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Post by HeavyHearts on Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:58 am

I don't know about you guys but I have cried every day for the past 3 months over Michael's death. I still can't believe it. I don't understand how everyone close to him, not one of them have cried (in public only obviously), or not that I've seen. At his memorial his kids were oddly composed. Did anyone else notice paris' speech was tearless? I think theres a photo of blanket crying, but personally it looks like he's crying because he's more scared than anything. I think Elizabeth Taylor looked like she'd been crying at his funeral but that is all that I can remember.

Does this prove something is going on?
I mean the people closest are the only ones who know if he is alive or not
and if he was really dead, don't you think they'd be more upset?

Im sure this would have been said before somewhere,
but when I searched for the topic none came up

So what do you guys think? Do you find the lack of emotion as a sign? Do you find it odd? I know I do


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Post by Guest on Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:06 am

You are not the only one who has been crying for the past 3 months.. OMG!! Today its actually 3 months Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_sad

I dont believe for one second that Michael died. The only way, I will ever believe it, is if they convict murray. Other than that Michael is alive for me, and that is the way its going to be, for the rest of my life.

I dont want to comment on the children.
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Post by PYT on Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:19 am

Yes, i have to agree the family hasnt shown much emotion and i cant come up with a reason why that is.

I know if i lost anyone of my brothers, or a close family member period, i would go completely insane.

I have also cried a lot after Michaels death, and although i never got to meet him, i really felt as though i had lost someone really close to me. I did not even cry when my grandfather died because i only met him once and he spent his life entire life back in africa. I couldnt cry. But, for Michael, I cried so much, Ive lost so much sleep, and walked around with a 'heavy heart' for weeks. To this day, I cant look at the poster on my wall without feeling really sad or listen to 'speechless' without crying.

The families grieving process was really short and seemingly ungenuine.

I really dont know where us hoax believers are going to end up in this journey, but i have a feeling we're digging in dangerous grounds, and i couldnt be happier to be a part of this. I think i may be a believer until the day i die, even if Michael never shows up again.
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Post by MJSmile4Us on Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:33 am

I couldn't agree with u more. I remember crying my eyes out until I was too exhausted to shed anymore tears on July 7th and onwards..that day in particular was really difficult to have self-control as I couldn't stop crying - it felt like I had all those tears in and seeing his coffin and the memorial pushed me over the edge to just let them out and never cried as hard as I did that day Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_cry

But I couldn't believe the lack of emotion the whole Jackson family members have showed since JUNE 25th which surprised me. who promotes his record label right after his son's 'death'??

his brothers, Jermaine in particular of course is a sick mad man trying to make money off Michael's name and 'death'. he seems to be everywhere these days - recently saw him on tv for the 'dancing with the stars' where he was there to accompany Marie Osmond - I just muted throught the whole thing adn turned back the volume up again once he was gone Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_mad


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Post by Red Velvet on Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:38 am

I agree with you HeavyHearts. I honestly mean no offense to anyone on this board or reading this who feels the way some do who say, "people all react to things differently" - I find that annoying because its an insult imo to the average intelligence.

Of course people respond differently to things but its frustrating when certain things are pretty obvious and everyone seems to want to give the "benefit of the doubt".

I feel there's a reason there are so many people who say that it doesn't seem by the response of the family that Michael is dead. I've found non-fans, non-internet dwelling people to say the same thing.

I don't just look at their behavior as being that they're not acting like Michael died.

IMO they're not acting like anybody died. There is a sense of "reverence" and "somberness" of attitude that is missing from the entire experience imo.

Liz did look like she had red eyes and there is no telling why that was. It could easily have been to portray a look that she'd been crying (she is an oscar winning actress and a VERY good friend of MJ) and yet her facial expression looks very serene, not like she "lost a best friend" she was about to watch get buried.

The children, I have defended in every imo meaningful way I know how (such as calling Show Biz tonight and telling them to knock it off with the paternity garbage because it was "child abuse" and thankfully they did, and I probably wasn't the only one) but I don't mind commenting on the fact that they are not imo children who seem like they lost

1) a most special parent in the whole wide world

2) an ONLY parent in the whole wide world

3) a parent period

I'm sure MJ taught his kids, "smile when your heart is aching" and that they are Jacksons so they are to be strong etc.

I also think he probably supported them mostly in being fully self-expressed, innocent and free spirited, and open, and honest, and for that reason I'd expect them to be a lot more expressive in some way or other if their "daddy" DIED.

As for darling and beautiful, smart little Paris, I saw no tears from that sweet, beautiful, precious thing, and during her speech her voice seemed to "break" before her countenance did - if it ever did at all, which we don't know because she turned her face into Janet's dress.

If that wasn't "melodrama" I can't imagine why it came across like it was in something so serious and sensitive.

Of course the "talking heads" are going to talk only about how touching the speech was, because she put them in their place about her daddy and she did a good job. I feel it served its purpose.

The family obviously is keeping themselves in the public eye and I feel we need to be more aware than critical. I feel there's a good reason for them doing it, even if it means lots of criticism which they know they would get.

Imo, its very naive of fans to get going on oh how awful, selfish, greedy blah blah.

Some things are rather obvious imo...so no...you're not crazy and if you are there's a whole bunch of crazies right with you who are NOT even on any fan boards.
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Post by HeavyHearts on Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:46 am

I mean it drives me insane while watching the video from the funeral, and the children get out of the car to sit at their seats like they're going to a movie, not to their fathers funeral! i couldn't believe it. I cry my eyes out regularly and they just look like it's another day for them.

I don't like speaking ill of his children, I feel for them, I really do.
But the lack of emotion somewhat annoys me, not to mention confuses me.

So maybe they know that he is alive?
(if he was alive they would know)
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Post by Red Velvet on Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:51 am

PYT wrote:Yes, i have to agree the family hasnt shown much emotion and i cant come up with a reason why that is.

I know if i lost anyone of my brothers, or a close family member period, i would go completely insane.

I have also cried a lot after Michaels death, and although i never got to meet him, i really felt as though i had lost someone really close to me. I did not even cry when my grandfather died because i only met him once and he spent his life entire life back in africa. I couldnt cry. But, for Michael, I cried so much, Ive lost so much sleep, and walked around with a 'heavy heart' for weeks. To this day, I cant look at the poster on my wall without feeling really sad or listen to 'speechless' without crying.

The families grieving process was really short and seemingly ungenuine.

I really dont know where us hoax believers are going to end up in this journey, but i have a feeling we're digging in dangerous grounds, and i couldnt be happier to be a part of this. I think i may be a believer until the day i die, even if Michael never shows up again.
Exactly. Personally, I do not see HOW he could, unless its something of huge magnitude that will serve the world because MJ is not into randomly hurting people just for gags, awards or Guiness book honors ...

Even as we speculate, we have to keep an open mind and not set ourselves up for delusion, illusion, or expectation based on what appears to be 'circumstantial evidence' pointing to - anything

imo. It would just be nice to know he's ok - if we can arrive at that conclusion I'll be happy. Sorry - OFF TOPIC - welcome to the board!! Very Happy
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Post by Red Velvet on Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:51 am

HeavyHearts wrote:I mean it drives me insane while watching the video from the funeral, and the children get out of the car to sit at their seats like they're going to a movie, not to their fathers funeral! i couldn't believe it. I cry my eyes out regularly and they just look like it's another day for them.

I don't like speaking ill of his children, I feel for them, I really do.
But the lack of emotion somewhat annoys me, not to mention confuses me.

So maybe they know that he is alive?
(if he was alive they would know)
Of course.
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Post by cirque333 on Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:52 am

Red Velvet wrote:I agree with you HeavyHearts. I honestly mean no offense to anyone on this board or reading this who feels the way some do who say, "people all react to things differently" - I find that annoying because its an insult imo to the average intelligence.

Of course people respond differently to things but its frustrating when certain things are pretty obvious and everyone seems to want to give the "benefit of the doubt".

I feel there's a reason there are so many people who say that it doesn't seem by the response of the family that Michael is dead. I've found non-fans, non-internet dwelling people to say the same thing.

I don't just look at their behavior as being that they're not acting like Michael died.

IMO they're not acting like anybody died. There is a sense of "reverence" and "somberness" of attitude that is missing from the entire experience imo.

Liz did look like she had red eyes and there is no telling why that was. It could easily have been to portray a look that she'd been crying (she is an oscar winning actress and a VERY good friend of MJ) and yet her facial expression looks very serene, not like she "lost a best friend" she was about to watch get buried.

The children, I have defended in every imo meaningful way I know how (such as calling Show Biz tonight and telling them to knock it off with the paternity garbage because it was "child abuse" and thankfully they did, and I probably wasn't the only one) but I don't mind commenting on the fact that they are not imo children who seem like they lost

1) a most special parent in the whole wide world

2) an ONLY parent in the whole wide world

3) a parent period

I'm sure MJ taught his kids, "smile when your heart is aching" and that they are Jacksons so they are to be strong etc.

I also think he probably supported them mostly in being fully self-expressed, innocent and free spirited, and open, and honest, and for that reason I'd expect them to be a lot more expressive in some way or other if their "daddy" DIED.

As for darling and beautiful, smart little Paris, I saw no tears from that sweet, beautiful, precious thing, and during her speech her voice seemed to "break" before her countenance did - if it ever did at all, which we don't know because she turned her face into Janet's dress.

If that wasn't "melodrama" I can't imagine why it came across like it was in something so serious and sensitive.

Of course the "talking heads" are going to talk only about how touching the speech was, because she put them in their place about her daddy and she did a good job. I feel it served its purpose.

The family obviously is keeping themselves in the public eye and I feel we need to be more aware than critical. I feel there's a good reason for them doing it, even if it means lots of criticism which they know they would get.

Imo, its very naive of fans to get going on oh how awful, selfish, greedy blah blah.

Some things are rather obvious imo...so no...you're not crazy and if you are there's a whole bunch of crazies right with you who are NOT even on any fan boards.

YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT, IMO AND I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE! THIS REALLY NEEDED TO BE SAID! Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_smile Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_smile Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_surprised
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Post by HeavyHearts on Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:55 am

Thanks for the welcome! Smile
I've been browsing for a long time just never posted
Glad I've started :3
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Post by cirque333 on Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:57 am

WELCOME HEAVY HEARTS, GLAD YOU'RE HERE!
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Post by Red Velvet on Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:58 am

cirque333 wrote:
Red Velvet wrote:I agree with you HeavyHearts. I honestly mean no offense to anyone on this board or reading this who feels the way some do who say, "people all react to things differently" - I find that annoying because its an insult imo to the average intelligence.

Of course people respond differently to things but its frustrating when certain things are pretty obvious and everyone seems to want to give the "benefit of the doubt".

I feel there's a reason there are so many people who say that it doesn't seem by the response of the family that Michael is dead. I've found non-fans, non-internet dwelling people to say the same thing.

I don't just look at their behavior as being that they're not acting like Michael died.

IMO they're not acting like anybody died. There is a sense of "reverence" and "somberness" of attitude that is missing from the entire experience imo.

Liz did look like she had red eyes and there is no telling why that was. It could easily have been to portray a look that she'd been crying (she is an oscar winning actress and a VERY good friend of MJ) and yet her facial expression looks very serene, not like she "lost a best friend" she was about to watch get buried.

The children, I have defended in every imo meaningful way I know how (such as calling Show Biz tonight and telling them to knock it off with the paternity garbage because it was "child abuse" and thankfully they did, and I probably wasn't the only one) but I don't mind commenting on the fact that they are not imo children who seem like they lost

1) a most special parent in the whole wide world

2) an ONLY parent in the whole wide world

3) a parent period

I'm sure MJ taught his kids, "smile when your heart is aching" and that they are Jacksons so they are to be strong etc.

I also think he probably supported them mostly in being fully self-expressed, innocent and free spirited, and open, and honest, and for that reason I'd expect them to be a lot more expressive in some way or other if their "daddy" DIED.

As for darling and beautiful, smart little Paris, I saw no tears from that sweet, beautiful, precious thing, and during her speech her voice seemed to "break" before her countenance did - if it ever did at all, which we don't know because she turned her face into Janet's dress.

If that wasn't "melodrama" I can't imagine why it came across like it was in something so serious and sensitive.

Of course the "talking heads" are going to talk only about how touching the speech was, because she put them in their place about her daddy and she did a good job. I feel it served its purpose.

The family obviously is keeping themselves in the public eye and I feel we need to be more aware than critical. I feel there's a good reason for them doing it, even if it means lots of criticism which they know they would get.

Imo, its very naive of fans to get going on oh how awful, selfish, greedy blah blah.

Some things are rather obvious imo...so no...you're not crazy and if you are there's a whole bunch of crazies right with you who are NOT even on any fan boards.

YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT, IMO AND I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE! THIS REALLY NEEDED TO BE SAID! Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_smile Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_smile Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_surprised
Laughing And this topic needed to be started because IMO this can't ever be discussed too much. It is very KEY - IMO.
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Post by EarthAngel90 on Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:00 am

I think the children are on to this ... & a few friends as well ... because if he was really gone ... more heartfelt emotion & real tears would overflowing .... but seeing a second funeral - with the same emotions as July 7 Broadcast Funeral ...... This has to be a Hoax ...
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Post by HeavyHearts on Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:03 am

Also, did anyone else find it shocking that the only footage they played of Mac at Mike's funeral is the one where he is LAUGHING with mila?!?!
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Post by Red Velvet on Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:05 am

Correction - I should say, her voice broke before her face did - before her face got that strained look of what seemed to me to be almost like "intentional pain" (but NOT grief) - almost like the look a kid has when they are faking an upset stomach (SORRY SORRY SORRY really AM!)

and then her countenance, her attitude of grief could have been in Janet's dress, if it was there at all. The face thing was cute and sweet and decent acting for a first time - that was my take-away from it - please don't anybody shoot me Laughing I LOVE ALL of MJ's KIDS with a PASSION but if I'm here to break something apart, I CAN'T NOT call it what I see it as. A spade is a spade.
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Post by cirque333 on Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:06 am

I think so and shoud be discussed in the other forum as well!

Also, I am very impressed with Paris. That young lady carries herself with so much confidence. She is a beautiful girl! Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_smile


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Post by HeavyHearts on Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:07 am

It is a very touchy subject but I think everyone must think it secretly Razz
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Post by Red Velvet on Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:10 am

I wish this board would make a sticky with some things we already clearly understand. It may not be things we KNOW like we witnessed it, but at least that we can INTELLIGENTLY SURMISE ..

IF this is any kind of FAKED "death"

HIS CHILDREN KNOW

PERIOD.

NO "IFs" "Ands" "Buts"

NONE

We may not know who ALL the family and friends are who are in on it, but

WHY ..

.. do we have to go on and on with the "thinking" the KIDs are in on it ...

EVERY MJ fan KNOWS 1 thing.

HE WOULD NOT LEAVE HIS KIDS IN THE LURCH
!

THAT MUCH WE KNOW.
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Post by Red Velvet on Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:12 am

HeavyHearts wrote:It is a very touchy subject but I think everyone must think it secretly Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_razz

But that's just it.

Its only a touchy subject when fans get touchy about it.

Its touchy when fans say its "touchy"

If we don't "touch" it we'll never get to DA TROOT!!!!!
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Post by cirque333 on Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:14 am

Red Velvet wrote:I wish this board would make a sticky with some things we already clearly understand. It may not be things we KNOW like we witnessed it, but at least that we can INTELLIGENTLY SURMISE ..

IF this is any kind of FAKED "death"

HIS CHILDREN KNOW

PERIOD.

NO "IFs" "Ands" "Buts"

NONE

We may not know who ALL the family and friends are who are in on it, but

WHY ..

.. do we have to go on and on with the "thinking" the KIDs are in on it ...

EVERY MJ fan KNOWS 1 thing.

HE WOULD NOT LEAVE HIS KIDS IN THE LURCH
!

THAT MUCH WE KNOW.

Ooohhh sooo true!! Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_biggrin
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Post by rowdyangel on Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:17 am

Red Velvet wrote:I wish this board would make a sticky with some things we already clearly understand. It may not be things we KNOW like we witnessed it, but at least that we can INTELLIGENTLY SURMISE ..

IF this is any kind of FAKED "death"

HIS CHILDREN KNOW

PERIOD.

NO "IFs" "Ands" "Buts"

NONE

We may not know who ALL the family and friends are who are in on it, but

WHY ..

.. do we have to go on and on with the "thinking" the KIDs are in on it ...

EVERY MJ fan KNOWS 1 thing.

HE WOULD NOT LEAVE HIS KIDS IN THE LURCH
!

THAT MUCH WE KNOW.

This might help:
https://mjkit.forumotion.net/recap-threads-f9/inconsistencies-odd-things-summary-t1585.htm

I did this a couple of weeks ago but it needs updating. However, I've just not had the time, sorry. I have this list as a Word doc on my PC so I am intending to update it at some point. In the meantime if any of you can think of new points to be added, please reply to THAT thread or PM me and I will try to get an updated version posted as soon as I can.
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Post by HeavyHearts on Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:18 am

Exactly. I don't find it touchy but I'm worried I will offend people sometimes.

and i agree 100%
the kids would know!
no doubt Very Happy
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Post by cirque333 on Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:22 am

I think that's a great idea to have a summary of topics that we feel have been talked about to the extent needed. That way people could refer to those if they have questions and we can continue on with more current events and investigation. Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_smile
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Post by cirque333 on Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:25 am

rowdyangel wrote:
Red Velvet wrote:I wish this board would make a sticky with some things we already clearly understand. It may not be things we KNOW like we witnessed it, but at least that we can INTELLIGENTLY SURMISE ..

IF this is any kind of FAKED "death"

HIS CHILDREN KNOW

PERIOD.

NO "IFs" "Ands" "Buts"

NONE

We may not know who ALL the family and friends are who are in on it, but

WHY ..

.. do we have to go on and on with the "thinking" the KIDs are in on it ...

EVERY MJ fan KNOWS 1 thing.

HE WOULD NOT LEAVE HIS KIDS IN THE LURCH
!

THAT MUCH WE KNOW.

This might help:
https://mjkit.forumotion.net/recap-threads-f9/inconsistencies-odd-things-summary-t1585.htm

I did this a couple of weeks ago but it needs updating. However, I've just not had the time, sorry. I have this list as a Word doc on my PC so I am intending to update it at some point. In the meantime if any of you can think of new points to be added, please reply to THAT thread or PM me and I will try to get an updated version posted as soon as I can.

That's awesome of you to do that Rowdyangel!! Thanks, I will check it out and see if there is anything I can add to it.
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Post by Red Velvet on Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:36 am

rowdyangel wrote:
Red Velvet wrote:I wish this board would make a sticky with some things we already clearly understand. It may not be things we KNOW like we witnessed it, but at least that we can INTELLIGENTLY SURMISE ..

IF this is any kind of FAKED "death"

HIS CHILDREN KNOW

PERIOD.

NO "IFs" "Ands" "Buts"

NONE

We may not know who ALL the family and friends are who are in on it, but

WHY ..

.. do we have to go on and on with the "thinking" the KIDs are in on it ...

EVERY MJ fan KNOWS 1 thing.

HE WOULD NOT LEAVE HIS KIDS IN THE LURCH
!

THAT MUCH WE KNOW.

This might help:
https://mjkit.forumotion.net/recap-threads-f9/inconsistencies-odd-things-summary-t1585.htm

I did this a couple of weeks ago but it needs updating. However, I've just not had the time, sorry. I have this list as a Word doc on my PC so I am intending to update it at some point. In the meantime if any of you can think of new points to be added, please reply to THAT thread or PM me and I will try to get an updated version posted as soon as I can.
THANK YOU!~!! YOU are my new best friend!!! Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_biggrin Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_cheers


I don't like speaking ill of his children
See, okay now, OK hang on a sec LOL!!!

That reminds me. New poster Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_biggrin I don't mean ANY offense you all, its late and I'm just in one of those "cut to the chase" moods Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_lol but I'm really sweeeeeeeeeeeeet ask anyone... ok almost anyone LOL!! NO seriously, please know its just that your post reminded me of something else I wanted to say ..

I just want to point out another FALLACY that seems to permeat this board and I feel it will continue to do nothing but slow down our ability to navigate freely as possible through this muttle ...

And that fallacy is ... that if we say anything other than something "polite" and step around what we have seen the children doing, that we are somehow speaking "ILL" of the children.

EXCUSE ME. (not you HeavyHearts lol)

If we keep doing the cha cha (one step forward two steps back) on the things we are able to identify and be clear about, we will get NOWHERE.

If we do not become resolved about what certain things are and what certain things are not IMO we will never be able to speak freely enough to move this investigation FORWARD.

My point is, if anyone doesn't want to speak ill of the children then by all means >> DON'T.

In fact, if anyone actually does speak ILL of the children they have got to deal with me.

But
that does not mean that we cannot discuss the children, who played a very key role in this thing!!!

Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_lol excuse my lil outburst HeavyHearts, I hope you're okay!

Honest to goodness I'm a REEEEEEEALLY NICE person!!! Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_biggrin I really am. I just want us all to be HONEST or we might as well STAY HOME ...

oh...ok so most of us are home Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Lol but u know what i mean LOL!! Let's not worry so much about things that are not bad things. Let's always be respectful of the children AND CALL IT WHAT WE SEE IT AS so we can get someplace with all this. Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_biggrin jmho..... Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_basketball Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Alien Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_geek Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_jokercolor Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_rr

I LOVE THEM KIDDIES BTW - ALL OF THEM LIL THINGS Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_santa Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_santa Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_santa

That does't have to shut down the topic either ... there are many things to observe about this entire family ...

I'm out of here but you all have gotta keep it moving right along ... so we can get somewhere!!
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Post by cirque333 on Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:48 am

Red Velvet wrote:
rowdyangel wrote:
Red Velvet wrote:I wish this board would make a sticky with some things we already clearly understand. It may not be things we KNOW like we witnessed it, but at least that we can INTELLIGENTLY SURMISE ..

IF this is any kind of FAKED "death"

HIS CHILDREN KNOW

PERIOD.

NO "IFs" "Ands" "Buts"

NONE

We may not know who ALL the family and friends are who are in on it, but

WHY ..

.. do we have to go on and on with the "thinking" the KIDs are in on it ...

EVERY MJ fan KNOWS 1 thing.

HE WOULD NOT LEAVE HIS KIDS IN THE LURCH
!

THAT MUCH WE KNOW.

This might help:
https://mjkit.forumotion.net/recap-threads-f9/inconsistencies-odd-things-summary-t1585.htm

I did this a couple of weeks ago but it needs updating. However, I've just not had the time, sorry. I have this list as a Word doc on my PC so I am intending to update it at some point. In the meantime if any of you can think of new points to be added, please reply to THAT thread or PM me and I will try to get an updated version posted as soon as I can.
THANK YOU!~!! YOU are my new best friend!!! Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_biggrin Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_cheers


I don't like speaking ill of his children
See, okay now, OK hang on a sec LOL!!!

That reminds me. New poster Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_biggrin I don't mean ANY offense you all, its late and I'm just in one of those "cut to the chase" moods Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_lol but I'm really sweeeeeeeeeeeeet ask anyone... ok almost anyone LOL!! NO seriously, please know its just that your post reminded me of something else I wanted to say ..

I just want to point out another FALLACY that seems to permeat this board and I feel it will continue to do nothing but slow down our ability to navigate freely as possible through this muttle ...

And that fallacy is ... that if we say anything other than something "polite" and step around what we have seen the children doing, that we are somehow speaking "ILL" of the children.

EXCUSE ME. (not you HeavyHearts lol)

If we keep doing the cha cha (one step forward two steps back) on the things we are able to identify and be clear about, we will get NOWHERE.

If we do not become resolved about what certain things are and what certain things are not IMO we will never be able to speak freely enough to move this investigation FORWARD.

My point is, if anyone doesn't want to speak ill of the children then by all means >> DON'T.

In fact, if anyone actually does speak ILL of the children they have got to deal with me.

But
that does not mean that we cannot discuss the children, who played a very key role in this thing!!!

Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_lol excuse my lil outburst HeavyHearts, I hope you're okay!

Honest to goodness I'm a REEEEEEEALLY NICE person!!! Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_biggrin I really am. I just want us all to be HONEST or we might as well STAY HOME ...

oh...ok so most of us are home Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Lol but u know what i mean LOL!! Let's not worry so much about things that are not bad things. Let's always be respectful of the children AND CALL IT WHAT WE SEE IT AS so we can get someplace with all this. Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_biggrin jmho..... Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_basketball Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Alien Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_geek Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_jokercolor Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_rr

I LOVE THEM KIDDIES BTW - ALL OF THEM LIL THINGS Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_santa Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_santa Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_santa

Dang, your the BEST and you are REALLY REALLY NICE, IMO!!!

OKAY VERY WELL SAID, RED
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Post by Red Velvet on Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:57 am

cirque333 wrote:
Red Velvet wrote:
rowdyangel wrote:
Red Velvet wrote:I wish this board would make a sticky with some things we already clearly understand. It may not be things we KNOW like we witnessed it, but at least that we can INTELLIGENTLY SURMISE ..

IF this is any kind of FAKED "death"

HIS CHILDREN KNOW

PERIOD.

NO "IFs" "Ands" "Buts"

NONE

We may not know who ALL the family and friends are who are in on it, but

WHY ..

.. do we have to go on and on with the "thinking" the KIDs are in on it ...

EVERY MJ fan KNOWS 1 thing.

HE WOULD NOT LEAVE HIS KIDS IN THE LURCH
!

THAT MUCH WE KNOW.

This might help:
https://mjkit.forumotion.net/recap-threads-f9/inconsistencies-odd-things-summary-t1585.htm

I did this a couple of weeks ago but it needs updating. However, I've just not had the time, sorry. I have this list as a Word doc on my PC so I am intending to update it at some point. In the meantime if any of you can think of new points to be added, please reply to THAT thread or PM me and I will try to get an updated version posted as soon as I can.
THANK YOU!~!! YOU are my new best friend!!! Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_biggrin Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_cheers


I don't like speaking ill of his children
See, okay now, OK hang on a sec LOL!!!

That reminds me. New poster Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_biggrin I don't mean ANY offense you all, its late and I'm just in one of those "cut to the chase" moods Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_lol but I'm really sweeeeeeeeeeeeet ask anyone... ok almost anyone LOL!! NO seriously, please know its just that your post reminded me of something else I wanted to say ..

I just want to point out another FALLACY that seems to permeat this board and I feel it will continue to do nothing but slow down our ability to navigate freely as possible through this muttle ...

And that fallacy is ... that if we say anything other than something "polite" and step around what we have seen the children doing, that we are somehow speaking "ILL" of the children.

EXCUSE ME. (not you HeavyHearts lol)

If we keep doing the cha cha (one step forward two steps back) on the things we are able to identify and be clear about, we will get NOWHERE.

If we do not become resolved about what certain things are and what certain things are not IMO we will never be able to speak freely enough to move this investigation FORWARD.

My point is, if anyone doesn't want to speak ill of the children then by all means >> DON'T.

In fact, if anyone actually does speak ILL of the children they have got to deal with me.

But
that does not mean that we cannot discuss the children, who played a very key role in this thing!!!

Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_lol excuse my lil outburst HeavyHearts, I hope you're okay!

Honest to goodness I'm a REEEEEEEALLY NICE person!!! Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_biggrin I really am. I just want us all to be HONEST or we might as well STAY HOME ...

oh...ok so most of us are home Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Lol but u know what i mean LOL!! Let's not worry so much about things that are not bad things. Let's always be respectful of the children AND CALL IT WHAT WE SEE IT AS so we can get someplace with all this. Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_biggrin jmho..... Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_basketball Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Alien Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_geek Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_jokercolor Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_rr

I LOVE THEM KIDDIES BTW - ALL OF THEM LIL THINGS Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_santa Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_santa Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_santa

Dang, your the BEST and you are REALLY REALLY NICE, IMO!!!

OKAY VERY WELL SAID, RED
Laughing Thanks Cirque!! Its DA simple TROOT!! Laughing
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Post by CantStopLovingU on Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:58 am

HeavyHearts wrote:Thanks for the welcome! Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Icon_smile
I've been browsing for a long time just never posted
Glad I've started :3

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Post by CantStopLovingU on Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:01 am

Yes Well Said CIRQUE
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Post by MJmylife90 on Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:08 pm

HeavyHearts wrote:I don't know about you guys but I have cried every day for the past 3 months over Michael's death. I still can't believe it. I don't understand how everyone close to him, not one of them have cried (in public only obviously), or not that I've seen. At his memorial his kids were oddly composed. Did anyone else notice paris' speech was tearless? I think theres a photo of blanket crying, but personally it looks like he's crying because he's more scared than anything. I think Elizabeth Taylor looked like she'd been crying at his funeral but that is all that I can remember.

Does this prove something is going on?
I mean the people closest are the only ones who know if he is alive or not
and if he was really dead, don't you think they'd be more upset?

Im sure this would have been said before somewhere,
but when I searched for the topic none came up

So what do you guys think? Do you find the lack of emotion as a sign? Do you find it odd? I know I do

thanks for the post heavyhearts...i'm a new member too..!
just my opinions about the thread,i really wanted to say i told you so...i mean in my youtube account..hehe..cause everyone seems didn't agree with me and make up some excuses like people react to things in different way..i know that but everyone..??? it's just too fishy to me..not even katherine had her "swallowed" eyes..i mean just a simple example just enough to put this theories to be fact..FANS..! for crying out loud!!!! even the fans were devastated than the jacksons...even i am myself still crying for the lost until now..

take a simple look at the memorial..okay,maybe the brothers needs to look tough and being calm at that time but michael's sis? his mother? his children..?? i completely aware that paris did show some emotions there but that's just about it!!! one minute she stood up there and cry but one minute she happily dancing and singing...and the obvious lack of emotion i saw in his children is prince...!!!
he seems completely boring you can take a personally look the the picture on the memorial itself...man, if i was there, i would grabbed his hand and take him to disneyland and buy some candies...lol

i've said my words..enough sayin'...i'm so sorry if my opinions seems to upset a lot of people but this is had to be said!! otherwise we don't even need to discover the hoax anyway cause things like this were the biggest puzzle ever!!! i just wanted to say i'm so sorry that i speak too loud and michael, if you're watching this..i just wanted to say i'm so sorry...
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Post by mjssoulmate on Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:31 pm

Ok, let's just remember what Kai Chase said about Dr. Murray calling out for Prince and security. She said that Prince met Dr. Murray at the top of the stairs, but she was downstairs with the kids after that. Prince never went any further than the top of the stairs, according to Kai. So why did Murray talk to Prince? Could he have told him "This it it"? Time to play your parts, kids.
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Post by Red Velvet on Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:39 pm

mjssoulmate wrote:Ok, let's just remember what Kai Chase said about Dr. Murray calling out for Prince and security. She said that Prince met Dr. Murray at the top of the stairs, but she was downstairs with the kids after that. Prince never went any further than the top of the stairs, according to Kai. So why did Murray talk to Prince? Could he have told him "This it it"? Time to play your parts, kids.
as I recall it, I think you mean the bottom of the stairs but yeh
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Post by mjssoulmate on Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:49 pm

ok, maybe not all the way on top. Let's meet in the middle.

Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Lol
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Post by Red Velvet on Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:36 pm

mjssoulmate wrote:ok, maybe not all the way on top. Let's meet in the middle.

Lack of emotion from his family - Children especially Lol
LOL! well okay but I thought I'd post it just in case anyone wants, at 3:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GXzWLYp1-0&feature=related

BUT you know what? I just went to go and find the vid where she says the doctor talks to Prince at the bottom of the stairs and its gone
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Post by HeavyHearts on Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:15 am

This doesnt look like someone who just lost their dad

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I had tears streaming down my face just while watching the memorial on tv!
If I was there I would have been on the floor like a pile of jelly rolling around crying my eyes out

Yet his children, his best friends, were so composed
To me this points that he is alive
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Post by ILuvUMoreMJ on Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:31 am

Yea I have to admit that Prince and Blanket were not acting the way I expected children would act after losing their only parent, whom they obviously adored. It's hard to say how kids will grieve, but it definitely made me skeptical. I have to say that when Paris spoke I completely lost it though. Crying or Very sad And later on I saw a photo of Blanket with tears streaming down his face. Those are two things that don't add up for me being a hoax.
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Post by 4evermichael71 on Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:40 am

Maybe Blanket, just being a little boy was scared to be up there in front of all those people?
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Post by ILuvUMoreMJ on Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:56 am

I hope so...the whole thing was probably pretty overwhelming for the little guy.
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Post by 4evermichael71 on Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:03 am

I think it would have been. When he was seated, he seemed fine.
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Post by See on Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:44 am

In the beginning of the MJDH forum, somebody who claimed to be a child psychologist, wrote she found it strange how the children were acting.
To here it seemd as if they were done grieving a wile ago...
To me, children are unpredictable they tent to suprize you by the way they act.
I think the way Paris spoke was strange...cuz I can imagine that it would be really scary to go up there and speak about how you feel in front of a public. Something she never did, and then open herself up emotionelly that way!!! The way others were acting was pretty normal to me... Prince was calm and bored, cuz and gave the impression that he was stong and did not care. Blanket, well he acted as if every 7 year old would act!!!!
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