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Post by Ivonne on Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:23 am

What do you think about it?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2591228/Frail-sick-Jackson-was-fed-by-spoon-says-singers-make-up-artist.html


A
few days ago I read here in the forum on the contribution of the email
history with Karen Faye. And now this report ...... Random?

Apologies my English, I hope you understand what I mean.

All have seen how ill he is and no one has helped? Because he wanted no
help? I think not. The people were afraid for their jobs. I do not
think that Karen Faye had to be afraid.

Why is no one before
his death with this message has gone to the press. You can play with
the press, even turn around. I want to say that the press in this case
had worked for MJ, not against him. Then the world would know that the
concerts will be carried out, although he could not physically do it.

Was all the people the money more important than his health. Were there
not 1 person who is not interested in the money and MJ was more
important.

Why is now reported. And a few days ago I read the first time something of this e-mail from Karen and the fan

Only I think that's strange?

In April, he was healthy. 2 months later, seriously ill? This major change will not have seen, within 2 months?

The stress of the concerts has not only 2 months before his death started.

I find this all very strange.

These are pictures of MJ this year.

Only I see the big differences in his appearance?

Do I need glasses? Laughing


I do not mean the hair, smooth hair and curly hair.

I mean the face.

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Post by Smelly on Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:37 am

Didn't Michael always wear his headset on the right side?
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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:38 am

Uh oh, Karen again. This article was posted in another thread that got a liiiiiiiittle bit heated. Suspect
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Post by Ivonne on Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:47 am

The article I have previously only read (SUN). I'm not just about the article in the SUN.

I will also not talking about this e-mail.

@Smelly
You're right.

But apparently I need glasses Very Happy
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Post by Smelly on Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:51 am

Lol Ivonne
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Post by Ivonne on Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:55 am

I did not care the Headset. That I overlooked Embarassed Thx@ Smelly Shocked Cool

I think the differences in his appearance in these photos are great MASSIV


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Post by Human_nature on Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:03 am

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Post by Ivonne on Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:14 am

Ivonne wrote:I did not care the Headset. That I overlooked Embarassed Thx@ Smelly Shocked Cool

I think the differences in his appearance in these photos are great MASSIV







Excuse me. As I said my English is poor. That was the first
word to me in response ....
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Post by Human_nature on Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:52 am

Michael always been thin, different angles for pictures, lights ect...
You can watch some picture from the same day and in some he'll look thinner on other..older ...it's all about angles, lights , really...IMO study
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Post by ilprincipe on Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:56 am

To Ivonne: Your posted pics are leading again to the question:
Was o2 guy really MJ? I read so much about it, and still say no.
So a comparison makes no sense.

Sun is crap. That is widely known.
I read on some other forums sth. about the facebook conversation
of Karen Faye...
and so I wonder, if she really has written sth. like that,
what for?
I don`t have a facebook account, and I don`t wanna get one,
so I cannot watch her site...
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Post by EarthAngel90 on Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:57 am

If Michael was sick - why would he be doing Rehearsals? Come on , that Man wasn't sick in the first place .. he would need Food For Energy ... Can't go a day without something to process down ... That is a lie to me big time.
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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:28 am

I dont blelieve that BS. Period!!!
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Post by mjfan on Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:48 am

Yes, Michael wore his headset on the other side. Good catch!

Also... I won't believe Karen Faye actually said this unless I see video of her actually saying it.

If I see video of KAREN FAYE saying something like this, I'm going to say HOAX HOAX HOAX. Because there is no way in hell Karen Faye would ever come out and say anything like this. For her to do so screams to me that MJ is alive and the Jackson camp is either overplaying their hand, or... they want us to figure this out faster.
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Post by Smelly on Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:56 am

Yeah I think your right mjfan
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Post by MJSmile4Us on Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:36 am

if the article is true (although I highly doubt it) then Kenny Ortega , randy Philips and the rest of the O2 tour crew who said that Michael was as heathy as anyone could ever be and that he was ecstatic at the thought of the concerts should get a good kick in their heads for lying! how could anyone who was so low on energy that he had to be 'spoon-fed' be able to pull off 50 shows let alone one and I can't believe that he would have been excited about the tour at such a state either scratch
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Post by SmoothCriminal on Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:04 am

EarthAngel90 wrote:If Michael was sick - why would he be doing Rehearsals? Come on , that Man wasn't sick in the first place .. he would need Food For Energy ... Can't go a day without something to process down ... That is a lie to me big time.

I agree he wouldnt have the energy to dance without any energy in him, he would need food and water to get through rehersals and working out, so its just another BS story about some frail old man
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:06 am

Ive herard rumors that if ANYONE commented to MJ or if his employees talked about his health, then they would be fired. Just a rumor though so who knows.
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Post by mjthelegendlives on Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:21 am

something that caught my eye in that article was that Karen was paid to make Michael look good in his coffin...hmm so why they didnt show him at the memorial...I thought it was because he wasnt looking so good?
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:08 am

Yea? His faced all bruised and stuff?

Well its because he wasnt IN THE COFFIN!!
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Post by Smelly on Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:11 am

Bwahahahahaha, couldn't have said it better myself!!
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Post by MJbeliever on Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:24 am

yeah sure....this is the same tabloid that invented an interview with the nanny Grace just after his 'death'....which later on , she said that interview never took place and she never said such things ( such as...she used to pump his stomach after consuming all the drugs Neutral , first and foremost , she doesn't even know how to do that) .
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Post by jpresley on Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:37 am

Smelly wrote:Didn't Michael always wear his headset on the right side?

Yes, he does. I viewed a ton of performance video and I have never seen him wear the headset on the left.
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Post by jpresley on Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:43 am

mjfan wrote:Yes, Michael wore his headset on the other side. Good catch!

Also... I won't believe Karen Faye actually said this unless I see video of her actually saying it.

If I see video of KAREN FAYE saying something like this, I'm going to say HOAX HOAX HOAX. Because there is no way in hell Karen Faye would ever come out and say anything like this. For her to do so screams to me that MJ is alive and the Jackson camp is either overplaying their hand, or... they want us to figure this out faster.

I completely agree. I was thinking the same thing last week when she started posting stuff on her FB about him being so weak and her not being able to help him, blah, blah, blah. She's been his friend for how many years and she can't nut up and scream it to the world BEFORE his death? She only does it afterward? And, now the whole feeding w/ a spoon bit is just so over the top. WTHever.
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Post by Smelly on Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:44 am

jpresley wrote:
Smelly wrote:Didn't Michael always wear his headset on the right side?

Yes, he does. I viewed a ton of performance video and I have never seen him wear the headset on the left.

I'm thinking it's weird that for all his other performances he would wear it on his right so why change it for that rehersal? Hmmmmmm
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Post by jpresley on Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:49 am

Smelly wrote:
jpresley wrote:
Smelly wrote:Didn't Michael always wear his headset on the right side?

Yes, he does. I viewed a ton of performance video and I have never seen him wear the headset on the left.

I'm thinking it's weird that for all his other performances he would wear it on his right so why change it for that rehersal? Hmmmmmm

My thoughts exactly! He's been perfoming w/ a headset on the right side for how many years and just now changes it to the left? I don't think we're reading too much into that. I think it's another clue that only the fans will get.
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Post by kdkennedy74 on Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:50 am

I just searched facebook and yes Karen did say that Kenney Ortega had to cut up the chicken and feed Michael. The story is not entirely false...she did not say that he had to spoon feed him. What is happening is Karen is accepting "friends" and they can ask questions and she answers them. It is odd to me that suddenly she is speaking very loudly about Michael's "issues" and has stated that she knows the media is watching her facebook and encourages TMZ to keep reading...hmmm
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Post by Sweet1 on Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:13 am

IMO I do believe that Kenny Ortega cut up MJ's chicken for him. Remember! MJ was setting up the stage for his death. He had to play the role of being a sickly, frail, weak individual that didn't have the capablity to cut his own chicken. Keep in mind! This is the same person that was abusing prescription drugs too. Let's not forget this is also the same person that looked like a man 1/2 his age that danced his heart out for the The This Is It rehearsals June 23rd. Who mysteriously died two days later, but wait! It was the Diprovan administered by his shady doctor that killed him. It's all smoke and mirrors. If MJ had all of these issues he should have been dead long before June 2009. All I know is that this all gets crazier by the minute. Keep the Faith!
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Post by Rach on Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:17 am

Sweet1 wrote:IMO I do believe that Kenny Ortega cut up MJ's chicken for him. Remember! MJ was setting up the stage for his death. He had to play the role of being a sickly, frail, weak individual that didn't have the capablity to cut his own chicken. Keep in mind! This is the same person that was abusing prescription drugs too. Let's not forget this is also the same person that looked like a man 1/2 his age that danced his heart out for the The This Is It rehearsals June 23rd. Who mysteriously died two days later, but wait! It was the Diprovan administered by his shady doctor that killed him. It's all smoke and mirrors. If MJ had all of these issues he should have been dead long before June 2009. All I know is that this all gets crazier by the minute. Keep the Faith!

Fantastic points! It only adds to the fire that Michael was indeed a drug abuser. I said in another thread that if Michael was that ill and wouldn't admit himself to a hospital then someone else should have taken it upon themselves to do so for him but no-one stepped up. Why? Because it's all fake and plays in with the hoax maybe.
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:23 am

kdkennedy74 wrote:I just searched facebook and yes Karen did say that Kenney Ortega had to cut up the chicken and feed Michael. The story is not entirely false...she did not say that he had to spoon feed him. What is happening is Karen is accepting "friends" and they can ask questions and she answers them. It is odd to me that suddenly she is speaking very loudly about Michael's "issues" and has stated that she knows the media is watching her facebook and encourages TMZ to keep reading...hmmm


Why I wonder?
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Post by Sweet1 on Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:28 am

Thanks Rachel,
It just really gets under my skin at times. I mean honestly some of us do have intellect to not fall for everything we read or see in the media. Keep the Faith!
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Post by carpenoctem on Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:59 am

The only way i could imagine MJ being spoonfed is when Karen put his make up and stuff on him for his disguise at the funeral. They probaly cut up his food and spoonfed him so the make up doesn't get ruined. Just like in ghosts lol!
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Post by mjfan on Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:15 pm

jpresley wrote:
Smelly wrote:
jpresley wrote:
Smelly wrote:Didn't Michael always wear his headset on the right side?

Yes, he does. I viewed a ton of performance video and I have never seen him wear the headset on the left.

I'm thinking it's weird that for all his other performances he would wear it on his right so why change it for that rehersal? Hmmmmmm

My thoughts exactly! He's been perfoming w/ a headset on the right side for how many years and just now changes it to the left? I don't think we're reading too much into that. I think it's another clue that only the fans will get.

I'm trying to figure out what it means though. I mean I'm not sure I think the rehearsal guy is MJ. Maybe he is, but WHY is he changing the microphone to the other side? After all these years? That's so weird.
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Post by mjfan on Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:17 pm

kdkennedy74 wrote:I just searched facebook and yes Karen did say that Kenney Ortega had to cut up the chicken and feed Michael. The story is not entirely false...she did not say that he had to spoon feed him. What is happening is Karen is accepting "friends" and they can ask questions and she answers them. It is odd to me that suddenly she is speaking very loudly about Michael's "issues" and has stated that she knows the media is watching her facebook and encourages TMZ to keep reading...hmmm

Oh wow... this right here has me moving away from my 50/50 stance to thinking there is a higher percentage MJ is alive. I just don't see Karen starting this crap. And seriously if MJ is this weak and frail how is he DANCING on stage? I mean come ON? Do people understand what weak and frail means? There are people I know who are in what is considered to be normal average health and they CAN'T do all the dancing and rehearsing that MJ was doing. I mean WTF people?
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Post by mjfan on Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:20 pm

Sweet1 wrote:IMO I do believe that Kenny Ortega cut up MJ's chicken for him. Remember! MJ was setting up the stage for his death. He had to play the role of being a sickly, frail, weak individual that didn't have the capablity to cut his own chicken. Keep in mind! This is the same person that was abusing prescription drugs too. Let's not forget this is also the same person that looked like a man 1/2 his age that danced his heart out for the The This Is It rehearsals June 23rd. Who mysteriously died two days later, but wait! It was the Diprovan administered by his shady doctor that killed him. It's all smoke and mirrors. If MJ had all of these issues he should have been dead long before June 2009. All I know is that this all gets crazier by the minute. Keep the Faith!

And don't forget how the pepsi footage got leaked. MJ was the only one who had that footage. And the pepsi footage supposedly confirms the "drug story." Man.
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Post by phoenix on Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:23 pm

well this is actually kind of funny- she was hiered to make MJ look good in his coffin?? well, when she did a good job- so why didnt they open it on memorial?
i thought TMZ or wtf ever wrote his face was too destroyed- so how could make-up be any help here? bs
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Post by jpresley on Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:32 pm

mjfan wrote:
kdkennedy74 wrote:I just searched facebook and yes Karen did say that Kenney Ortega had to cut up the chicken and feed Michael. The story is not entirely false...she did not say that he had to spoon feed him. What is happening is Karen is accepting "friends" and they can ask questions and she answers them. It is odd to me that suddenly she is speaking very loudly about Michael's "issues" and has stated that she knows the media is watching her facebook and encourages TMZ to keep reading...hmmm

Oh wow... this right here has me moving away from my 50/50 stance to thinking there is a higher percentage MJ is alive. I just don't see Karen starting this crap. And seriously if MJ is this weak and frail how is he DANCING on stage? I mean come ON? Do people understand what weak and frail means? There are people I know who are in what is considered to be normal average health and they CAN'T do all the dancing and rehearsing that MJ was doing. I mean WTF people?

Exactly. I think all of this is simply fanning the hoax fires. Apparently, she couldn't give the alert when Michael was alive, but she can take her concerns to a public forum and essentially talk trash about him now. So, what prevented her from doing that say, I don't know, a month, two weeks, hell, even a couple of days before he 'died'?? So what if he hated her from that point on....if she saved his life wouldn't it be worth it? No, instead this person who has always been very loyal to Michael and who has been w/ him for 20 years just up and decides to air his dirty laundry on a social networking site? Please.
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Post by mjfan on Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:43 pm

phoenix wrote:well this is actually kind of funny- she was hiered to make MJ look good in his coffin?? well, when she did a good job- so why didnt they open it on memorial?
i thought TMZ or wtf ever wrote his face was too destroyed- so how could make-up be any help here? bs

And how does CPR damage your face anyway? Maybe they got it backwards, someone was blowing on his chest and pumping on his face. That would explain so much... why they couldn't save him, and why his face was bruised.
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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:46 pm

lmao @mjfan, i almost spit out my pop tart

"And how does CPR damage your face anyway? Maybe they got it backwards, someone was blowing on his chest and pumping on his face"

I'm sorry but that was funny
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:49 pm

Is that really Karen Faye? Why is she so willing to talk now when she stayed silent throughout Michael's life? The only time I really heard her speak was on the Bashir rebuttal documentary 'The Footage You Were Never Meant To See' - aside from that I haven't heard anything from her - and now she's answering questions on facebook?
Besides, wasn't she fired by Michael for a few years and only rehired recently?
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Post by hasil on Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:52 pm

"And how does CPR damage your face anyway? Maybe they got it backwards, someone was blowing on his chest and pumping on his face"

THAT IS REALLY FUNNY!!
MJFAN...HEHEHE

AS we all know...its ALL A BUNCHOF B.S. THAT the meia is begn fed..probly by mj camp..and keep the story going and crazy to confuse the masses...

its gonna start to fade away soon....the whole story...slowly slip away from medias eyes..but we will continue our searaches...not to out MJ..BUT to know he is safe and ok now.
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:52 pm

mjfan wrote:
phoenix wrote:well this is actually kind of funny- she was hiered to make MJ look good in his coffin?? well, when she did a good job- so why didnt they open it on memorial?
i thought TMZ or wtf ever wrote his face was too destroyed- so how could make-up be any help here? bs

And how does CPR damage your face anyway? Maybe they got it backwards, someone was blowing on his chest and pumping on his face. That would explain so much... why they couldn't save him, and why his face was bruised.
mjfan - THAT was priceless!
lol! lol! lol!
Btw, I don't believe any of that crap about the battered face. They said that he was perfectly normal 'like he was sleeping peacefully' at the pre-Memorial private viewing and his kids could see him and all that - and then a couple of hours later his face is so battered that it had to be closed casket.
Pshh... yeah right, it had to be closed casket because there was no body in it.
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Post by SmoothCriminal on Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:03 pm

Sweet1 wrote:Thanks Rachel,
It just really gets under my skin at times. I mean honestly some of us do have intellect to not fall for everything we read or see in the media. Keep the Faith!

Unfortunely there are alot of people out out there who believe the crap the tabloids feed us and dont bother to question the crap they read, its like there brainwashing people with there BS, If only there where more people like us who questions things Rolling Eyes
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Post by jpresley on Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:04 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:Is that really Karen Faye? Why is she so willing to talk now when she stayed silent throughout Michael's life? The only time I really heard her speak was on the Bashir rebuttal documentary 'The Footage You Were Never Meant To See' - aside from that I haven't heard anything from her - and now she's answering questions on facebook?
Besides, wasn't she fired by Michael for a few years and only rehired recently?


My understanding is that Michael fired her in 2005 at the behest of the nanny (huh?) and hired her back recently for the O2 concerts. Coincidence?
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Post by phoenix on Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:06 pm

jpresley wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:Is that really Karen Faye? Why is she so willing to talk now when she stayed silent throughout Michael's life? The only time I really heard her speak was on the Bashir rebuttal documentary 'The Footage You Were Never Meant To See' - aside from that I haven't heard anything from her - and now she's answering questions on facebook?
Besides, wasn't she fired by Michael for a few years and only rehired recently?


My understanding is that Michael fired her in 2005 at the behest of the nanny (huh?) and hired her back recently for the O2 concerts. Coincidence?

LOL Michael fired her because THE NANNY told him to do so? thats the craziest thing i heared today ..haha
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Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
mjfan wrote:
phoenix wrote:well this is actually kind of funny- she was hiered to make MJ look good in his coffin?? well, when she did a good job- so why didnt they open it on memorial?
i thought TMZ or wtf ever wrote his face was too destroyed- so how could make-up be any help here? bs

And how does CPR damage your face anyway? Maybe they got it backwards, someone was blowing on his chest and pumping on his face. That would explain so much... why they couldn't save him, and why his face was bruised.
mjfan - THAT was priceless!
lol! lol! lol!
Btw, I don't believe any of that crap about the battered face. They said that he was perfectly normal 'like he was sleeping peacefully' at the pre-Memorial private viewing and his kids could see him and all that - and then a couple of hours later his face is so battered that it had to be closed casket.
Pshh... yeah right, it had to be closed casket because there was no body in it.

But, duh, an open casket showing a peaceful MJ finally at rest might put a damper on all the conspiracy theories out there. hint, hint, bounce
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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:12 pm

Isn't spoon fed, and someone cutting food up and FEEDING it to that person (with a spoon, or fork) the exact same thing? haha anyway..


Maybe they got it backwards, someone was blowing on his chest and pumping on his face.

THAT IS THE FUNNIEST SHIT I HAVE HEARD ALL DAY! I just imagined someone performing CPR that way on someone else, and I swear, I spit out my soda. lmfao.TOO funny! lol!
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Post by SmoothCriminal on Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:22 pm

missdahmer wrote:Isn't spoon fed, and someone cutting food up and FEEDING it to that person (with a spoon, or fork) the exact same thing? haha anyway..


Maybe they got it backwards, someone was blowing on his chest and pumping on his face.

THAT IS THE FUNNIEST SHIT I HAVE HEARD ALL DAY! I just imagined someone performing CPR that way on someone else, and I swear, I spit out my soda. lmfao.TOO funny! lol!

Lmao i know its hilarious PUMPING ON HIS FACE WTF Hahahaha is that even possible Razz at least they keep us entertained
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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:23 pm

LMFAO just the thought of someone PUMPING ON SOMEONES FACE AND SOMEONE ELSE BLOWING ON THE CHEST HAHAHAHAHHAHA it is so fucking FUNNY!
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:24 pm

jpresley wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:Is that really Karen Faye? Why is she so willing to talk now when she stayed silent throughout Michael's life? The only time I really heard her speak was on the Bashir rebuttal documentary 'The Footage You Were Never Meant To See' - aside from that I haven't heard anything from her - and now she's answering questions on facebook?
Besides, wasn't she fired by Michael for a few years and only rehired recently?


My understanding is that Michael fired her in 2005 at the behest of the nanny (huh?) and hired her back recently for the O2 concerts. Coincidence?
Coincidence? Nah, no way.
He mysteriously rehired a lot of people for the O2 concerts who he had sacked previously. Kai Smith, John Branca.
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:29 pm

[quote="jpresley"][quote="Another.Part.Of.Me"]
mjfan wrote:
phoenix wrote:
Btw, I don't believe any of that crap about the battered face. They said that he was perfectly normal 'like he was sleeping peacefully' at the pre-Memorial private viewing and his kids could see him and all that - and then a couple of hours later his face is so battered that it had to be closed casket.
Pshh... yeah right, it had to be closed casket because there was no body in it.

But, duh, an open casket showing a peaceful MJ finally at rest might put a damper on all the conspiracy theories out there. hint, hint, bounce
Lol nah, it would just go the same way as Elvis - he actually had a casket picture and people still don't think he's dead. Besides, it still doesn't explain all the other inconsistencies.
It would have been helpful to have an open casket though for consistency.
Think about it, at the hospital Jermaine viewed the body and said that it just looked like Michael was sleeping peacefully, a couple of hours before the memorial his face was fine and perfect enough for some 70-90-odd people to stare at it then somehow, on the way to the Staples centre his face is suddenly too damaged that it can't be viewed by the general public yes his kids were able to see it and were fine. They certainly didn't look like they'd just seen their father's 'corpse' at the Memorial.
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