Re: E-Mail from one of MJ's "Followers" the women who followed him all over the world

by IWSICS Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:23 am

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:Thanks Lovelidae.
But there is a reason I believe her. although she never mentioned drugs (i cant remember if she did) I really think Mj had a drug problem and he was too skinny. We all see that in the rehearsal vids. His legs give it away. I think his body had just had enough. He wasnt eating, sure sign of a problem, and allthe years leading the life he lead, I just think his body gave up. When you are not eating, your internal organs dont work right and his heart may have jsut given up...it didnt have the strength to keep going anymore and if he took diprovan then it was just a matter of time.

Im cryig right now and cant even work. He didnt deserve this.

And besides...JCC has never mentioned MJ being alive...he just says he's happy and not coming back and that to me means he is happy in Heaven...

this sucks.

I posted this on the other topic too..
SOME things JCC said:

**I am not prepared to say too much but a few people on this site are very close to the truth with what they are speculating.**

**I cannot reveal too much at this present time but I can tell you, MJ is happy now.**

**Things are progressing well and everything is according to plan.**

**Trust MJ**

All present tense, sounds like he is saying he is alive.
That doesnt seem like the sort of thing you say when someone has died Smile

hope i helped you!!

by lovelidae Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:26 am

@Jacksonologist

I'm sorry you're so down, and I've had my share of bad days so I won't knock you for that. I just think maybe you need to take a break and get some fresh air for a little. We all have to believe in something at some point and it's okay that you choose to believe in this email. I think I'm going to keep on going in this journey, there is definitely more here than meets the eye.

Maybe Michael was too thin and ailing but that doesn't mean he died. He may have realized it and put his plan into effect to get away. I'm still choosing to believe that he is happier wherever he is, I just think he's happier on this earth. My heart still says he's alive and I have to listen to my heart. I believe that the heart is where God speaks the most and the loudest, and I'm listening. I'll be praying for you.

Sending out love, peace, and light to you all.

by Smelly Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:27 am

Awwwww, ******HUGSSSSSSS******

by lovelidae Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:29 am

IWSICS wrote:
THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:Thanks Lovelidae.
But there is a reason I believe her. although she never mentioned drugs (i cant remember if she did) I really think Mj had a drug problem and he was too skinny. We all see that in the rehearsal vids. His legs give it away. I think his body had just had enough. He wasnt eating, sure sign of a problem, and allthe years leading the life he lead, I just think his body gave up. When you are not eating, your internal organs dont work right and his heart may have jsut given up...it didnt have the strength to keep going anymore and if he took diprovan then it was just a matter of time.

Im cryig right now and cant even work. He didnt deserve this.

And besides...JCC has never mentioned MJ being alive...he just says he's happy and not coming back and that to me means he is happy in Heaven...

this sucks.

I posted this on the other topic too..
SOME things JCC said:

**I am not prepared to say too much but a few people on this site are very close to the truth with what they are speculating.**

**I cannot reveal too much at this present time but I can tell you, MJ is happy now.**

**Things are progressing well and everything is according to plan.**

**Trust MJ**

All present tense, sounds like he is saying he is alive.
That doesnt seem like the sort of thing you say when someone has died
hope i helped you!!

I agree 100%. I don't think JCC was implying that Michael was happier because he is dead. If that was the case I think he would have said something like "Michael is in a better place". Michael loves life and living, so I think he would be the happiest living. Just my opinion.

by IWSICS Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:30 am

totally agrred with lovelidae.. and this goes out to everyone! remember..

*Although your heart is on your left side, it's always right!*

hugs and love!

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:31 am

lovelidae wrote:@Jacksonologist

I'm sorry you're so down, and I've had my share of bad days so I won't knock you for that. I just think maybe you need to take a break and get some fresh air for a little. We all have to believe in something at some point and it's okay that you choose to believe in this email. I think I'm going to keep on going in this journey, there is definitely more here than meets the eye.

Maybe Michael was too thin and ailing but that doesn't mean he died. He may have realized it and put his plan into effect to get away. I'm still choosing to believe that he is happier wherever he is, I just think he's happier on this earth. My heart still says he's alive and I have to listen to my heart. I believe that the heart is where God speaks the most and the loudest, and I'm listening. I'll be praying for you.

Sending out love, peace, and light to you all.

Awww Thank you for that. ****hugs*** and to IWSICS

I dont know. Something about that stupid email just doesnt sit right with me. I WANT so desperately to believe still that he's alive. But she had first hand knowledge you know? I would kill to find out what those letters to MJ said. The ones he asked for the night beofre he died. Can anyone find that out?

Im gonna solider on with you guys. I think Im just confused today.

by lovelidae Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:42 am

*****hugs***** back to you both. You're a good soldier Jacksonologist, you're just having one of those days. I'm ecstatic you're going to keep going with us. We need YOU!!!

Than IWSICS, I love the saying. Can I have permission to use that again. It's cute and catchy, just the way I like them.

We're gonna get through this guys.

by ilprincipe Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:47 am

This fan is again an unspecified source...
so I don`t believe in her mail....
absolutely not convincing for me...Those mails just suck....

and don`t forget...those MJ forums don`t like if you post
sth. about hoax...

they`re openminded for everything they read in the rags...
for every possibility which caused MJs death...
but not for the possibility that MJ could be alive...

by IWSICS Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:48 am

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
lovelidae wrote:@Jacksonologist

I'm sorry you're so down, and I've had my share of bad days so I won't knock you for that. I just think maybe you need to take a break and get some fresh air for a little. We all have to believe in something at some point and it's okay that you choose to believe in this email. I think I'm going to keep on going in this journey, there is definitely more here than meets the eye.

Maybe Michael was too thin and ailing but that doesn't mean he died. He may have realized it and put his plan into effect to get away. I'm still choosing to believe that he is happier wherever he is, I just think he's happier on this earth. My heart still says he's alive and I have to listen to my heart. I believe that the heart is where God speaks the most and the loudest, and I'm listening. I'll be praying for you.

Sending out love, peace, and light to you all.

Awww Thank you for that. ****hugs*** and to IWSICS

I dont know. Something about that stupid email just doesnt sit right with me. I WANT so desperately to believe still that he's alive. But she had first hand knowledge you know? I would kill to find out what those letters to MJ said. The ones he asked for the night beofre he died. Can anyone find that out?

Im gonna solider on with you guys. I think Im just confused today.

No problem, thats what we're all here for! Smile

to support one another!
We all have our off days, and im sure you'll be fine later on! Just remember we've always wanted our proof! This person has no proof- when she proves it, I MIGHT believe her.(She only gets my might because based on the other consistencies that letter isnt significant at all!!) That letter has only scratched the surface of my faith! And all will be restored soon! Smile

A song just came on MTV that I thought I'd share with you all because it was very significant and symbolic considering what I am feeling.. It was Jordin Sparks- One Step At A Time.

For those who don't know it here are the lyrics: http://www.metrolyrics.com/one-step-at-a-time-lyrics-jordin-sparks.html

This is EXACTLY what we should be doing! Smile

maybe its a sign.. hehe flower

Love and hugs to THE JACKSONOLOGIST, lovelidae and everyone else! Smile

by IWSICS Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:49 am

lovelidae wrote:*****hugs***** back to you both. You're a good soldier Jacksonologist, you're just having one of those days. I'm ecstatic you're going to keep going with us. We need YOU!!!

Than IWSICS, I love the saying. Can I have permission to use that again. It's cute and catchy, just the way I like them.

We're gonna get through this guys.

Of course you can Smile

everyone else please feel free to use it also! flower

by lovelidae Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:50 am

ilprincipe wrote:This fan is again an unspecified source...
so I don`t believe in her mail....
absolutely not convincing for me...Those mails just suck....

and don`t forget...those MJ forums don`t like if you post
sth. about hoax...

they`re openminded for everything they read in the rags...
for every possibility which caused MJs death...
but not for the possibility that MJ could be alive...

Well said! I'm in agreeance.

by IWSICS Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:52 am

lovelidae wrote:
ilprincipe wrote:This fan is again an unspecified source...
so I don`t believe in her mail....
absolutely not convincing for me...Those mails just suck....

and don`t forget...those MJ forums don`t like if you post
sth. about hoax...

they`re openminded for everything they read in the rags...
for every possibility which caused MJs death...
but not for the possibility that MJ could be alive...

Well said! I'm in agreeance.

I second that! Smile

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:59 am

Youre right...all of you. You know Im sure its because of my "time of the month" (sorry for sharing too much info)...I get all whacked out on hormones. I went off on my BF last night for no good reason.

The only thing though is this person had pictures. I can be very gullible sometimes to a fault.

by lovelidae Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:04 am

It's okay Jacksonologist. As far as PMS goes, you're preaching to the choir. I'm glad you're starting to feel better.

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:11 am

I dont usually come here during the weekends. I stay off the computer actually since I spend all week on it at work. So hopefully by Monday I'llbe fresh and new.

Maybe I will slide over to the gold pants thread for a bit!! Twisted Evil

by dianafan Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:34 am

I think that maybe there is some truth in this, about him being skinny. I think one of these followers went to a newspaper just before or just after the events of 25.06 saying he was very very thin.

Also take Ian Halperins ramblings about the drugs and MJ self injecting.

Right a the start of MJHD it was reported in UK press that Joe had seen MJ the night before - but Halperin said MJs people wouldn't call him.

So, maybe , just maybe the letters from the girls were his wake up call, and this happened.

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?page_id=293/the-jackson-family-their-role-in-this-hoax/what-if-joe&value=sf%25members%252%25user277&search=1&ret=all

I knew I could resurrect this theory somehow! ( I know its a bit cheeky in some parts - but its not meant to be disrespectful) - if you don't like it I will edit my post

by Guest Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:37 am

Mabye! But for Ian Haleprin I only have 3 words: GO TOO HELL

That man is more full of shit than a toilet.

SORRY! Im feeling better now

by jpresley Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:38 am

CantStopLovingU wrote:Unfortunately as part of this investigation we have to explore all the things that come up along the way. In all these weeks, this is the first time I have ever heard of the "Followers" - It wasnt just one or two women, it was several.

If you go to this page, you will see the pictures of the one who wrote the email (she has dark hair) and she is defending her friend Karen who has the blond hair holding the evian bottle.

Just scroll until you get to the pictures.

http://forum.mjackson.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8421

I'm confused, because Karen Faye (the chick in the picture with Michael) was his makeup artist for YEARS. WTF?

by DawneVee Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:47 am

MyBelovedMJ wrote:Mabye! But for Ian Haleprin I only have 3 words: GO TOO HELL

That man is more full of shit than a toilet.

SORRY! Im feeling better now

LMAO...that's funny.. Laughing

We should ban the name Ian Halperin from this forum because we all knew he spews forth lies and crap.

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:50 am

dianafan wrote:I think that maybe there is some truth in this, about him being skinny. I think one of these followers went to a newspaper just before or just after the events of 25.06 saying he was very very thin.

Also take Ian Halperins ramblings about the drugs and MJ self injecting.

Right a the start of MJHD it was reported in UK press that Joe had seen MJ the night before - but Halperin said MJs people wouldn't call him.

So, maybe , just maybe the letters from the girls were his wake up call, and this happened.

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?page_id=293/the-jackson-family-their-role-in-this-hoax/what-if-joe&value=sf%25members%252%25user277&search=1&ret=all

I knew I could resurrect this theory somehow! ( I know its a bit cheeky in some parts - but its not meant to be disrespectful) - if you don't like it I will edit my post

he WAS skinny..its not a matter of someones word against the other. He was skinny. Look at his rehearsal vids. You can see he's skinny.
and if these letters were wake up call, then how could he have had so little time to fake his death??? you dont just decide one night after reading letters from friends/fans pleading with you to take care of yourself, and then the next day you fake die. Either he did die for real or he faked it and it was already planned and these letters were a part of his nightime activities...just a random thing happening and they have nothing to do with anything.

someone needs to find this person and get her ass over here, cusIve some some big ass questions!

by jpresley Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:25 am

jpresley wrote:
CantStopLovingU wrote:Unfortunately as part of this investigation we have to explore all the things that come up along the way. In all these weeks, this is the first time I have ever heard of the "Followers" - It wasnt just one or two women, it was several.

If you go to this page, you will see the pictures of the one who wrote the email (she has dark hair) and she is defending her friend Karen who has the blond hair holding the evian bottle.

Just scroll until you get to the pictures.

http://forum.mjackson.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8421

I'm confused, because Karen Faye (the chick in the picture with Michael) was his makeup artist for YEARS. WTF?

LOL - I should have read through the entire thread before commenting! What I find disturbing is that Karen Faye has been updating her FB quite often as of late talking about MJ's drug problem and how she couldn't get thru to him and such. They did have a falling out in 2005 (I believe because of the nanny) and he let her go then but brought her back for O2 shows.

by Another.Part.Of.Me Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:26 am

[quote="CantStopLovingU"]Unfortunately as part of this investigation we have to explore all the things that come up along the way. In all these weeks, this is the first time I have ever heard of the "Followers" - It wasnt just one or two women, it was several.

If you go to this page, you will see the pictures of the one who wrote the email (she has dark hair) and she is defending her friend Karen who has the blond hair holding the evian bottle.

Just scroll until you get to the pictures.

http://forum.mjackson.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8421[/quote]

Just to clarify - the blonde Karen holding the Evian bottle is make up artist Karen Faye - Michael's long time make-up artist who has been with him for well over a decade.
I'm not sure if someone has clarified this already (I haven't read through all the pages/posts on this thread yet) - but this is Karen Faye not some stalker chick followng Michael everywhere.
You will see interviews with her on 'Michael Jackson: The Footage You Were Never Meant To See'

The stalker Karen is probably someone else, but not the blonde woman holding the Evian bottle beside Michael in the picture linked above.

*EDIT* I should have waited to read through all the pages lol

by jpresley Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:48 am

[quote="Another.Part.Of.Me"]

CantStopLovingU wrote:Unfortunately as part of this investigation we have to explore all the things that come up along the way. In all these weeks, this is the first time I have ever heard of the "Followers" - It wasnt just one or two women, it was several.

If you go to this page, you will see the pictures of the one who wrote the email (she has dark hair) and she is defending her friend Karen who has the blond hair holding the evian bottle.

Just scroll until you get to the pictures.

http://forum.mjackson.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8421[/quote]

Just to clarify - the blonde Karen holding the Evian bottle is make up artist Karen Faye - Michael's long time make-up artist who has been with him for well over a decade.
I'm not sure if someone has clarified this already (I haven't read through all the pages/posts on this thread yet) - but this is Karen Faye not some stalker chick followng Michael everywhere.
You will see interviews with her on 'Michael Jackson: The Footage You Were Never Meant To See'

The stalker Karen is probably someone else, but not the blonde woman holding the Evian bottle beside Michael in the picture linked above.

*EDIT* I should have waited to read through all the pages lol

Ha - I did the same damn thing! Ants in our pants! lol!

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:20 pm

I do not care what anyone says. Michael DID have a drug problem.

I am a recovering addict/alcoholic myself and I KNOW an addict when I see one. I have been sober for 9 yrs this October 28th and some of MJ's actions in recent yrs really bothered me because I knew what was going on.
Now, I hope to GOD I am wrong, but I am just going with my experience with the shit.....Michaels weight loss is a BIG key.....I will explain later

by jpresley Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:28 pm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:I do not care what anyone says. Michael DID have a drug problem.

I am a recovering addict/alcoholic myself and I KNOW an addict when I see one. I have been sober for 9 yrs this October 28th and some of MJ's actions in recent yrs really bothered me because I knew what was going on.
Now, I hope to GOD I am wrong, but I am just going with my experience with the shit.....Michaels weight loss is a BIG key.....I will explain later

I have watched many people in my family suffer from addiction and I agree weight loss is a sign. However, MJ was always on the thin side. He has even admitted to hurting himself (via not eating) when he was a kid because it was the only control he had over his life. That's classic anorexic/eating disorder talk. I can't help but think that with all the pressure(s) in his life, he didn't succumb to those urges again. Now, I'm not saying he didn't use drugs, I just am having a VERY hard time with the propofol because that does not give you rest - it just knocks you out. You wake up and still feel like shit because you haven't rested.

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:39 pm

This is true. I dont know about the propofol either cus it doesnt let you sleep. But I do believe he had a drug problem coupled with other issues. Maybe an eating disorder as well...

Listen to him talk in his Private home videos...when he's narrating them.....he is slurring his words BIG time.

by Another.Part.Of.Me Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:47 pm

I'll accept that Michael had a painkiller addiction due to the various injuries he suffered - that is something I will accept.
I don't think he had a hard drug addiction, by hard drugs I mean heroin, cocaine etc. but painkillers yeah maybe. Although, not to the extent that the media says he did (20 xanax, 80 this, whatever that) no, no way because he'd have died. That's enough medication to down a horse let alone an already skinny man, and face it, Michael was always skinny, there's not an ounce of fat on him anywhere, he was that skinny.
Is it unhealthy skinny? I don't know, there are many people who are very skinny and who do lead healthy lives, Terri Hatcher is a twig but she's still healthy and doing her thing. It could be down to his metabolism.

The propofol is BS, it won't give him any peace or rest, it'll just knock him senseless and then he'll wake up still as f'd up as he felt before he went under. If he took it to sleep it wouldn't have helped him at all. When you go under for surgery, once you wake up you feel like cr@p, you're groggy, and just feel like hell all over. It's not a sleeping aid or a sleeping pill. He'd have been better off drinking warm milk before bed and then doing breathing exercises laying down, that always does the trick.

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:52 pm

There are addicts who are addicted to anestheatics. But the police are going to find out. They will track down every name MJ used to get his drugs and they will find out how long he has been using them....I dont think he was a herion cocaine person but you never know. You really never know.
The truth is gonna h urt some people Im afraid. I think he hid it very well, but at some points on TV and such, you can tell he was messed up. Im sorry people but thats what I think.

by Another.Part.Of.Me Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:56 pm

Michael was so against drugs, and I don't think he'd ever touch them (hard/street drugs I mean).
I read up on the anesthesia addicts, the ones who are addicted to propofol etc and they are mostly nurses and people who work in hospitals. They carried out a study on them at a treatment centre for nurse/doctor addicts.
Propofol is so hard to come by, it's not readily available to normal people - you or I - and not over the counter either. The only people who would be able to get their hands on it are medical professionals and hospitals. Even then, and this is where it gets sketchy - in the US it is not a controlled substance, so this potentially means that any yahoo doctor like Klein, Murray et al would theoretically be able to get their hands on it readily i.e. outside of a hospital setting.

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:05 pm

Exactly....

by Another.Part.Of.Me Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:23 pm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:Exactly....

That doesn't mean they did though. I said potentially and theoretically it could happen.
I don't know the exact process in the US for doctors getting hold of medicine esp something as dangerous as propofol, and Murray is not licensed to prescribe medicine in the State of California so there would be no way for him to get ahold of propofol.
Klein is a dermatologist, and I'm assuming that doctors are regulated by a medical council or governing body in the States the same way that all doctors in the UK are monitored by the General Medical Council [GMC].

This (what I've said in this post and the previous ones) has proved nothing, absolutely nothing either way because we don't have any information and it doesn't prove that Michael is dead. Until we have more information we still don't know anything, but what we do know is that this is an extremely complicated case where nothing is as it seems, and where we are being deliberately mislead.

This is what we do know:
- We have no official confirmation of death. The doctors who worked on him, the coroner, even the LAPD police chief have not come out and said anything. When a famous person dies, esp in hospital, every single doctor involved likes to come out, hold a press conference and give details. In a city like LA, for everyone in an official capacity to keep completely silent is beyond a miracle.

- We have several conflicting and contradictory accounts of everything. No one has been straight, we've just had truckloads of Bull thrown at us at every turn, inflaming the media and BSing about everything - but note - the people claiming to have donated sperm and claim to have fathered michael's children - none of them are prepared to go to court or file an official petition to have those children DNA-tested. If I thought someone was my child then damn straight I'd have them tested for confirmation.
What has happened here is a lot of smoke with no fire.

- None of the things we have been told add up ... at all. Every one involved has a different account, things are not adding up and now 7 weeks on people can't remember the stories they told 6-7 weeks ago. This proves that it is a lie - if it were a real death/burial then why would significant things like Latoya's burial outfit - that she dressed the body in herself - suddenly have changed colour? I'm pretty sure that corpses cannot change their clothes.

- The 'official' pictures that we have been given are blatantly photoshopped. The 'final picture' looks nothing like the Michael that we know, it looks like Michael 20 years ago in the 80s - sure, but it looks nothing like the Michael that we have known over the past 10-odd years.

- Dr Klein said that he was rebuilding Michael's face. He tweets about a masterpiece, he refers to this masterpiece as a Rembrandt or some famous artist guy - what does klein know about classical art?

As yet there are as many if not more things to show that this is a hoax than there are to show that he is dead.

What I do think is hun, and don't take this the wrong way ok. I think you're getting burned out. I think you need to take a break for a while, don't post, don't read on here, don't read anything in the media and just take some time out for yourself and for your health. I think the weight of all the things we have seen/read/heard is finally getting to you and you won't be happy unless you take some time out and look after yourself for a bit, pamper yourself, do other things, RnR, get some TLC and just get away from it all.

by jpresley Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:28 pm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:Exactly....

I'm down w/the prescription drugs. Mike had a lot of injuries from performing and I think he was just, well, accident prone, too. I'll have to go back and check out the family videos because I didn't notice him slurring his words. I will say, however, that I take muscle relaxers for neck and back pain myself, and if you have, say, one glass of wine, that can effect how you act and sound. It is not entirely out of the realm of possibility that yes he took stuff, but wasn't completely f*cked up all the time. Not entirely buying the propofol thing yet. Regardless of his addiction (or lack thereof), the circumstances around his death are very sketchy. Seriously sketchy. If he were that f*cked up on stuff, how in the hell did he pass that physical from Lloyd's? And, that's just one example. Why did Murray take so damn long to call the paramedics? Why is there no other picture of MJ (I mean, really? the biggest scoop of the century and NO ONE saw anything beyond the initial ambulance pic?), why haven't any of the doctors or nurses that worked on him come forward to talk about the state he was in? Some in MJ's camp may have had confidentiality agreements, but the hospital staff certainly doesn't.

I keep going back to how all of that was handled. Yes, he very well could be dead. But, right now, my gut is still screaming we don't know even half the story and I'm not ready to give up.

by Guest Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:30 pm

Ohhhh Im getting so sick and tired of hearing about all of that DRUG CRAP. When will they let it go. Mad

Its breaking my heart. Like someone else on here said, Michael was SO against drugs, he has 3 beautiful children to take care of. NOWAY he would NEVER do that.
Michael was SO into beeing healthy all his life, and he was affraid og needles, so the BS with the Doctor injecting him, I just not see that.

Yes Michael was skinny, he always was dammit, but he was deffently NOT frail and sick looking.

@ Another part of me. Who is it that you want to take a break from here?? I find it sweet that you are so concerned.

Im SO pissed.

Sorry for swearing. I just had to get that off my chest.

Stupid media and tabloids. Have they not got anything better to do, than trashing this Angel??

by Another.Part.Of.Me Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:37 pm

MyBelovedMJ wrote:Ohhhh Im getting so sick and tired of hearing about all of that DRUG CRAP. When will they let it go.

Its breaking my heart. Like someone else on here said, Michael was SO against drugs, he has 3 beautiful children to take care of. NOWAY he would NEVER do that.
Michael was SO into beeing healthy all his life, and he was affraid og needles, so the BS with the Doctor injecting him, I just not see that.

Yes Michael was skinny, he always was dammit, but he was deffently NOT frail and sick looking.

@ Another part of me. Who is it that you want to take a break from here?? I find it sweet that you are so concerned.

Im SO pissed.

Sorry for swearing. I just had to get that off my chest.

Stupid media and tabloids. Have they not got anything better to do, than trashing this Angel??

Sorry babes, I was talking to Mary, The Jacksonologist. I know all to well the dangers of burning out so I just wanted to recommend a break, time to take care of herself, and not think about this for a while, get some RnR because I'm worried about how this 'email' from some girl has affected her.
I don't personally believe in the email but I can see how it would affect people.

How are you feeling btw MyBelovedMJ? I hear you are starting to feel a bit better and getting your grief sickness under control somewhat. Just take it one day at a time and don't forget to take time out and focus on yourself a bit too, take a break from reading all this media/news crap and don't forget to look after yourself.

by Guest Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:51 pm

Thanks hon. Im starting to feel a bit better, that is right. My body is still damaged somehow, and I still feel sick to my stomack, but im not throwing up as much anymore. I did it once yeasterday, And I havent done it today.

I desided to try to eat a little bit. It took me a long time, but i did it. I ate some crackers.

My body is really marked by this, I can feel it. I know I have to take care of myself, and im not doing that tese days. Im not getting out that much, im in here all day, hopeing for some light in all of this.

I miss Michael so much everyday. I keep thinking of him. Sad

Its still hard on my, It always will be.

I will never stop griveing about Michael, mabye someday I will find a way to learn to live with it, if he is gone. Sad

(wich I dont even wanna think about) but im never gonna accept it.

Ive tryed to let him go, but I cant, something in my heart is stopping me, and im affraid that I will "loose" him for good, if i let him go.

Thanks for asking.

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:02 pm

Im not offended at all. I do feel burned out. BUT....I dont understand why this email requires me to take a break. LOL
I appreciate your kindness.
I know the propofol is hard to coe by, but Mj knew alot of people and money talks.

I dont quite buy the propofol thin gyet either and I know MJ was against drugs..but Im just sayin that in my experience, it seems to ME that he had an issue with drugs. Maybe not all day everyday, but there were drugs being taken. Perscription drugs..not street drugs.

@mybelovedmj.....sorry I upset you. I didnt mean to. But you do realise that Michael WAS in rehab at one point right?

by Another.Part.Of.Me Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:09 pm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:Im not offended at all. I do feel burned out. BUT....I dont understand why this email requires me to take a break. LOL
I appreciate your kindness.
I know the propofol is hard to coe by, but Mj knew alot of people and money talks.

I dont quite buy the propofol thin gyet either and I know MJ was against drugs..but Im just sayin that in my experience, it seems to ME that he had an issue with drugs. Maybe not all day everyday, but there were drugs being taken. Perscription drugs..not street drugs.

@mybelovedmj.....sorry I upset you. I didnt mean to. But you do realise that Michael WAS in rehab at one point right?

My bad, I thought you said that this Karen chick's email had convinced you that Michael was dead and it devastated you? Oops, I may have mis-read your posts lol
I thought this was sort of your last straw so I figured you were burning out and thought you needed a break from it all.

Sorry if I got it wrong hun

by Guest Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:20 pm

I know he was. Think it was in 95. But I dont believe it to the situation here

by annieisnotokey Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:42 pm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:There are addicts who are addicted to anestheatics. But the police are going to find out. They will track down every name MJ used to get his drugs and they will find out how long he has been using them....I dont think he was a herion cocaine person but you never know. You really never know.
The truth is gonna h urt some people Im afraid. I think he hid it very well, but at some points on TV and such, you can tell he was messed up. Im sorry people but thats what I think.

I just want to add my 2 cents about Propofol/Diprivan addiction, because I'm doing a lot of research on it and I want to clarify this bit.

It is true that there are addicts who are addicted to anesthetics. The majority of them belong to the medical field, for obvious reasons.

There is a specific scientific survey/study published about addiction to propofol.
http://www.anesthesia-analgesia.org/cgi/reprint/105/4/1066.pdf

This study is very clear: propofol addiction only presents itself with subanesthetic doses. That is, enough to give you a buzz, but not enough to knock you out.

If MJ was using propofol as it was portrayed by the media, that is to be knocked out for hours, it means the substance was used in anesthetic dosages and that is not considered to have abuse/addiction potential.

In conclusion, even if I can't tell you if MJ was addicted to certain painkillers or not, I can ask you to PLEASE not believe he was addicted to Propofol/Diprivan the way is depicted by the media, because it is simply not true. It doesn't happen. End of story.

by dunno_it Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:48 pm

Hmmm, now that I'm thinking Karen might've been so close to him...well something seems wrong. Why would she go to the forum and share her e-mail? I mean, I don't think I would do that, if I were MJ's friend...I'd rather share with other friends of mine or friends of MJ's, I don't know... If she was so willing to do that, maybe this is fake and someone is trying to play with people's feelings?...just a thought...Guys, I'm begging you, do not loose hope. Things are too inconsistent for him to be dead...

by Another.Part.Of.Me Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:50 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:
THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:There are addicts who are addicted to anestheatics. But the police are going to find out. They will track down every name MJ used to get his drugs and they will find out how long he has been using them....I dont think he was a herion cocaine person but you never know. You really never know.
The truth is gonna h urt some people Im afraid. I think he hid it very well, but at some points on TV and such, you can tell he was messed up. Im sorry people but thats what I think.

I just want to add my 2 cents about Propofol/Diprivan addiction, because I'm doing a lot of research on it and I want to clarify this bit.

It is true that there are addicts who are addicted to anesthetics. The majority of them belong to the medical field, for obvious reasons.

There is a specific scientific survey/study published about addiction to propofol.
http://www.anesthesia-analgesia.org/cgi/reprint/105/4/1066.pdf

This study is very clear: propofol addiction only presents itself with subanesthetic doses. That is, enough to give you a buzz, but not enough to knock you out.

If MJ was using propofol as it was portrayed by the media, that is to be knocked out for hours, it means the substance was used in anesthetic dosages and that is not considered to have abuse/addiction potential.

In conclusion, even if I can't tell you if MJ was addicted to certain painkillers or not, I can ask you to PLEASE not believe he was addicted to Propofol/Diprivan the way is depicted by the media, because it is simply not true. It doesn't happen. End of story.

Thanks Annie, this backs up everything that I have been thinking since Day 1. I knew it couldn't be true because the dosage they said Michael was taking (which I still think is BS btw) would have knocked him out - how do you get addicted on being knocked when you aren't conscious to enjoy whatever thrill you get out of it. It just never made sense to me.

by jpresley Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:50 pm

dunno_it wrote:Hmmm, now that I'm thinking Karen might've been so close to him...well something seems wrong. Why would she go to the forum and share her e-mail? I mean, I don't think I would do that, if I were MJ's friend...I'd rather share with other friends of mine or friends of MJ's, I don't know... If she was so willing to do that, maybe this is fake and someone is trying to play with people's feelings?...just a thought...Guys, I'm begging you, do not loose hope. Things are too inconsistent for him to be dead...

I am not losing hope - not by a long shot. Trust nothing, research everything!

by jpresley Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:52 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
annieisnotokey wrote:
THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:There are addicts who are addicted to anestheatics. But the police are going to find out. They will track down every name MJ used to get his drugs and they will find out how long he has been using them....I dont think he was a herion cocaine person but you never know. You really never know.
The truth is gonna h urt some people Im afraid. I think he hid it very well, but at some points on TV and such, you can tell he was messed up. Im sorry people but thats what I think.

I just want to add my 2 cents about Propofol/Diprivan addiction, because I'm doing a lot of research on it and I want to clarify this bit.

It is true that there are addicts who are addicted to anesthetics. The majority of them belong to the medical field, for obvious reasons.

There is a specific scientific survey/study published about addiction to propofol.
http://www.anesthesia-analgesia.org/cgi/reprint/105/4/1066.pdf

This study is very clear: propofol addiction only presents itself with subanesthetic doses. That is, enough to give you a buzz, but not enough to knock you out.

If MJ was using propofol as it was portrayed by the media, that is to be knocked out for hours, it means the substance was used in anesthetic dosages and that is not considered to have abuse/addiction potential.

In conclusion, even if I can't tell you if MJ was addicted to certain painkillers or not, I can ask you to PLEASE not believe he was addicted to Propofol/Diprivan the way is depicted by the media, because it is simply not true. It doesn't happen. End of story.
Thanks Annie, this backs up everything that I have been thinking since Day 1. I knew it couldn't be true because the dosage they said Michael was taking (which I still think is BS btw) would have knocked him out - how do you get addicted on being knocked when you aren't conscious to enjoy whatever thrill you get out of it. It just never made sense to me.

So today, we have debunked the propofol bullshit. Now, tell me again, why hasn't the media attacked this?

by Another.Part.Of.Me Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:57 pm

[quote="jpresley"]

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
annieisnotokey wrote:
THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
In conclusion, even if I can't tell you if MJ was addicted to certain painkillers or not, I can ask you to PLEASE not believe he was addicted to Propofol/Diprivan the way is depicted by the media, because it is simply not true. It doesn't happen. End of story.
Thanks Annie, this backs up everything that I have been thinking since Day 1. I knew it couldn't be true because the dosage they said Michael was taking (which I still think is BS btw) would have knocked him out - how do you get addicted on being knocked when you aren't conscious to enjoy whatever thrill you get out of it. It just never made sense to me.

So today, we have debunked the propofol bullshit. Now, tell me again, why hasn't the media attacked this?

J - You can't expect lifeforms of limited intelligence like the media to be as smart as we are in here. They simply wouldn't be able to cope with real intelligent thought flowing through their tiny little brains.
You can't fault them for it, it's not their fault they don't have 2 functioning brain cells to rub together.

YES!!! Propofol is debunked! *happy dance*
Next - we're on a roll here!

by Human_nature Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:01 pm

dunno_it wrote:Hmmm, now that I'm thinking Karen might've been so close to him...well something seems wrong. Why would she go to the forum and share her e-mail? I mean, I don't think I would do that, if I were MJ's friend...I'd rather share with other friends of mine or friends of MJ's, I don't know... If she was so willing to do that, maybe this is fake and someone is trying to play with people's feelings?...just a thought...Guys, I'm begging you, do not loose hope. Things are too inconsistent for him to be dead...

I don't think Karen are on that forum and shared her email. The other person just created the whole thing.
My opinion, no need to agree Wink

by dunno_it Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:08 pm

Still, the other person claims to be MJ's follower as well... so I agree the whole thing might have been made up Surprised

by Ivonne Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:09 pm

I'm so sad pale

I do not know what I have to say.

Can it really be that so many people have seen that he is ill and no one has helped him ?????? Crying or Very sad

by annieisnotokey Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:22 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
You can't expect lifeforms of limited intelligence like the media to be as smart as we are in here. They simply wouldn't be able to cope with real intelligent thought flowing through their tiny little brains.
You can't fault them for it, it's not their fault they don't have 2 functioning brain cells to rub together.

Totally true.

And I also have to add that a made up scandal sells a lot more $$$$ than the boring truth.

What headline would sell more????
"Wacko Jacko high on drugs!!!" or "Scientific studies claims anesthetic doses of propofol don't have abuse potential"

I rest my case. Wink

by Guest Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:28 pm

Just because Its in print, dosent mean its the gospel.

Just like mike would have put it

by Guest Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:39 pm

This was posted 3 weeks before he died - to other followers on a German forum to try and intervene and try to get his staff to help him. They tried through his staff, they have followed him for 12 years and more, and been through all the court appearances with him, and Michael invited them to the rehearsald for This Is It, and Michael knew them personally. These will more than likely be the followers who phoned Joe Jackson and Frank Dileo. I truly don't think he is alive after reading this:

Sad email from a fan who met with MJ before he died!

Topic: only for "faithful followers", please do not post in forums

From Marika:
Dear MJ closest fans,

this is an important message. Some of you will hate it. Others will begin to reflect.

As you might know, I and Moon had a few days ago the good fortune to the set of Michael's shooting has been invited to be.
Michael has a white trouser worn. Very close. And a white shirt. Very close.
As you all know, since Michael was the court really thin. We talked all together and we always said: It is frightening thin.
Some of us told him that he should eat.

But Moon and what I saw last week, has shocked us. He is not frighteningly thin. He is a skeleton. I have seen his back and wanted me over. I've never felt such a shock. And I already knew that he was thin. But his clothes ... it was as if he were naked. I was ashamed. I could not watch him.

I walked away from the set. And what I told the fans?
"Oh God, he is so thin!" And what I said then?
"Oh, it was great! Yeah, I saw Michael on the set! Yeah!"

I had the same reaction that I had since the trial. To say that he was thin and then to talk about how great it was. He is now more than thin. He is a skeleton.

But I can not do anything, so let us talk about something else! Moreover, how lucky I was to meet him.

But to be honest, I feel I since that day, strange. Like a guilty feeling. As if someone would tell me: Now you know it, now you're involved.

I feel that I've captured the truth. Exceptionally, he had no coat at once, not a big shirt, no pants wide. Exceptionally, I saw the reality of his situation. Now I can no longer say "He is thin." I must say: It will perhaps die.
I think I already knew, but would not accept.

I honestly think that I am exactly like each of you r was. We were worried for 5 minutes, but then, that the only thing we can think is: I want to see Michael. I want to get a hug. I want 'I love you' say ... I think to myself and to my happiness.

But I have started to ask myself: Michael rehearses every day, he is surrounded by 200 people, with him every day work. But who are these people?
The dancers live their dream, Kenny Ortega, the best show of all its produce Michaels security people, Michael Bush .. and Karen Faye [Michaels makeup-wife].
No family, no friends, nobody.

Karen is the only one who feels love for Michael. So I emailte her. I wanted to know whether the people are blind or do nothing?

Here is her reply:
Quote:
Hi Marika,

i know.
I am doing everything humanly possible ... your heart and I are on the right spots.
Please consider this home to him.
Love,
Karen
Shanti, Shanti, Shanti

Photo Karen Faye & Michael:

When I read, I knew that I was right.
It is doing something. But what can they do?
And to keep him home? How can this help?

As we all know, Michael listens to no one. He does whatever he wants.
And if you a little about anorexia [anorexia] know, then you know that if you invite to dinner, it is completely useless.

Karen likes it "private" invite to dinner. He will not do it.
People in his situation need a shock to get something to do

That is my question to you all:

We all love Michael very much. We all want to see his shows. We all remember how we in the first row will be. And how we get more tickets.
Moreover, as we see it more times than the other fans will take. Moreover, a photo with him to get. Moreover, it does not hurt.

How do you do all these things, when he fainted on stage during the third concerto, and if his heart on the way to the hospital stops?

How will you feel when you talk with other fans and say: We knew that he was too thin, about 50 shows to do. We knew that he had stopped to eat during the trial that he and 10 hours per day for us rehearsed.

How will you feel when you'll say: People have said that it would be good, but they have lied. We have seen that he was a skeleton.
Will you feel guilty? Will you be able, in the night to sleep and to remember that you knew it and had done nothing?

Some of you will say:

"He has but doctors around him."
"They would not dance it, if he is not healthy."
"I want to do nothing, it would hurt him."

Well, let me tell you the following:

If it doctors around him would have his weight increased.
Nobody has Lou Ferrigno [Hulk] in the samples or in Michael's house seen.
On the set, I have people around to Michael observed. Everyone has shunned Michael, hingeschaut elsewhere. They have all worked on their video.
Too much money is at stake. You do not want to be dismissed because you have Michael Jackson said that he should eat.
You all know Michael's staff, will never run the risk of losing their job. Michael does not love you so much.

And to all those who were in Carolwood [Michaels House], you know all that Michael is there totally alone.

If you receive this email, it means you are a part of the MJ fans are who know that Michael is not Peter Pan, Michael is not 100% perfect, and today we are the only remaining, Michael's enough love for a change.

We have all seen Michael in his view the worst condition, and we see it all still alive.
But think again about 5 minutes, that this skeleton, which has become Michael, 2 hours each evening for 3 months to occur.
Will you bring the heart?

Models die of anorexia at 18, because her heart stops. And they run only on the model pier around.

Michael is 51 [50]. He dances 10 hours per day. And every evening, 2 hours for 3 months dancing.
Do you think that he durchhält?

Now that you know that you will do something or you'll get with other fans argue about the best meetings with him to get?

Please let us about the best way to think, to understand him to leave. He must of us are shocked. We need him to be a reaction force.
And unfortunately we have to hurt his feelings somehow.
But if he stays alive, it is not worth it?

So let us all together to discuss a way to find him to save. I do not believe that "rescue" very exaggerated.
I'm sorry if I do not listen to Karen, but I do not think I tell a secret.
I know some of you who are throwing stones after me. It is I do not care if Michael only eats again.

Marika
And here a defense of the friend of Marika - which is also in contact with Michael was.

Quote:
The sad truth!

To all those who wonder why this was kept private, lest again through this thread and see the pitiful condemn ennen name in it.

This is usually the treatment, the forums are the "true followers" give ... and your asking you, why we keep things for us, simply because your accusations against us important that we tell a lie, attention seeking us too much about his private life care .. We can do it anyone of you ever right, so we are not about to ask you or in the entertainment involved.

But now someone has this e-mail received by a third party (wonder if all the subsequent emails will follow soon), exactly what we expected, is now arrived (hence the first line in which we asked, nothing about the forum to post).

The email is real and Marika is a really nice and caring fan, on which Michael was delighted that they have to for all these years. Therefore, anyone who thinks differently about it differently and says, totally wrong. And many were far too common, without even knowing what for heaven's sake, they talked about.

Marika I want to defend as a friend, as I wished that someone that would do for me, and also as a friend who wants to tell the truth.

THE FACT IS THAT MICHAEL WAS MUCH TO THIN IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS OF HIS LIFE, especially in the last few weeks. THIS IS A FACT. ACCEPT IT OR NOT.

Mir is the first struck in October, when I MUCH TIME spent with Michael had, and I told him. But I also knew that he had already started to prepare for the tour, hence I had expected of him, that he is very conscious of its weight, and I was not particularly worried, but still worried.

I'm the girl in the photo with Michael from the end of May, because of its all because of his curls are freaky.

Photo:

LET ME TELL THE TRUTH, you can not very well see how he really thin in this photo (which is a little more than 3 weeks in advance was made before he died) because he is covered, but when I predict Michael in the dance studio That day arrived, I was sad and frightens how thin he was.

He had another uppers and we hugged us twice, and I felt that he had NOTHING on it. I felt like his hip was tiny, I felt his ribs against mine, his shoulder bone pushed against his uppers, I was honestly shocked how thin it was compared to the last time I saw him and was worried.

Michael I have often seen in my life and I know what is acceptable. I do not like it to say, it's sad, but it is the truth that he was frighteningly thin. It was difficult for me to look him off, knowing full well from my belly feeling that something went wrong auswegslos.

It is also true (though Randy Phillps / AEG is the next day has denied) that Michael with us inside the dance studio has talked about what's going on ... He was very sincere in what he said, but also very depressed and sad, he felt the pressure, literally said that he ate no more, was in the night went to sleep in the belief it would be 10 concerts and is awoken with 50 concerts, said that the break times between the concerts were not long enough ... He said many things, but it is not necessary to repeat everything.

What I am saying is that we went to the dance studio and a sense of despair he felt. Never in all the 12 and more years in which we followed him, I have him in such a state is experiencing. Everyone in the media, who said that Michael was good, was in great constitution and good things, not telling the whole truth.

Yes, sometimes he was a good thing, maybe someone has seen something he ate, yes, he danced, he has a lot of rehearsals ... but I do not believe for one minute that it's totally Michael went well because I am with my own eyes saw and heard his own mouth that he was not completely well.

To all who are on the tour sample images, and say that he looks good ... I'm sorry, but you're just blind or is so wrong that it hurts. He is thin on the images of the samples - admittedly can [which] is not so good to see how if one person sees, and the clothes that he wears, is also hidden.

But you could still easily see that he is too thin. You will probably also say that he looks good in the pictures of him as he visited the doctor's office ... but again, the jacket covered it well again.

He really was incredibly thin, and I'm not someone who sowas dramatized. I know he was always dünnleibig and his weight fluctuated, but in the last weeks of his life, he had a normal / healthy weight.

If you still add the idea that he had any kind of medication, whether for pain or to help him sleep, it was a lethal combination, which I'm convinced.

Nobody ever will I convince them that its weight no role to play in his death. He ate not (enough), rehearsed many, many hours a day, and combined with the medication, I'm not too surprised that he has left us ... if one is very thin and malnourished, the body can not handle the stress, pressure, the drugs (as he might, if he would have a healthier weight).

Marika met him after two weeks in the studio again, and his weight has become even less ... it has in an email to let us write and we have finally decided that we must address.

To all who say, why we did nothing on the other hand, had undertaken: WE HAVE TRIED IT. WE TRY IT. God, we have tried ... but it was too little and too late.

You can not imagine our pain, which we discussed a week before his death. How we achieve it, what to do, as we wish, without injuring him, we HAVE TO HEAD U.S. Zerbrochen what to do.

In the last two weeks before he died, he was more of us away by his security people, things were strange, but this is too much to make it here in detail, but we felt that something is wrong. And we were so, so, so, so sadly true. I never wanted to be in my life as well lie.

Michael We have written letters in which we openly have expressed our concerns, but just out of love wrapped, and they were handed over to him on arrival as to what his last test tour would be of Talitha - a Fänin that Michael loved and very with him a lot of time in the last ten years spent, especially in the last two years (but many of you have they done in the forums, without them ever knowing).

Michael has tried it from the Staples Center to discuss the letters to reen, but the connection broke and the entertainment was never held. Michaels said security officers, said they would back the next morning to try.

When I returned to the funeral, I was of Michael's personal assistant in Los Angeles said that after the letters Michael had asked in the night when he came to the Tour after samples came home. He brought the letter to Michael in his bedroom.

We have him in the letters formally angefleht to keep well, and if not for himself, then for his children and family and everyone who loves him so dearly, that we fear for his life, that it was all around us to have is more important than any concert could ever be ... he died 12 hours later and it was the worst thing could happen ...

I can not even really think about it too much to understand them. It is a brutal joke that God has imposed on us. I do not understand how it was allowed to happen. The only consolation I have is to know that he read our letters to him are overwhelmed with love just before he died. There should be no farewell, but it was practically our farewell of him. I feel sad that we do not achieve that we have others around him could not reach, that the people around him seem to not care enough to him, it's all too much and too complicated ... and destructive.
I have to defend Karens say that they had tried to help. I will not say more, in order to protect their privacy, but it is too sharp, what some here say.

So if you have a little compassion would aufhörtet and so hard-hearted to be due to email and Marika opposite, then I am sure would be appreciated!

Incidentally, some of you misunderstand the part where it says it cares not whether he will ever eat again ... French is their mother tongue and in the post were missing some punctuation, and you said only that they do not care if their people were angry because of the email, because if he would never eat more food, that would be everything that would include [the email].

I'm sure there will be plenty of people who read this now and start to tackle me also, but it will no longer me, because I just want to tell the truth, defend my girlfriend wants to have a clear conscience and wants to say what I think Michael would have liked in any case said.

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