What is really behind the "death" of MJ?

This will be a long post so please bare with me!


I’ve been thinking about all the things that have happened in the last 3
months, all the clues that just keep coming our way. Now it’s very true that
all of us involved in this “investigation” don’t take anything at face value
and dig and question everything. And one might say that that’s why we
discovered them, because we looked. BUT, clues keep coming and coming ( where
from I wonder! ), inconsistencies are in every story, that even people who don’t
believe he’s alive or don’t care very much about the subject are starting to
wonder what is going on. The inconsistencies are obvious and they keep coming.
Did you notice that after 2 or 3 days go by with out anything big happening,
something “blows” our minds again. It hasn’t stopped and it feels as thought
someone wants us to keep our minds on it, doesn’t want us to let it go.


Now why is that? To convince us that MJ is alive? I personally am
convinced….about 99%. The 1% missing would be MJ himself coming out and saying
he’s alive. I’m not the only one who believes this. And for those who aren’t convinced
yet, no worries, cause with the clues that are coming our way every day , you’re
getting there!


Why do “they’ want us involved in this? Why won’t they let take our focus
of this? I’ve been having these thoughts for a while now, that have bothered
me, yet I couldn’t quite put my finger on it. And then last night I saw the
movie “Die hard: with a vengeance” (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112864/plotsummary)
and it hit me!


There is something bigger behind this than meets the eye! And I’m not
just talking about tye movie theory here or even the fact that he’s alive!


In the movie I mention earlier they 2 guys are sent on a wild goose chase
while the bad guys can take care of their business without being bothered or
suspected. And, even more interesting is that what they are doing is actually
helping the bad guys without even realizing it. (read the plot and watch the
movie if you have time; you’ll see what I mean.They are given clue after clue,
with no time to think too much about what is really going on. Their minds are
too much on solving those clues fast. And it seems very similar to our
situation. We are trying to figure out every clue in this and we don’t have
much time to digest it before another one comes along. And all this because….?
We need more proof he’s alive? More proof that something is up? We already know
that!!! We keep solving 2+2 over and over again and get a kick out of it each
time we do, like it is the first time we discover it equals 4. (hope no one is
offended by this; I’m on the same boat)


And now to get to the question of my post: what is really behind the “death”
of MJ? And I’m not just talking about
Michael’s motives for doing this. I mean the true story behind this that we can’t
see because we’re so focused on solving every new riddle coming our way.


Now, I don’t want to get anyone paranoid here. But I’m getting the
feeling we’re being tricked here, somehow blinded to not see the real story.


I don’t know what it could be. I’m just beginning to look into it and see
if there’s more to this than meets the eye.


Do you have any ideas?


I’d love to hear your comments on this!





Peace!





PS Hope I made sense with my theory! If I didn’t I’ll be happy to answer
your questions to clear up what I mean!

I even started to think there's no story behind all this...that out there there's people just trying to get our atention with "new clues" (like tmz, "cassandra", and many others) ..what if all this never happened? I mean..what if all this was invented by us just because we need to still believe he is alive..but in fact he isn't anymore? :/...After so much time we still don't have a solid proof..something to be like: Ok! Now we know 98% he's PHYSICALY alive...

hAZZELY wrote:I even started to think there's no story behind all this...that out there there's people just trying to get our atention with "new clues" (like tmz, "cassandra", and many others) ..what if all this never happened? I mean..what if all this was invented by us just because we need to still believe he is alive..but in fact he isn't anymore? :/...After so much time we still don't have a solid proof..something to be like: Ok! Now we know 98% he's PHYSICALY alive...

I do! WE do!
1. 2 different versions of the same ONLY ONE death photo!
2. 2 different ambulance videos shotting the same event
3. 2 different autopsy results
4. no DC
5. lots of fake documets (will, DC, BC of kids)
......
and these are just the facts...if you top these with all the different stories of people who so the same events, the lack of emotion, etc etc...there's your proof!

At least for me it's enough! I don;t need more...like I said...the last 1% will be to see MJ!

hAZZELY wrote:what if all this never happened? I mean..what if all this was invented by us just because we need to still believe he is alive..but in fact he isn't anymore? :/...After so much time we still don't have a solid proof..something to be like: Ok! Now we know 98% he's PHYSICALY alive...

My husband has just said that to me.. though, he is not believer.. But I am! Keep the faith!

I understand what you mean. And you know, since the beginning, I thought : Or he's alive..or it's a murder, and not in a vrey nice way and not by "little" people, but very powerful. So yes, your theory is possible.

I wish, with ALL my heart he's alive and well, and he escaped. This is why I still try to find the truth.

Sadly, history reapeat itself, and I hope this time, it was not the same.

If you notice, every celeb people who tried to make a change (in a good way) are no longer with us.

Wel..... I still keep the faith and I hope this time our history will change for good.

"Imagine" (John Lennon)

Imagine there's no Heaven

It's easy if you try

No hell below us

Above us only sky

Imagine all the people

Living for today


Imagine there's no countries

It isn't hard to do

Nothing to kill or die for

And no religion too

Imagine all the people

Living life in peace


You may say that I'm a dreamer

But I'm not the only one

I hope someday you'll join us

And the world will be as one


Imagine no possessions

I wonder if you can

No need for greed or hunger

A brotherhood of man

Imagine all the people

Sharing all the world


You may say that I'm a dreamer

But I'm not the only one

I hope someday you'll join us

And the world will live as one

Ye, those are weird things..but what if people just keep upcoming with clues (don't mean the people in the forum) just to play with us..like documents, autopsy results, videos.. I MUST still believe he's alive, i feel it, but we need something else, something new to still trust in this..


MICHAEL GET YOUR A.S.S BACK ON STAGE, HOME OR WHATEVER...OR JUST LET US KNOW YOU'RE ALIVE FFS... ..IF YOU'RE ALIVE YOU ***MUST***, HAVE TO READ THIS FORUM..I AM SURE OF THAT..

Frankly, I don't know what to make of things or what to believe.

All I can say, as a person that hadn't really been following Michael's life all that much, as a general rule over the last 10 yrs or so, the moment I saw the O2 announcement I thought something was just not right -- it didn't seem to be him to me. Then his death and all these things that pop up and are weird/out of place/don't make sense, even to someone that hasn't been "observing" Michael closely, I just don't know.

What I do know, that even to the untrained eye, things just don't add up. Again as someone that hadn't really been following him closely, the Liberian Girl pix, the "s" in pains, the hatman, Dave-Dave, etc. -- all of this has stood out to me.

The more that I look at things the more confusing it's becoming. It's difficult for me to believe that he would put his children through any of this whether they do know something or not, assuming he is still here. It would be extremely stressful for them in either case.

If this is a hoax or a publicity stunt gone bad, as some have suggested on the web, I find it hard to believe that more info hasn't been leaked. There are an awful lot of people that have to keep their mouths shut.

I am not saying that he isn't still alive. There certainly are enough things out there that would indicate that he is. All I know is that I don't know what to believe. There's a big part of me that believes in the possibility of him still being alive given all the strangeness surrounding his death.

Whether he has, in fact, died or if he is alive and decides not to resurface, I do know that people have been given a new appreciation for him -- both on an artistic level and of him as a man. And maybe that's what this is all about -- whether he is really dead, hiding out for the rest of his life or if he makes a "come back".

Other than that all I know is that I have one gigantic headache!

I have a hard time believing that if he was killed, his murderers would go through all the trouble to make us believe he's alive just so we don't think he was killed. The big murderers don't want to leave ANYTHING behind. They could have simply framed someone, and close the case by now.
I thought it was murder at first but now I just find it very hard to believe.

I do know he is alive.

I have wondered the same thing...if we are being distracted from something really bad that is going to happen. People like us (or most of us) that do not take news at face value,but instead go on a search for "the real news" would search out something like this. Now I do believe like HN,he is alive or he was murdered.If murdered i want to know why...but if murdered THIS could be why. To distract the caring people who look for the truth. White Orchid where are you!

That gut feeling that something is not right comes along upon reading the media contents.

The whole world knows that Michael is loved and respected, even so more now than ever. Those devious people who tried to destroy him before, is still trying to destroy him and they will go to the very ends of the earth to do so. They will never give up. With their devious mind, they have to get to the center/core of the Michael Love annd that is with the fans.

Michael will always be there to protect his love - the fans. He is verrrry clever and will relentlessly expose these people. Michael has been studying their every move, their every thoughts. He has learned from the past artists and heroes/heroines and he will never let that happen again. I believe that Michael will stop their devious doings because it is causing so much pain, suffering, illness not only to his fans but also to the rest of the world. Again and again, listen to all of his songs and the lyrics of his songs, then you will know he is communicating to us all of what he has learned, experienced and studied.

Thank you for your long post TRUTH_OR_DARE and it's worth reading.

So guys, don't let the love Michael has for the world and what he's going through be futile. He's going through all these to HEAL the world. This is a big change and my prayers and love are with Michael to protect him.

He will be here for us(physically) when the time is right. He is an artist and perfectionist, and he will be here when the audience(the good and the bad) are all ready. He is just watching on the sides and waiting for the right time when he can make his move for every single one of us to realize the truth.

I agree with everything that has been written so far on this thread. So thank you for some very thoughtful posts. I just want to put in my two cents worth as to why I believe Michael is alive, because it is easy to start to doubt.

This is going to be a really really long post...so bear with me. I just want to hit the highlights of what I have seen for myself and what I have absorbed from all of the very intelligent postings and theories on this forum. This is really just a recap…a way of reassuring myself that I have not spent the last three months in vain with my “He’s alive” obsession. And it's only my take on the events, my own opinion. Where I am wrong, or have misinterpreted something, feel free to correct me. There are just way too many inconsistencies for me to believe that Michael is dead or for that matter, that anyone died. To mention just a few:

The delay in calling 911, the CPR on the bed, the ambulance with no lights or sirens, the fact that UCLA itself did not announce "the death." The fire drill at the hospital. The fact that no one "on the scene" at the hospital has spoken about his/her experience of being at the hospital when MICHAEL JACKSON was rushed in on the verge of death. The fact that the "death" scene was not sealed for at least two days. The totally conflicting autopsy reports, both of which I think are probably fake. None of it makes any sense. Have you noticed that the new autopsy report isn't even getting any news coverage? I heard one segment on national US news that a new autopsy report showed that "Michael was healthy, contrary to the false reports made by the tabloids." That is what the news caster said. My question is why didn't mainstream media investigate more deeply before they splashed it all over the news that MJ was a hardcore drug addict? If mainstream media had checked into it, it wouldn't have had to take the word of the tabloids. All those mainstream reporters are probably feeling very embarrassed at the huge coverage they gave to the "drug-addicted Michael" story. They easily jumped on the propofol bandwagon, a drug that leaves the body quickly, and would have been difficult if not impossible to detect by the time the autopsy was performed.

Then there was the "body" wrapped in white cloth instead of sealed in a body bag. And there's good old Doc Murray with his loopy video (which made us all think that Michael was using Murray to get out a message to his fans) and his crazy lawyers with their even crazier website. There are the missing security tapes at Michael's house and at Dr. Murray's storage unit, conflicting reports of who was in the house at the time of the "death," the strange story that Dr. Murray did not know the address of the house, which is why he couldn't call 911. Then there's the fake ambulance photo...(how could that picture have been taken through a small dark window unless you were right up against it, and even then the angle is all wrong.) Then there's the strange memorial and the odd funeral, filmed in HD.

Then there are the major inconsistencies about the feasibility of Michael's doing a tour with very little time to rehearse..which leads many of us to believe that the concerts were never supposed to have taken place at all...that this was all planned to be part of the movie.

And there's all that weirdness about how great Michael looked in the coffin in spite of having been "dead" for two months. Even Karen Faye was talking about prettying up the "body," which she said looked great after two months of refrigeration. It's just too much. It has the air of fiction about it. It's all built on air. Fake wills, fake death certificate, fake birth certificates, fake insurance agreements....all of these could have been created by devious people who think it is funny to trick people...but those things don't explain all the weirdnesses of this case. OR they could have been created by Michael Jackson to perpetuate the hoax.

Now, on the flip side, my friend and I were watching the very brief segment on the news about the new autopsy report and he said..."he's dead, just face it." And I said “think whatever you want....just wait, you'll see.” Then just as instinctively I said to him “Michael is either alive or he was murdered and not by some kind of negligent homicide, and I think it is more likely that he is alive.” Because I am thinking that if it were murder, then people would have been questioned right and left. Everyone in that house would have been interrogated or questioned, including the children, the bodyguards, and the chef. We haven't seen any of that. I know the police finally talked to the bodyguards, but long after the fact. There is no real investigation going on...only the tired old propofol story. What we have been given so far just isn't believable.

Which leads me to believe that he is ALIVE. I think to myself oh how sweet it would be if Michael could, by creating this hoax, expose the hypocrisy of the media and all the false reporting that goes on everywhere everyday AND be completely vindicated at the same time. Of course, certain things do trouble me...the details about Michael's scars in the new autopsy report...I just can't get my head around the idea that he would put something like that out there. In some ways it seems to me to be more fodder for the tabloids. This makes me think that this second report is a fake too, or at least partly fake. The other thing that bothers me is how deathly afraid Michael was of aging...how ugly he thought he looked... (which is far from the case)...He really did not like the idea of growing old. He himself says that on the Schmuley tapes. That really bothers me.

What keeps me going is keeping a close eye on the contradictions and inconsistencies that just keep coming, Michael had said that he wanted to be able to live in Las Vegas and do shows there...maybe he is gearing up for something like that...One thing I don't think is that he has done all of this just for fun. It has to go much deeper than that. I hope more stuff keeps coming out and that the movie reveals the whole story. If it doesn't, I'll just keep on watching anyway. Speaking of the movie, have you noticed that there has been almost no publicity for it...it has only been reported as part of news stories about his "death." There is in fact no real "normal" news at all. No interviews with Kenny Ortega about the movie, no on-going investigation into the manner of death...It is very confusing. And why is Chief Bratton retiring early. What's that about? [/color]

JADE, I do hope Michael reads your post. Your thoughts about everything are very well explained by your post.

I feel that something is gonna be exposed and I do have a big question at heart.
We all know that SONY/AEG wants every piece of Michael, and the said THIS IS IT MOVIE -- Is it real?? I'm very sorry to add to the confusion here. The details of whatever has transpired for the past three months (which is mostly inconsistencies shown to us by whatever media) I set aside and focus on what is going to happen. For whatever happened the past three months, whoever wants their piece of cake will use the media in whatever way they could. So, I leave them be with all their dramas and manipulations.

My big question is again, if the O2 Concert in London (which was sold out) didn't push through at all and they're sweet coating the failure of the concert with the Memorial, is it possible also that something will come up again with the sold out tickets of the said Movie??

As of my thoughts/speculations, everything that came out for the past three months are all fakes. And it is very obvious in the eyes/minds of people (not just the fans), to name one-The Memorial, definitely it wasn't a grieving situation. Same with the funeral - no grieving. The announcement of the supposed death of Michael - no grieving at all by the media and relatives. The investigation (medical and legal) had lagged on for a long time.

In my opinion, if there's a Movie by Michael, the devious people around him will put a stop to his project. No way will they make it easy for Michael,right? Sony/AEG made easy money with the memorial thing. Of course, they know that Michael is loved by people of different ages and whatever he does, he delivers well and good for the entertainment industry. So they need more money to buy out Michael from Michael, so they need this Movie while everything is still hot and while they haven't been really exposed totally.

If they are establishing that MJ's supposed to be death is HOMICIDE, why was the scene of the crime shown like an ordinary day - meaning without any police and barricades, the hospital ambulance goes of like just an ordinary day in the park? The strange autopsy and for certain we will read more on it and more on other things because as of now, whoever is behind all of this has to think of something very catchy to give to the public through the media.

And since infos that have emerged are fakes, then this gives me an assurance that Michael is alive.

Aside from the other things to discuss, I am focusing on what's gonna happen at the end of this month. So what do you think guys?

hmmm, we will see, but the thought has also crossed my mind that the movie could be a fake too. That's just how confusing this whole scenario has gotten. I agree with you also that everything that has come out over the last three months has been fake. You make some really good points here. Did you see that latest MauraMissesMichael Video...pretty shocking. There's another thread about Michael's friend Christian buying Michael's stuff to put back into the house Michael was renting when he "died.". It just gets stranger and stranger. We will learn more and more over the next few weeks. Of that I am certain.

[quote="Truth_or_Dare"]


There is something bigger behind this than meets the eye! And I’m not
just talking about tye movie theory here or even the fact that he’s alive!

color=black]And now to get to the question of my post: what is really behind the “death”
of MJ? And I’m not just talking about Michael’s motives for doing this. I mean the true story
behind this that we can’t see because we’re so focused on solving every new riddle coming our way.



Can you expand on this Truth_or_Dare? What are you thinking might be behind all of this. I don't have the gut feeling that Michael is in danger...I would like to hear your thoughts on what you think is really going on.

Here are some more thoughts on who are the devious people:
1) AEG wants a part of Michael's business
2) SONY wants a bigger part, of course the whole part of Michael's business
3) Tom Barrack and Tohme Tohme wants to turn Neverland into a place similar to
Elvis'
4) Of course not to forget the Beatles Catalog- these devious people want them
back
5) With this I may be wrong - Religion.....all of a sudden YT videos on conversion
into Islam and a couple of Reverends coming out into limelight
6) Medical and Health Industry - exposure of drug abuse related to the tragic
deaths of other people in the entertainment industry
7) Justice,Law and Legal Department - the corruption and the abuse of their powers

Lastly,Political - as the messages of Michael's songs/MTV regarding racism, war,
poverty, children and the preservation of our earth.

To top it all, Michael has managed to stay alive in spite of all their plans to eliminate him, that irks them more, which explains all the inconsistencies of feeding info to the public. Michael is my hero and the angel of this earth. SHAMONE!!!

its only a matter of time..

Could have been that

1. He wants the WORLD to see his performance not just in London.
2. But he hated to tour so he needs other options to do it.
3. If he will perform Live concerts, he will be pressured by other promoters (ofcourse at his age, and with so much earnings, I dont think he ever want that anymore)
4. He prefers to work behind the scenes now with new technology, he may be investing anything new in technology wise.
5. He wants to pull himself out with celebrity life and the only way he could get away with it is to die alive..
6. He can have all the different prosthesis he wants..we may not know but he had bunch of them..so he can go out alone noone will identify..ofcourse..
7. watch out for new films on 3d.. MJ might be one of their directors, using new names, new face.. etc.. LOLz..

Thank you all for taking the time to read my post and to answer it. I have ben trying for the past 2 hours to answer but there is something going on on this site that I can't explain. It load very slowly ( and yes it is the only page that loads like this or at all), and when I finally made it here to respond to the posts, while I was in the middle of typing my response my computer shit don misteriously...and it was all erased.
So i'm gonna type my response on a separate file now and then copy it here. That way it won;t be erased again.
I'll be back soon to answer!

Peace!

Truth_or_Dare wrote:Thank you all for taking the time to read my post and to answer it. I have ben trying for the past 2 hours to answer but there is something going on on this site that I can't explain. It load very slowly ( and yes it is the only page that loads like this or at all), and when I finally made it here to respond to the posts, while I was in the middle of typing my response my computer shit don misteriously...and it was all erased.
So i'm gonna type my response on a separate file now and then copy it here. That way it won;t be erased again.
I'll be back soon to answer!

Peace!

Same thing happened to me...Strange.

Same thing with me too...

To me the one thing that sticks out like a huge sore thumb is this:

Michael "dies" a few weeks before his first scheduled performance. Not months before, not a year before, not weeks after his first show, not in the middle of the tour, but right before it started. Just like Elvis.

That alone is a big red flag for me.

If Michael was murdered God forbid, I think we would definately be driven down a different path then we have been. There would have been very powerful people behind that, and I'm sorry they are professionals - they wouldn't leave all the plotholes holes we have found.

Why? Because there would have been a real body and a real murder.

Instead we have the video proof that those videos gave us awhile back - Like they said the SUN doesn't lie. It will always be in the same place in the sky at the same time casting the same shadow - and it was proven to us quite clearly that the 2 different POV videos released of the ambulance that day were taken at different times.

I also agree with Truth or Dare - we rarely in all these months have a period of calm for more than a few days. Every time things die down something new arrises.

On the other hand we have heard out of Michael's OWN mouth that he was afraid for his life. We heard him say this on more than one occasion to more than one person. This is why I do believe that Michael orchestrated this.

By hoaxing his death Michael has successfully changed his legacy and if we go back and listen to the tapes he made on Deiter's Voice Mail you can clearly hear him say how he wants to go out - HIS WAY!

The reports of him being so sick and predictions that he would "die" within 6 months came true down to the day. I think the 6 month cycle will continue and that before the end of 2009 we will see him in some way shape or form.

Michael will be able to accomplish so much when he comes back, and all he has to do is tell his fans (the non believing fans) that he had no choice but to do this and they will forgive him. That is the least of it.

PART 2





What really happened on June 25^th, 2009?


There are 3 options!





1) Accidental death! – now let’s say MJ really couldn’t sleep and
his only help was propofol. Dr. Murray gave him his shot as he did every night
only on that night he had to go pee right when MJ was sleeping. And
coincidently, MJ passed away jus when the doctor was at the bathroom. He comes
back and finds there’s something wrong with MJ. He panics. And tries to revive
him. The only problem is that this cardiologist with some years of experience
in the field and supposedly not the first time administering propofol to MJ,
doesn’t have he necessary equipment required in this case. So what does he do?
He start CPR! Where? On the bed!!! Now, I don’t care how hard MJ’s bed was,
unless his was sleeping on a wooded mattress you just DON’T DO CPR ON THE BED!
You get him on a floor. And you don’t have to be a doctor to know this! He
panicked, yes but isn’t a doctor with experience supposed to do well under
pressure? Do you just forget all the basic rules when your pacient goes cold?


Let’s pretend that MJ had the incredible bad jugdgement and bad luck and payed the worst doctor in the
USA
about 150 000$ a month to take care of him. And he screwed up and killed him by
accident.


If that would be the case, how do we explain that he hasn’t been arrested
yet? How do we explain that he can still practice? For mistakes as stupid as
not knowing how to do CPR there should be some sanction, right? At least…


And how do we explain the fake/photoshoped ambulance photo? Or the
videos? Or the fake will? Or the fake DC? Or any other fake in this case, for
that matter? Is is just a coincidence?!


NO!





2) MURDER! - Let’s pretend
we’re the bad guys and we want MJ dead ( the reason is not important for the
moment). We’re not some low life criminals, we’re high class, high payed
criminals. And this is a very famous target we have. We don’t want to do
anything complicated and we sure don’t want police on our a** afterwards.


So let’s think for a moment. What’s the easiest way to kill someone
without being caught? Car crash? Nah, too much trouble! Shoot him? Too messy! Slipped
in the shower and hit he’s head? Too
much work on that!


I know! Make it look like an accident! Let’s give him an “accidental
overdose”!


Hey you guys, did you hear about this drug they use in hospitals?
Propofol! A little too much and you’re out! And it leaves the body within hours
so it can’t be traced! There we have it!


Lets get to work!


We go in, we kill the guy and leave! And just to be sure nothing goes
wrong afterwards let’s pay a little visit to the Coroner’s office! We have the
guy preparing to do the autopsy and e offer to “help”!


“Here’s the autopsy report! We already have it done for you! All you need
to do is sign! What was that? The cause of death isn’t plausible? You don’t
need to worry about that. All you have to do is what we tell you. And then you
can go home. And speaking of home, what a nice family you have and such
adorable kids. We’ve seen them play in the playground today. Btw, as the little
one if he liked the new toy we gave him… Now sign!”


One more problem to solve: the Jackson
family. Let’s pay a visit to LaToya. We are a little worried about her. She has
a habit of talking too much…”Well hello LaToya…How are you holding us? What was
that you said? We did it? Did what? Now honey, don’t worry about us, you have
better things to do…like take care of the family, for example. I’m a little
worried about your mom; she’s old and has a weak heart.You should take care of
her; the poor thing must be taking it very hard; you don’t want anything to
happen to her now do you? And the kids…Blanket seems to be taking it very
hard…now you don’t want him doing anything stupid do you? What? How do I know?
Well, his bodyguard told me…”





You see where I’m going with this?





And a few unanswered question in this theory: if there is a body why fake
the picture in the ambulance? Why fake the videos? The killers have nothing to
do with it! Remember, their only job is to kill the man and not leave any clues
behind! Why would they fabricate clues? And more importantly, why isn’t the
case closed by now? In a case like this you don’t want the world’s attention on
you. Right?





And @ CantStopLovingYou – that’s exactly what I was thinking! Great
points! “If Michael was murdered God forbid, I think we would definately be
driven down a different path then we have been. There would have been very
powerful people behind that, and I'm sorry they are professionals - they
wouldn't leave all the plotholes holes we have found.

Why? Because there would have been a real body and a real
murder.

Instead we have the video proof that those videos gave us
awhile back - Like they said the SUN doesn't lie. It will always be in the same
place in the sky at the same time casting the same shadow - and it was proven
to us quite clearly that the 2 different POV videos released of the ambulance
that day were taken at different times.”





Option no. 3 coming soon!

CantStopLovingU wrote:To me the one thing that sticks out like a huge sore thumb is this:

Michael "dies" a few weeks before his first scheduled performance. Not months before, not a year before, not weeks after his first show, not in the middle of the tour, but right before it started. Just like Elvis.

That alone is a big red flag for me.

If Michael was murdered God forbid, I think we would definately be driven down a different path then we have been. There would have been very powerful people behind that, and I'm sorry they are professionals - they wouldn't leave all the plotholes holes we have found.

Why? Because there would have been a real body and a real murder.

Instead we have the video proof that those videos gave us awhile back - Like they said the SUN doesn't lie. It will always be in the same place in the sky at the same time casting the same shadow - and it was proven to us quite clearly that the 2 different POV videos released of the ambulance that day were taken at different times.

I also agree with Truth or Dare - we rarely in all these months have a period of calm for more than a few days. Every time things die down something new arrises.

On the other hand we have heard out of Michael's OWN mouth that he was afraid for his life. We heard him say this on more than one occasion to more than one person. This is why I do believe that Michael orchestrated this.

By hoaxing his death Michael has successfully changed his legacy and if we go back and listen to the tapes he made on Deiter's Voice Mail you can clearly hear him say how he wants to go out - HIS WAY!

The reports of him being so sick and predictions that he would "die" within 6 months came true down to the day. I think the 6 month cycle will continue and that before the end of 2009 we will see him in some way shape or form.

Michael will be able to accomplish so much when he comes back, and all he has to do is tell his fans (the non believing fans) that he had no choice but to do this and they will forgive him. That is the least of it.

I do agree with most of what you say but you do say that Michael was afraid for his life which I can possibly agree with and believe this is the issue but why and how could he return a few months later when his life was in danger? You say he can tell his fans he had no other choice but what will he tell the ones who he was afraid of? Please dont kill me now? Do you think the people who he was in danger from will have forgotten that they wanted him out of the way?? Somehow I dont think so. If Michael was in danger it doesn't make sense to come back and in my opinion he wont. Danger from powerful people does not go away after a few months and I would have thought they would be even more determind as he has for months outwitted them making them look amateur idiots.

3. HOAX
DEATH!





I’m gonna try to explain my points
better now.


There is little doubt in my mind that
MJ is alive! I’m not going to try and explain why I think that because I think
we all have the same information about this and we can all come to our
conclusion.


The point I’m trying to make is this:
There is more to this than meets the eye (even ours who have looked far beyond
face value). And when I say that I don’t mean I think he was killed; I have
already made my point on that. So this theory starts from the assumption that
MJ is alive.





All the information, pictures, videos
and documents that we have discussed so far have been given to us by someone (MJ’s camp IMO).
These aren’t secrets that we discovered; they are being given to us through the
media by someone involved in this hoax. And they are all either fake, or
inconsistent or they contradict other information given before.


Think about what MJ said : “You see what
I want you to see, when and how I want you to see it”.





The information out there on this case
has been perceived in different ways: there are people who take everything at
face value and move on, there are people who see something is up but don’t have
time or don’t care enough and they move on, and then there’s the ones who have
the time and the interest to look into it. And what does all this information
say to the last? Every new piece of the puzzle leads to the same conclusion:
that MJ is alive. But that’s it! No reason why, no clue as to when and how he’s
coming back. Nothing of that sort.


We re not really uncovering anything here. We
are simply players in their game, whatever that game is. They are sending clue
after clue and leads us nowhere. Except maybe make us believe more and more
that he’s alive.


Whoever is feeding is with these clues
wants our attention on it. For sure. Clues keep coming and before we have time
to digest what’s going on, we are being fed another one. We are focused on this
and we’re missing what’s going on backstage which could be the real deal of
this case.





Now, I’m not saying I KNOW what the
truth behind this is. I’m just realizing that there is more to this than meets
the eye and maybe it’s time to look at the bigger picture. I don’t know if we
have any chance to find out what the truth really is, but I think it’s
important to know that there is more about this than we think. Whatever the
truth is, I’m sure we won’t find it in what we’re being given. That is just to
keep us offtrack, IMO.





Picture yourself on MJ’s camp for a
moment. You have a very big secret to keep and you don’t want to make any
mistakes. And most importantly you don’t want people to know the secret. Sure,
a few mistakes are possible. We’re only human here. But if the mistakes were
the clues that we uncovered don’t you think it’s a little too many mistakes to
be made? All these holes in the stories aren’t IMO the mistakes they made on
the way and that we noticed. There’s too many of them and they keep coming.
They are on purpose being put out there to keep us confused, keep us wondering
and keep us on a different track that what they’re on.





I don’t know what the truth is and I have very little hope that we can
even discover it. I’m sure the secret is well guarded. But if we have any
chance to even get close to it we need to start looking elsewhere. Or at least
look at what they are telling us in a different way. Look behind the “behind
the face value” if you will. Maybe look at MJ’s life prior to this even, like
the informer said. Looking only at what happened after june 25th isn’t gonna go
anywhere.





This is starting to feel more and more like a sick game that we are
willingly playing and I’m personally getting sick of it. I’m seriously thinking
of taking a step back and just enjoy the show.





I don’t know if I made more sense with my theory now than I did before.
I’m getting tired, to tell you the truth, I don’t know how to explain this
better than I already have and I don’t want to create any paranoia either.


Look at the movie I told you about before. Maybe that makes more sense. “Die hard: with a vengeance” (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112864/plotsummary)





I’d love to hear your comments on this! Even if you think it’s crazy!





@jade.jackson – I hope this answers your question.





Paece!

@Truth_or_Dare
I agree with a lot of points but I dont really think they are "sending" us clues, I think they are perhaps little mistakes that they had not anticipated. Unless he plans to return (we all have our different opinions on this-I personally dont think he will-but we cannot 100% say who is right or wrong) there is no way we will be given clues. In the most perfect crimes/hoaxes there are always slip-ups/clues and with Jermaine, Joe and LaToya I think there are even more!

My thoughts are - Some people think that Michael is behind the hoax for the money, the drama that goes on is paying off. I don't think, in my opinion, that Michael is in for the money to pay off debts. Michael is one who has been used and abused for his money, so I don't think so.

He must have realized no matter how he tried to please people, they come in with the false pretense of caring for him. So, he must have backed off and only very few people know about this( maybe not even his family know about this because they are part of the leeches/parasites who need him). In conivance to cover up his missing, you have all the infos being fed to those who love him(especially the fans) and the infos better be the best solution to create the confusion, doubts and turn people against Michael.

So, as the money making plans of the people involved have not materialized, they have to have Plan B which is Making an investment more of Michael as being dead. And they are so happy with the results and the other leeches/parasites now want a piece of the cake, too, so they contribute to the more extended drama wherein they know that they have to make the most of the situation now while it's still hot then back out when Michael comes back stronger with all the proof for people to believe him that the leeches/parasites are behind all of the scam when he finally put his foot down and said no, then the threats were made in exchange for what they can't get from Michael.

That is what I believe in my heart, and they are all in together covering their backs and checking who must get more than the other. I back up Michael from the start, I have never doubted his good heart and I never will. I trust him more than the system operated by hooligans who conceal themselves as very much concerned
about MIchael's welfare before the supposed death and even after the death. Michael seems like an ATM machine that they put in the card(their dramas/plans) and push the buttons(the people they use to carry out their dramas/plans) and OILA!! comes out the piece$$$ of cake they want. Some people are so amused with what's happening and they want bigger part$$$$ of the cake.

These are my thoughts and I'm waiting for the redemption day when the leeches/parasites will be exposed and Michael to prove that he can't be used anymore for their selfish/devious gains.

Harleyblonde wrote:@Truth_or_Dare
I agree with a lot of points but I dont really think they are "sending" us clues, I think they are perhaps little mistakes that they had not anticipated. Unless he plans to return (we all have our different opinions on this-I personally dont think he will-but we cannot 100% say who is right or wrong) there is no way we will be given clues. In the most perfect crimes/hoaxes there are always slip-ups/clues and with Jermaine, Joe and LaToya I think there are even more!

So many mistakes?! And they keep coming?!
Boy they must be really bad at this...a bunch of amatoures ...

I just posted and because the site is so slow I lost it so here I will try again (my avatar keeps disappearing too).

In my earlier posting, I indicated that even though I'm not sure what to believe that there seems to be a lot of "evidence/clues" that point to MIchael being alive. All the information whether true or not, fact or fiction, is too much for my poor mind to handle.

But I'm beginning to think that he might not want to resurface since the Schmuley tapes. He says he wants to disappear and he hates the fact that he's getting old (something that I can appreciate being in the same age category). Perhaps he just wants to live his life in whatever peace and quiet he can find. Even though he loves and appreciates his fans, don't you think that the constant fan frenzy has to be stressful? And if he really loathes his physical appearance as the tapes seem to suggest, perhaps he doesn't want the rest of world to see him as he gets older. Just my thoughts.

BTW, has anyone notice that reporting of the AP press release leave out the fact that supposedly there was no evidence in his stomach of pills?

Here is my post in the "no sickly old man thread", of that day....


Check out tmz:

UPDATE: 1:03 PM ET The Coroner also determined Jackson was actively producing sperm.

More details on the Michael Jackson autopsy. According to a new report, Jackson had osteoarthritis which was visible on his lower spine and fingers.

He had dark tattoos on his eyebrows and around his eyes and a dark tattoo on the front of his scalp -- possibly to cover bald spots.

The report says he was balding and suffered a skin disease. We've previously reported Jackson suffered from vitiligo.

His heart was strong but his lungs were inflamed.

The report says Jackson's stomach had no obvious signs of pills, nor were illegal drugs or alcohol detected.

The manner of death -- already reported to be a homicide -- was based in part on Propofol administered in a non-hospital setting.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0Shsn9TGw

Yes I did notice that City.gal1. The fact that he didn;t have any pills in his stomach.
As I said before, with no dead body there can be no real autopsy
IMHO!

I don't know if i chose the right thread but look what i found ...sorry if it has already been posted . I still didn't succeded in reading everything have been posted here..it's a huge amount of information and discussions.

http://predatorpress.blogspot.com/2009/07/update-michael-jackson-still-dead.html

What the?

Did you mean that for the Meastro thread? No ..seriously.

Truth_or_Dare wrote:3. HOAX
DEATH!





I’m gonna try to explain my points
better now.


There is little doubt in my mind that
MJ is alive! I’m not going to try and explain why I think that because I think
we all have the same information about this and we can all come to our
conclusion.


The point I’m trying to make is this:
There is more to this than meets the eye (even ours who have looked far beyond
face value). And when I say that I don’t mean I think he was killed; I have
already made my point on that. So this theory starts from the assumption that
MJ is alive.





All the information, pictures, videos
and documents that we have discussed so far have been given to us by someone (MJ’s camp IMO).
These aren’t secrets that we discovered; they are being given to us through the
media by someone involved in this hoax. And they are all either fake, or
inconsistent or they contradict other information given before.


Think about what MJ said : “You see what
I want you to see, when and how I want you to see it”.





The information out there on this case
has been perceived in different ways: there are people who take everything at
face value and move on, there are people who see something is up but don’t have
time or don’t care enough and they move on, and then there’s the ones who have
the time and the interest to look into it. And what does all this information
say to the last? Every new piece of the puzzle leads to the same conclusion:
that MJ is alive. But that’s it! No reason why, no clue as to when and how he’s
coming back. Nothing of that sort.


We re not really uncovering anything here. We
are simply players in their game, whatever that game is. They are sending clue
after clue and leads us nowhere. Except maybe make us believe more and more
that he’s alive.


Whoever is feeding is with these clues
wants our attention on it. For sure. Clues keep coming and before we have time
to digest what’s going on, we are being fed another one. We are focused on this
and we’re missing what’s going on backstage which could be the real deal of
this case.





Now, I’m not saying I KNOW what the
truth behind this is. I’m just realizing that there is more to this than meets
the eye and maybe it’s time to look at the bigger picture. I don’t know if we
have any chance to find out what the truth really is, but I think it’s
important to know that there is more about this than we think. Whatever the
truth is, I’m sure we won’t find it in what we’re being given. That is just to
keep us offtrack, IMO.





Picture yourself on MJ’s camp for a
moment. You have a very big secret to keep and you don’t want to make any
mistakes. And most importantly you don’t want people to know the secret. Sure,
a few mistakes are possible. We’re only human here. But if the mistakes were
the clues that we uncovered don’t you think it’s a little too many mistakes to
be made? All these holes in the stories aren’t IMO the mistakes they made on
the way and that we noticed. There’s too many of them and they keep coming.
They are on purpose being put out there to keep us confused, keep us wondering
and keep us on a different track that what they’re on.





I don’t know what the truth is and I have very little hope that we can
even discover it. I’m sure the secret is well guarded. But if we have any
chance to even get close to it we need to start looking elsewhere. Or at least
look at what they are telling us in a different way. Look behind the “behind
the face value” if you will. Maybe look at MJ’s life prior to this even, like
the informer said. Looking only at what happened after june 25th isn’t gonna go
anywhere.





This is starting to feel more and more like a sick game that we are
willingly playing and I’m personally getting sick of it. I’m seriously thinking
of taking a step back and just enjoy the show.





I don’t know if I made more sense with my theory now than I did before.
I’m getting tired, to tell you the truth, I don’t know how to explain this
better than I already have and I don’t want to create any paranoia either.


Look at the movie I told you about before. Maybe that makes more sense. “Die hard: with a vengeance” (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112864/plotsummary)





I’d love to hear your comments on this! Even if you think it’s crazy!





@jade.jackson – I hope this answers your question.





Paece!

TorD I definately see where you are coming from and to be honest I have felt the same way the past few days.

We are on a constant cycle of a new "something" to look into every 3-5 days. It never ever ever ends!

I totally agree that it is beng carefully fed to us to milk to a baby.

I also agree that we spend days and days digging until we hit the bottom and still we do not know the truth - perhaps we just like you said seem to build our faith wall just a little but higher - agreeing that Michael is still alive every day a little bit more but we are still no CLOSER TO GETTING over that wall then we were 4 months ago.

Sometimes I feel at this point what is the point of us continuing to do this?

Michael will come back if he wants to whenever he has planned to do so.

I also think that we should have done more to look into the PAST instead of concentrating on what happened since 6/25 except that I dont know where to start anymore.

I just miss Michael - and I wish I knew for sure that he was ok ... and most of all happy.

@CSLU-I think we all struggle here. Sometimes I think-would he want us to know? Does he want us to know? Would there be a point in doing this if he wanted everyone to know it? Ane if he comes back he does and if he doesnt then he doesnt. On the flip side...anywhere else but here is full of mud splattering prop that I just can't stand. It seems the only ones who are wanting the truth is is us here-and I am sure many others who just don't have the time to be here. I think I need to change my sig to "Seeking Closure" cause I jsut keep saying it. Keep the Faith cause we all be there!