent would feel the need to do so.

Now lets come to 2003 and the LWMJ documentary. I am sure many of you have seen this but lets take a step back and look at these two different pieces of footage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7RDCDLLIm8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxzhD6jgNIY

To me they look like different people. The person in the second piece of footage looks bloated and while not fat, looks bigger in shape to the person who is the first video. While one can argue that this is shot over 8 months and a person will change, if you watch the whole thing you will see that there are several times thoughout the whole thing where Michael looks different. I would urge you to watch it again with fresh eyes! It's almost like Michael is constantly changing.

I want to come back to a comment that The Little White Bird left on the picture thread about how Michael looked different inbetween the "Dangerous" and "HIStory" tours but like the same person on the tours. I agree with him 100%. I believe that the real Michael HAD to perform on the tour because he knew there was no way he could fool anyone into believing that a subpar version was him. This ties in with "This Is It" and maybe why they never went ahead. Again the real Michael knows that no-one can do him justice and that a fake will be spotted straight away. Have a look at this footage from the 2006 WMAs. It's Michae singing "We Are The World".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp3F5IUrl3A

Firstly look at how he walks on stage, much like the O2 man. Also he only sings a few lines but listen to them. The voice is VERY breathy and not Michael like at all. I will let you draw your own conclusion to this. Also pause at 2:11 and have a look at the facial features. Small eyes and dark big lips. Not like the Michael we are used to seeing.

If we look at the facts that are detailed above it seems to indicate one thing. Even if "Michael" did die on June 25th it may not have been THE Michael Jackson, the one we all grew up with. So who's to say that Michael isn't going to make a come back?!

As I said above, this wasn't intended to hurt or offend anyone and if you don't believe it simply move on and don't comment and myself and Bidoska will not justify our findings. However I think we should keep an open mind as to EVERY possibility in this case because as we have seen it's far from simple.

Thanks for reading Smile

Rachel and Bidoska.

Did I forget to say GREAT JOB!!!??????? Michael did indeed hoax his death/vanish.....but not on June 25th. - Page 4 Icon_cheers
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Post by GirlSaturday on Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:46 pm

Rachel (and other family members)...

I told you in "Random things about myself" that I have a twisted/warped/demented sense of humor. You should have considered yourself warned...

Plus....you have to admit that my PM's 18+ commentary would make for an excellent theme of a XXX porn movie. Michael did indeed hoax his death/vanish.....but not on June 25th. - Page 4 Icon_twisted
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GirlSaturday wrote:Cheryl? Who the hell is Cheryl? Michael did indeed hoax his death/vanish.....but not on June 25th. - Page 4 Lol Michael did indeed hoax his death/vanish.....but not on June 25th. - Page 4 Icon_scratch

OMG I'm sorry but I just read your PM and I am laughing so much and blushing so bad! I will reply to it now but I believe EVERYTHING you said 10000000000%!!!!!!!
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Post by Rach on Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:48 pm

LOL that it would!

However I have been asked by other members to tone this down so I will PM you and we can "discuss" this more!
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Post by GirlSaturday on Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:53 pm

Really? I will step up and apologize on our behalf. Michael did indeed hoax his death/vanish.....but not on June 25th. - Page 4 Icon_redface Michael did indeed hoax his death/vanish.....but not on June 25th. - Page 4 Icon_sad

Ladies and gents of the site...
I apologize for taking the thread offtopic. It was not my intent to hijack the thread and go in another route than where it was originally intended.

Rach wrote:LOL that it would!

However I have been asked by other members to tone this down so I will PM you and we can "discuss" this more!
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Post by Smelly on Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:01 am

Sorry I'm a bit late on this but, GREAT JOB Rach and Bidoska!!!
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Post by Rach on Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:03 am

Smelly wrote:Sorry I'm a bit late on this but, GREAT JOB Rach and Bidoska!!!

Awww thanks Honey! It seems people are pretty much split 50/50 on this subject but as I said I'm not trying to convice anyone!

Glad you enjoyed reading it Smile
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Post by infinitylady on Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:25 am

I disagree that believe MJ died in 1984. He may have had impersonators but I don't believe he passed since then. It was definitely him on the Ebony Mag in 2007.
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Post by Guest on Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:27 am

infinitylady wrote:I disagree that believe MJ died in 1984. He may have had impersonators but I don't believe he passed since then. It was definitely him on the Ebony Mag in 2007.

I agree that is complete BS.

Michael didnt die back then that is for sure
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Post by infinitylady on Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:39 am

I think we are taking some of this a bit too far. I know he was a mystery to many of us. I know that the media has pretty much damage this man's reputation. Has told so many lies, fables, myths, it's hard to believe what is the truth anymore but to say that he died in 1984. Noway!! MJ didn't die.
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Post by Rach on Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:52 pm

infinitylady wrote:I think we are taking some of this a bit too far. I know he was a mystery to many of us. I know that the media has pretty much damage this man's reputation. Has told so many lies, fables, myths, it's hard to believe what is the truth anymore but to say that he died in 1984. Noway!! MJ didn't die.

Ok first of all, I never said he died in 1984. I said that I believed from 1993 there have been many people who have posed/worked as "Michael Jackson" without us knowing about it. I think you misunderstood the theory.
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Post by Peace on Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:08 pm

In the we are the world video, he can't sing! The Michael we've been seeing lately without glasses had really long almond shape eyes, and he always need readers. I thought Michael had rounder, slightly almond shape eyes.
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Post by Human_nature on Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:34 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BAuRoL7HmI
"Cry"

[Verse 1]
Somebody shakes when the wind blows
Somebody's missing a friend, hold on
Somebody's lacking a hero
And they have not a clue
When it's all gonna end

[Verse 2]
Stories buried and untold
Someone is hiding the truth, hold on
When will this mystery unfold
And will the sun ever shine
In the blind man's eyes when he cries?

[Chorus:]
You can change the world (I can't do it by myself)
You can touch the sky (Gonna take somebody's help)
You're the chosen one (I'm gonna need some kind of sign)
If we all cry at the same time tonight

[Verse 3]
People laugh when they're feelin sad
Someone is taking a life, hold on
Respect to believe in your dreams
Tell me where were you
when your children cried last night?

[Verse 4]
Faces fill with madness
Miracles unheard of, hold on
Faith is found in the winds
All we have to do
Is reach for the truth

[Chorus]

And when that flag blows
There'll be no more wars
And when all calls
I will answer all your prayers

[Chorus x3]

Change the world


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Post by jess.loves.mj on Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:28 am

Ok that was definitely an interesting theory, thanks for letting us in on your thoughts. While I'm not sure about the use of imposters for such a long time, I do admit that in the german timeline posted, years 1991, 1994, 1997 and [possibly] 1998 look off. Doesn't look like MJ. In fact, I think that 1997 pic is Navi. I'm quite convinced of that one.
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Post by infinitylady on Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:37 am

My apology for misunderstanding your theory.
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Post by CantStopLovingU on Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:50 am

Peace wrote:In the we are the world video, he can't sing! The Michael we've been seeing lately without glasses had really long almond shape eyes, and he always need readers. I thought Michael had rounder, slightly almond shape eyes.

This is a good point. Michaels eyes were so big and round and beautiful! You are right, the MJ we have seen in the later years almost had squinty eyes.

The reading glasses are a common need after age 40, so that isnt too big of a deal, but the shape of his eyes completely changed. Even with an eye lift or other plastic surgery, I dont think you can change the eye that much. Those beautiful, fluttery big eyes he used to have seemed to disappear.

Im thinking of the eyes of Michael when he did the speak in London about Tommy M. being a devil. Those are the eyes I speak of. The eyes on the WMA Michael were nothing like the big doe eyes he used to have.
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Post by aamj07 on Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:51 pm

Rach, I have a question regarding your theory..I hope you don't mind me asking! I'm in no way shape or form asking you to defend your theory, I'm just curious about your thoughts on this.

Based off of your theory (please correct me if I'm wrong) it is your opinion that MJ has been using doubles for quite some time now except for most performances and interviews. If this is the case, who do we see on outings with his children? MJ or the double? I know his kids are a "hot" topic so to speak that seems to get everyone riled up but that's not my intent so please don't take it that way! I am just interested in how his children fit into your theory.

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Post by Rach on Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:01 pm

aamj07 wrote:Rach, I have a question regarding your theory..I hope you don't mind me asking! I'm in no way shape or form asking you to defend your theory, I'm just curious about your thoughts on this.

Based off of your theory (please correct me if I'm wrong) it is your opinion that MJ has been using doubles for quite some time now except for most performances and interviews. If this is the case, who do we see on outings with his children? MJ or the double? I know his kids are a "hot" topic so to speak that seems to get everyone riled up but that's not my intent so please don't take it that way! I am just interested in how his children fit into your theory.

Thanks babe! Michael did indeed hoax his death/vanish.....but not on June 25th. - Page 4 Herz

Good question Hon!

Ok so my thoughts on the children are as follows. I think for the MOST part it was Michael but I want to draw your attention to the following photo.

Michael did indeed hoax his death/vanish.....but not on June 25th. - Page 4 Mangeledear

Look at the ear and I would also recommend having a look at this thread to get fimilar with the ear debate.

https://mjkit.forumotion.net/pictures-hoax-f11/ears-mjs-ears-t436.htm?highlight=ears

Leading up to Michael's "death" his ear changed numerous times. It was either mangeled like above or was perfectly normal. How does this happen? Using a double that's how!!

I believe that the above picture is the double and he has what looks like Blanket with him. Although, I do believe most of the time it was the real Michael with the children because we know how much he loves them.
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Post by aamj07 on Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:25 pm

I completely agree with you, I also figured that if Michael used a double it would still be him the majority of the time out with the children. I do remember the thread about the mangled ear...I agree that the pic above is most likely NOT Michael. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing! This is all so confusing. I want answers, lol!

...and the world collectively asks "WTF".
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Post by annieisnotokey on Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:29 pm

aamj07 wrote:I completely agree with you, I also figured that if Michael used a double it would still be him the majority of the time out with the children. I do remember the thread about the mangled ear...I agree that the pic above is most likely NOT Michael. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing! This is all so confusing. I want answers, lol!

...and the world collectively asks "WTF".

My 2 cents:

The sole use of a decoy/double to fill in for you (and even die in your place) implies a great amount of trust in that person, so I'm sure MJ was comfortable with his kids being around this guy.

Additionally, when they went out they always had their bodyguards around, so the kids were safe anyway.
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Post by Rach on Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:35 pm

Annie are you ok, will you tell us that you're ok?!

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let's join forces girl! We could take over the world Smile
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Post by aamj07 on Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:36 pm

I agree Annie.

If the sole purpose of this person was to fill in for MJ in every day life and, possibly even die in his place, surely he would trust this person with his children.

Do you remember the thread about the youtube video where Michael was shopping at Ed Hardy with his children, and in one part of the clip we see TWO Michaels? I wonder how often he AND the double went on outings with the kids and maybe the real MJ stayed in the car & sent the double out into the stores, etc, with them.
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Post by annieisnotokey on Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:11 pm

Rach wrote:Annie are you ok, will you tell us that you're ok?!

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let's join forces girl! We could take over the world Smile

OMG, you reminded me of my best friend!! We went to school and university together and she used to say we were like Pinky and The Brain and that we would eventually take over the world.

Now she lives in Spain and I miss her soooo much!

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Post by hungry on Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:14 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:
Rach wrote:Annie are you ok, will you tell us that you're ok?!

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let's join forces girl! We could take over the world Michael did indeed hoax his death/vanish.....but not on June 25th. - Page 4 Icon_smile

OMG, you reminded me of my best friend!! We went to school and university together and she used to say we were like Pinky and The Brain and that we would eventually take over the world.

Now she lives in Spain and I miss her soooo much!

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The brain scares me *shudders*
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Post by annieisnotokey on Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:15 pm

aamj07 wrote:I agree Annie.

If the sole purpose of this person was to fill in for MJ in every day life and, possibly even die in his place, surely he would trust this person with his children.

Do you remember the thread about the youtube video where Michael was shopping at Ed Hardy with his children, and in one part of the clip we see TWO Michaels? I wonder how often he AND the double went on outings with the kids and maybe the real MJ stayed in the car & sent the double out into the stores, etc, with them.

Yes, I remember about the Ed Hardy shopping trip. That was so weird because it kinda looked like a mirror and then bam!, each MJ was moving differently.

I'm so counting on this double/decoy story to be true!!

For the record: I'm not sure I agree the double/decoy goes all the way back to the 90s, but I'm sure he's been around in the last couple of years.
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Post by annieisnotokey on Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:15 pm

hungry wrote:The brain scares me *shudders*

I was The Brain, so you should be scared of me! lol!
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Post by nlb on Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:19 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:
Rach wrote:Annie are you ok, will you tell us that you're ok?!

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let's join forces girl! We could take over the world Michael did indeed hoax his death/vanish.....but not on June 25th. - Page 4 Icon_smile

OMG, you reminded me of my best friend!! We went to school and university together and she used to say we were like Pinky and The Brain and that we would eventually take over the world.

Now she lives in Spain and I miss her soooo much!

Michael did indeed hoax his death/vanish.....but not on June 25th. - Page 4 Pinky_brain

Michael did indeed hoax his death/vanish.....but not on June 25th. - Page 4 Lol I love Pinky and the Brain!
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Post by Rach on Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:34 pm

I am now locking this thread but thank you to everyone who has taken the time out to read it and comment.

Myself and Bidoska appreciate it very much.

I will now be posting my theories on a new blog I have set up so if you would like the link, feel free to drop me a PM and I will be more than happy to give it to you.

Once again sincere apologises to anyone it upset.
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