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Post by hesouttamylife on Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:56 am

I do believe that Michal feared his death. But I am of the opinion that is because he had received threats from unrevealed sources. That is widely known and he told several prominent people of his fears. Therefore, in the event this actually happened, or he had to go away for a time, he would probably want to write down as much as he possibly could for his children. I would kill to get my hands on that diary. I had also heard about it.
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Post by hesouttamylife on Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:58 am

The reference to him putting a specific timeline on it only proves that what ever was going to happen had something to do with the timing of those concerts. That is why I strongly believe in my theory regarding the deal struck by his attorneys, himself and the Prince of Bahrain. The time is exacting.
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Post by suzzie on Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:07 am

the diary will never come out. He's still writing on it. MJ's knew he would die before "This is IT" - Page 2 Icon_biggrin

so it's either he's alive or he was murdered?
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Post by JustJamiee on Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:08 am

andrea_garay2005 wrote:oh, I don't believe this. I haven't seen the movie, but my opinion on why MJ looks weak is because he is 51 for God's sake....Can any of you imagine yourselfs dancing like that at 50?
If you were watching old performances, of course there is a difference.
I believe no one died on June 25th, so no harm was done and no way he would runaway.....it's unlike him!

I agree with you completely! He was 50 years old and yes, even our angle Micheal had to eventually grow up.
And as he grew he changed, it's only normal that he couldn't dance the same way he did at 20 or 30.
No one died on June 25th.
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Post by JustJamiee on Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:09 am

zeus wrote:I AM OF THE OPINION THAT LA TOYA IS AN AIRHEAD.SHE CRIED WOLF TOO MANY TIMES.HER BLOG IS ALL ABOUT HER.HER PLASTIC FACE,BIG BOOBS. TIGHT PANTS,HEAVY MAKEUP.HER FUTURE PROJECTS ETC.THERE IS HARDLY ANYTHING ABOUT M.J.HER BROTHER.

I agree. I don't believe anything La Toya says anymore and that's the truth. You're right she's cried wold one too many times and I just don't trust her...
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Post by JustJamiee on Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:13 am

suzzie wrote:i've been reading UNMASKED the final years of Michael Jackson, the author said Michael knew he would die b4 the O2 concerts, he even told Paris that he can't make it to the father's day. also according the author Michael spend most of his last days writting and when asked if he's writting a novel, he said no, he was writing something that he would like to leave to his children and his fans. don't know if any of this is true.

Maybe it's not that he knew he was going to "die" maybe he just knew he was going to fake his death soon Wink
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Post by Angelica on Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:25 am

Hello Friends!
I agree with Grace, Marshel and Lovely.
When it was reported in the press that Michael had a collapsed lung and had six months of life, of course I was worried, but I found something strange ... because soon after came aa disclosure that he would do shows in England.
When I saw, I asked them: How so? he was not sick?
They started the disclosures of the test scenes, I found even stranger, all right is no longer a boy, has 50 years, but the speed is low to none and above all with lung problems.
What is as smart as Michael does not believe that he would do these things knowing that he would die.
Friends, when a person receives the news, which has a short time to live, love and reverse past mistakes, she will not waste time working like a madman, to further enrich.
He would rather want to live up to everything that can not live with their children, friends.
Things that he failed to do on the press, media.
He would have his finger, as he did at times, and went to fight.
We lost here in Brazil yesterday an actress who worked in his last novel until a month ago, of lung cancer in recent months it only represented sitting.
So even if Michael had something very serious, nor stand upright he could.
It's what I say, every day more and more history, even when we handle it? MJ's knew he would die before "This is IT" - Page 2 Icon_question

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Post by nellyka7 on Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:44 am

JustJamiee wrote:
suzzie wrote:i've been reading UNMASKED the final years of Michael Jackson, the author said Michael knew he would die b4 the O2 concerts, he even told Paris that he can't make it to the father's day. also according the author Michael spend most of his last days writting and when asked if he's writting a novel, he said no, he was writing something that he would like to leave to his children and his fans. don't know if any of this is true.

Maybe it's not that he knew he was going to "die" maybe he just knew he was going to fake his death soon Wink

who wrote the Unmasked? And I heard that the diary kind of was outted. Someone found it but they remained anonymous and said that it is not their business; it only belongs to Michael and his family.
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Post by StripedFeline on Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:32 pm

I saw that book Unmasked yesterday in Borders, but I was looking for Michael's first book Moonwalker and couldn't find it, and I didn't know if Unmasked was any good or full of lies ...
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Post by mjgirl86 on Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:53 pm

StripedFeline wrote:I saw that book Unmasked yesterday in Borders, but I was looking for Michael's first book Moonwalker and couldn't find it, and I didn't know if Unmasked was any good or full of lies ...

Yeah, half the books I pick up now, I am uncertain of.. lies, lies, lies... I stopped looking for books, a long time ago. Just the legit ones, I know are good.
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Post by SPAKKLE29FUL on Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:04 pm

suzzie if it is by ian halperin that man is full of crap
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Post by Happy Feet on Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:40 pm

Unmasked is full of BS. It's tabloid sensationalism. I do believe Michael is alive. I don't believe he died from a long term illness, however timing was everything and necessary for the plan to be executed. But and if someone did die on 25 June, that was not Michael.

If you read most of the news, family and some so-called friends stories contradict each other all over the place. One says he was a drug addict, another says he is not. He died in his bed, he died in the dr's bed, he collapsed in front of prince in the lounge, he was healthy, he was not. Supposed "leaked" autopsy reports conflict. Accounts of his final days conflict. All his real friends have remained even up until this day - silent. As have a majority of his family. If the family believed Michael was murdered, wouldn't there be a united front? But you don't. Some family members claim he had a drug issue, some say he was clean. AEG apparently behind this, but a majority of the brothers out on red carpets events for the movie premiere, Randy Phillips taking the kids (minus the kids security and using AEG's) to a game?

Michael did fear his life. That was not tabloid sensationalism. That was fact. People have been trying to destory him for years and years. I could be wrong (and if I am, then I am) but I think there may be more to this story than just a movie. Michael could end up in jail if he returns if he has faked his death solely to outsmart the media or enter a realm of the unknown in the movie industry. There might be a serious and necessary reason for him to hoax his death. Maybe in the eyes of the general public and world at large, it is necessary that Michael remain dead and people think that until this so called homicide/drug investigation wraps up.

Anyway like I said, I could be wrong. Just my opinion. There is more evidence to prove he is alive and not dead, but the reasons for being dead at this moment, I don't think any of us can really know.
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Post by Happy Feet on Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:43 pm

hesouttamylife wrote:I do believe that Michal feared his death. But I am of the opinion that is because he had received threats from unrevealed sources. That is widely known and he told several prominent people of his fears. Therefore, in the event this actually happened, or he had to go away for a time, he would probably want to write down as much as he possibly could for his children. I would kill to get my hands on that diary. I had also heard about it.

I agree with you on this one. Unless he is working with authorities (which I think he is), there would be jail time on his return if it was something such a breaking boundaries in movies.
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Post by starseeker on Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:06 pm

stripped female,

you can find moonwalker on amazon, but also read the magic and the madness.


love always
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Post by JustAnotherPartOfMe on Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:26 pm

SPAKKLE29FUL wrote:well the paramedics claimed they did not recognise him for 15 mins,he looked like a frail old man with very white skin, ambulance picture to me looked like mj and the skin colour was not very white. so he was at the studio hours before fit and healthy next morning unrecognisable and frail whats wrong here

I definitely agree with you SPAKKLE29FUL.

Guys, correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't one of the authopsies report he had BED SORES???

How could that be, a man dancing and singing on stage as he performed??? To my knowledge, bed sores are lesions occuring on ill people, forced to stay in bed for long time!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedsore

(Don't open this link if you are highly sensitive, there are impressive pictures... ) Wink
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Post by me0101 on Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:28 pm

sorry. but imo, latoya is not credible.
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Post by KNOWhesALIVE on Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:32 pm

Happy Feet wrote:Unmasked is full of BS. It's tabloid sensationalism. I do believe Michael is alive. I don't believe he died from a long term illness, however timing was everything and necessary for the plan to be executed. But and if someone did die on 25 June, that was not Michael.

If you read most of the news, family and some so-called friends stories contradict each other all over the place. One says he was a drug addict, another says he is not. He died in his bed, he died in the dr's bed, he collapsed in front of prince in the lounge, he was healthy, he was not. Supposed "leaked" autopsy reports conflict. Accounts of his final days conflict. All his real friends have remained even up until this day - silent. As have a majority of his family. If the family believed Michael was murdered, wouldn't there be a united front? But you don't. Some family members claim he had a drug issue, some say he was clean. AEG apparently behind this, but a majority of the brothers out on red carpets events for the movie premiere, Randy Phillips taking the kids (minus the kids security and using AEG's) to a game?

Michael did fear his life. That was not tabloid sensationalism. That was fact. People have been trying to destory him for years and years. I could be wrong (and if I am, then I am) but I think there may be more to this story than just a movie. Michael could end up in jail if he returns if he has faked his death solely to outsmart the media or enter a realm of the unknown in the movie industry. There might be a serious and necessary reason for him to hoax his death. Maybe in the eyes of the general public and world at large, it is necessary that Michael remain dead and people think that until this so called homicide/drug investigation wraps up.

Anyway like I said, I could be wrong. Just my opinion. There is more evidence to prove he is alive and not dead, but the reasons for being dead at this moment, I don't think any of us can really know.


Oh no i've just bought that book today...
Anyway you should read Conspiracy it's really good and trustfull...
Tom Meserau ( his lawyer) is the co author
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Post by SPAKKLE29FUL on Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:50 pm

yeah it did say bedsores
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Post by Sweet1 on Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:12 pm

I agree! This Hoax has been planned since 1908's. I don't believe MJ was home that night on June 25th either. He was either with Alvarez that made the 911 call from Beverly Hills Hotel or somewhere else. He wasn't at his residence. The paramedics didn't recognize him for 15 mins. Nope! He's alive because there's just too many inconsistencies and I don't have an open mind to believe that he knowingly knew that ppl were out to hurt him and he would just sit idioly by and allow them to take his life. That's not MJ he's a fighter and he doesn't take crap from anyone. Keep the Faith!

billiejean17 wrote:This Hoax was in the pipeline for a very long time, i believe that Michael wasn't even at his home the night he was supossed to have (died) He was long gone Probably with his Mom at Encino MJ's knew he would die before "This is IT" - Page 2 Icon_smile
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Post by hesouttamylife on Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:26 pm

SPAKKLE29FUL wrote:yeah it did say bedsores

WTF - THEY REALLY SHOULD OF GOTTEN THEIR FACTS TOGETHER BEFORE REPORTING THAT. THE MAN WAS REHEARSING FOR 12 HOURS PRIOR TO THIS DEATH THING, FOR HEAVENS SAKE. HOW IN HELL COULD HE PERFORM WITH BEDSORES? HE WAS NOT BEDRIDDEN. THAT'S HOW YOU GET BEDSORES.

YOU'RE A VEGETABLE. YOU'RE A VEGETABLE. LOL!!!!
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Post by SPAKKLE29FUL on Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:14 pm

maybe he had a bed strapped to his back, sorry couldnt help myself ive gone insane
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Post by Happy Feet on Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:37 pm

hesouttamylife wrote:The reference to him putting a specific timeline on it only proves that what ever was going to happen had something to do with the timing of those concerts. That is why I strongly believe in my theory regarding the deal struck by his attorneys, himself and the Prince of Bahrain. The time is exacting.


I have information on Michael and the prince of bahrain and a theory to that as well. What is theory on this if you don't mind sharing?
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Post by ILuvUMoreMJ on Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:00 pm

JustAnotherPartOfMe wrote:
Guys, correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't one of the authopsies report he had BED SORES???

How could that be, a man dancing and singing on stage as he performed??? To my knowledge, bed sores are lesions occuring on ill people, forced to stay in bed for long time!

Thank you for bringing this up! I have read this a few times now and it makes absolutely no sense. I've heard that after the trial he didn't get out of bed for a long time, but I just don't believe that since he had young children to look after. He also seemed to be on the move a lot...I don't know of any time he wasn't seen for a long stretch, according to the MJ timeline. There is something very fishy going on. Suspect
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Post by Happy Feet on Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:39 pm

me0101 wrote:sorry. but imo, latoya is not credible.



Yeah I do agree with you on that point. Sometimes so comes across at a bit of a nutter MJ's knew he would die before "This is IT" - Page 2 Icon_biggrin Latoya is not the most credible source to rely on here, but she isn't the only one calling foul play/murder on this. Joe Jackson has too (I know, not credible either) but Katherine Jackson has said that something "isn't right" as has Randy Jackson. By the way Randy Jackson is endorsed by Karen Faye as "one of us" to all the "This Is Not It" supporters. I believe that this campaign was deliberately set up to make Michael death more believable too. Their claims are that Michael was not eating, skinny/skeleton like, drugged up, unable to perform etc near the time of his death) The status of his condition of health from this group supports some of the findings in that so-called fake first autopsy report (i.e. no food in stomach just drugs, weight 110 lbs etc).



Every time TINI is challenged or asked a question regarding their statements of Michaels health, all they would do was respond with “read our testimony pages”. So I did, and I read them over and over again, because they wouldn’t answer legitimate questions. I picked up a few inconsistencies in their claims and when I private emailed them to clarify this, they didn’t answer and blocked me altogether. Some of those inconsistencies are that Sandy claims she spent time with Michael in October (Halloween to be exact) and that back then she noticed his weight was really plummeting and that it struck her how thin he was, but then Samantha claims she saw Michael in November and that he “looked great” was very calm, very clear and lucid and that there was nothing “wrong with him” that evening. Marika claims he rehearsed everyday in front of 200 people, Sandy claims he would go to rehearsals later and later and sometimes cancel and Talin claimed he hadn’t been on stage for the past 3 rehearsals. There are other minor inconsistencies, but I’d be here typing too long.



Anyway contradictions all round here, but TINI main purpose I think is to keep people believing he is dead and that his unhealthy, stressed out state and drugged up condition helped contribute to his demise and need for propofol. Their IP Address if you trace it is in the middle of Rosedale Cemetery!



Sorry don’t mean to bore you all with this. I’m not some weird out conspiracy theorist. Things don’t add up, that’s all and there just seems more to this than meets the eye. But hey I acknowledge that I could be wrong too.
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Post by hesouttamylife on Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:53 pm

Happy Feet wrote:
hesouttamylife wrote:The reference to him putting a specific timeline on it only proves that what ever was going to happen had something to do with the timing of those concerts. That is why I strongly believe in my theory regarding the deal struck by his attorneys, himself and the Prince of Bahrain. The time is exacting.


I have information on Michael and the prince of bahrain and a theory to that as well. What is theory on this if you don't mind sharing?

go to the thread re: DEA Theories - I posted it there
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Post by Happy Feet on Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:05 pm

hesouttamylife wrote:
Happy Feet wrote:
hesouttamylife wrote:The reference to him putting a specific timeline on it only proves that what ever was going to happen had something to do with the timing of those concerts. That is why I strongly believe in my theory regarding the deal struck by his attorneys, himself and the Prince of Bahrain. The time is exacting.


I have information on Michael and the prince of bahrain and a theory to that as well. What is theory on this if you don't mind sharing?

go to the thread re: DEA Theories - I posted it there

Ok, thanks, will look now.
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Post by shasta2001 on Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:25 pm

Unmasked is a pack of lies. I think the best books are The Magic and the Madness(written by one of his childhood friends) and The Michael Jackson Conspiracy.
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Post by hesouttamylife on Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:26 pm

Happy Feet wrote:
hesouttamylife wrote:
Happy Feet wrote:
hesouttamylife wrote:The reference to him putting a specific timeline on it only proves that what ever was going to happen had something to do with the timing of those concerts. That is why I strongly believe in my theory regarding the deal struck by his attorneys, himself and the Prince of Bahrain. The time is exacting.


I have information on Michael and the prince of bahrain and a theory to that as well. What is theory on this if you don't mind sharing?

go to the thread re: DEA Theories - I posted it there

Ok, thanks, will look now.

in DEA theory - sub title - LAPD
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Post by shasta2001 on Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:35 pm

I took an old friend to see This Is It tonight and discussed the MJ alive theory. She left the movie saying," this was planned to be a movie" and is now a hoax believer. She even called her Mom(who is also an MJ fan) to tell her the info I have compiled and she was very interested in the hoax theory! Have to love it!
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Post by Happy Feet on Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:37 pm

hesouttamylife wrote:
Happy Feet wrote:
hesouttamylife wrote:The reference to him putting a specific timeline on it only proves that what ever was going to happen had something to do with the timing of those concerts. That is why I strongly believe in my theory regarding the deal struck by his attorneys, himself and the Prince of Bahrain. The time is exacting.


I have information on Michael and the prince of bahrain and a theory to that as well. What is theory on this if you don't mind sharing?

go to the thread re: DEA Theories - I posted it there

Ok, that information is similar to what I have too regarding Michael and the Prince of Bahrain. I believe this theory or the DEA one are really the only plausible explanations here (and reasons credible enough that he could stage his death without suffering the ramifications of the law should he ever be able to safely return). I'm obviously posting in the wrong thread here. Sorry, last night was the first time I have ever posted on this site. Still getting used to it.
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Post by Christiana on Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:45 pm

ILuvUMoreMJ wrote:Well I give you credit for having an open mind, and I think we should all realize it may not turn out to be the happy ending we desire...but I think I'd believe he hoaxed his death over stage fright before this. Wink I am one of the few that doesn't believe TII was ever meant to be a movie though.

Agree with you!!
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Post by zeus on Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:11 am

if m.j. hoaxed his death what about the stories of people committing suicide .Can anybody confirm the story of people committing suicide or is it another media trick.lf true m.j. will have to live with it the rest of his life.Hmmmmmmmmmm.
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Post by Happy Feet on Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:21 am

zeus wrote:if m.j. hoaxed his death what about the stories of people committing suicide .Can anybody confirm the story of people committing suicide or is it another media trick.lf true m.j. will have to live with it the rest of his life.Hmmmmmmmmmm.

Yeah I've heard those stories too but have not seen any articles from the actual families in the news coming forward and saying this. Could just be a media trick. That's one of the reason why I don't believe this has anything to do with the "movie theory" and it goes much deeper than that. If fans were really killing themselves, Michael would of come forward to put a stop on it. Theres no way he would of allowed fans to kill themselves over a movie. Could you imagine the backlash and wrongful death suits filed against him upon his return? Not to mention the jail time. The media and public in general would not be that forgiving (that's if these suicides really did take place) That's not Michael.

However if his life (and possibly the life of his children) were in danger then yes, he would need to remain in hiding, particularly if he is working with government agencies on this.
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Post by zeus on Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:03 am

l don't believe he is working with the government.The government was behind his prosecution and persecution from the start.Don't forget they handcuffed him tight enough to suffer bruizes ,they wreaked his shoulder,they locked him in the dirty police toilet for 45 min ,they raided Neverland in search of "evidence",they basically ransacked the place,the state prosecuted {sneddon]him with taxpayers money,while M.J. had to defend himself with real money.AND DON'T FORGET HIS SONG "THEY DONT CARE ABOUT US.Read the lyrics.All the information /evidence about what happen to him is right there.
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Post by Happy Feet on Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:11 am

It wasn't the overall government that did this too him. It was Sneddon and his team etc. We can't assume that all the government are as corrupt as they were. That was a vendatta and a case that never should of made it to trial. I know what they did to him and what they put him through. and all the lyrics to pretty much every song he has sung.

This however is a different senario. IF he's not working with any government agencies in this, then I'm assuming he ain't coming back into the public eye.
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Post by zeus on Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:20 am

I DONT BELIEVE WE WILL EVER SEE HIM AGAIN.DEAD OR ALIVE FOR THAT MATTER.REMEMBER IF HE IS ALIVE ,HE STILL IS IN GREAT DANGER IF NOT GREATER .BECAUSE OFFICIALLY HE IS DEAD.IF "THEY"EVER KILL HIM NOW,HMMM HOW CAN THEY KILL SOMEONE THAT IS ALREADY DEAD.UNDERSTAND?WE ARE OPENING A BIGGER CAN OF WORMS.
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Post by MJonmind on Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:29 am

I heard also that several people committed suicide when he married LMP, so whatever he did people would lose it. If crazy fans got hit by a car trying to see him would it be his fault? I have a daughter who is often suicidal, it takes very little for her to be very down and think of hurting herself. Do all the families of the many thousands of people who commit, blame someone, schools, friends, etc. for their deaths?
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