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Post by SmoothCriminal Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:30 pm

missdahmer wrote:LMFAO just the thought of someone PUMPING ON SOMEONES FACE AND SOMEONE ELSE BLOWING ON THE CHEST HAHAHAHAHHAHA it is so fucking FUNNY!

Yah that would be fucking funny u can just picture it in your head Razz lol!
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Post by mjfan Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:50 pm

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kdkennedy74 wrote:I just searched facebook and yes Karen did say that Kenney Ortega had to cut up the chicken and feed Michael. The story is not entirely false...she did not say that he had to spoon feed him. What is happening is Karen is accepting "friends" and they can ask questions and she answers them. It is odd to me that suddenly she is speaking very loudly about Michael's "issues" and has stated that she knows the media is watching her facebook and encourages TMZ to keep reading...hmmm

Oh wow... this right here has me moving away from my 50/50 stance to thinking there is a higher percentage MJ is alive. I just don't see Karen starting this crap. And seriously if MJ is this weak and frail how is he DANCING on stage? I mean come ON? Do people understand what weak and frail means? There are people I know who are in what is considered to be normal average health and they CAN'T do all the dancing and rehearsing that MJ was doing. I mean WTF people?

Exactly. I think all of this is simply fanning the hoax fires. Apparently, she couldn't give the alert when Michael was alive, but she can take her concerns to a public forum and essentially talk trash about him now. So, what prevented her from doing that say, I don't know, a month, two weeks, hell, even a couple of days before he 'died'?? So what if he hated her from that point on....if she saved his life wouldn't it be worth it? No, instead this person who has always been very loyal to Michael and who has been w/ him for 20 years just up and decides to air his dirty laundry on a social networking site? Please.


There are three possibilities:

1. The facebook page is a hoax: i.e. not really Karen Faye's
2. Karen Faye is a backstabber like many others. (If she was really concerned she should have said something before he died. And why keep her silence for weeks before speaking?)
3. It's all part of the hoax.

I find number 1 and 3 most likely. So if the facebook page is real, I think it's likely that this is a hoax.
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Post by mjfan Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:02 pm

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mjfan - THAT was priceless!
lol! lol! lol!
Btw, I don't believe any of that crap about the battered face. They said that he was perfectly normal 'like he was sleeping peacefully' at the pre-Memorial private viewing and his kids could see him and all that - and then a couple of hours later his face is so battered that it had to be closed casket.
Pshh... yeah right, it had to be closed casket because there was no body in it.

So maybe they beat him up after the private funeral but before the public memorial. Ya think? lol!
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:05 pm

mjfan wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
mjfan - THAT was priceless!
lol! lol! lol!
Btw, I don't believe any of that crap about the battered face. They said that he was perfectly normal 'like he was sleeping peacefully' at the pre-Memorial private viewing and his kids could see him and all that - and then a couple of hours later his face is so battered that it had to be closed casket.
Pshh... yeah right, it had to be closed casket because there was no body in it.

So maybe they beat him up after the private funeral but before the public memorial. Ya think? lol!
ROFL!! Somehow I can't see Katherine letting anyone whale on her baby while he's in a casket. lol!
Katherine is one psycho lady when she gets mad. I can see her kicking ass and taking names lol
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Post by mjfan Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:10 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
mjfan wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
mjfan - THAT was priceless!
lol! lol! lol!
Btw, I don't believe any of that crap about the battered face. They said that he was perfectly normal 'like he was sleeping peacefully' at the pre-Memorial private viewing and his kids could see him and all that - and then a couple of hours later his face is so battered that it had to be closed casket.
Pshh... yeah right, it had to be closed casket because there was no body in it.

So maybe they beat him up after the private funeral but before the public memorial. Ya think? lol!
ROFL!! Somehow I can't see Katherine letting anyone whale on her baby while he's in a casket. lol!
Katherine is one psycho lady when she gets mad. I can see her kicking ass and taking names lol


I bet MJ is like that... all sweetness and light until you push that final button. Then POW! He's Samuel L. Jackson in Pulp Fiction.
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:39 pm

[quote="mjfan"][quote="Another.Part.Of.Me"]
mjfan wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
ROFL!! Somehow I can't see Katherine letting anyone whale on her baby while he's in a casket. lol!
Katherine is one psycho lady when she gets mad. I can see her kicking ass and taking names lol

I bet MJ is like that... all sweetness and light until you push that final button. Then POW! He's Samuel L. Jackson in Pulp Fiction.
I would pay to see that lol!
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Post by SmoothCriminal Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:42 pm

mjfan wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
mjfan wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
mjfan - THAT was priceless!
lol! lol! lol!
Btw, I don't believe any of that crap about the battered face. They said that he was perfectly normal 'like he was sleeping peacefully' at the pre-Memorial private viewing and his kids could see him and all that - and then a couple of hours later his face is so battered that it had to be closed casket.
Pshh... yeah right, it had to be closed casket because there was no body in it.

So maybe they beat him up after the private funeral but before the public memorial. Ya think? lol!
ROFL!! Somehow I can't see Katherine letting anyone whale on her baby while he's in a casket. lol!
Katherine is one psycho lady when she gets mad. I can see her kicking ass and taking names lol


I bet MJ is like that... all sweetness and light until you push that final button. Then POW! He's Samuel L. Jackson in Pulp Fiction.

ROFL Razz lol!
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Post by Guest Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:47 pm

Yeah I do think Michael can be like that.. And no wonder, His human. Even the sweetest Angel, can have enough.

IMO, I dont think the children would have been that calm, if they saw their fathers "damaged face"

Since when do a face get "damaged" from CPR.??

As far as im aware, they did CPR on his chest, not mouth to mouth.
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Post by Guest Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:53 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
jpresley wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:Is that really Karen Faye? Why is she so willing to talk now when she stayed silent throughout Michael's life? The only time I really heard her speak was on the Bashir rebuttal documentary 'The Footage You Were Never Meant To See' - aside from that I haven't heard anything from her - and now she's answering questions on facebook?
Besides, wasn't she fired by Michael for a few years and only rehired recently?


My understanding is that Michael fired her in 2005 at the behest of the nanny (huh?) and hired her back recently for the O2 concerts. Coincidence?
Coincidence? Nah, no way.
He mysteriously rehired a lot of people for the O2 concerts who he had sacked previously. Kai Smith, John Branca.


I dont believe for 1 second that Michael would Fire karen, she was his makeup artits for MANY years. And he would deffently not fire her, cause the nanny told him too, that Nanny Grace, is one crazy lady, if you ask me.

Michael Fired her back in 2005 aswell..

Michael talks about raising his kids alone (and beeing without a nanny), in the interwiev Geraldo Did with him, after his Trial.

BTW He is to damn hot in that interwiev.



Grace is totally obsessed with Michael, and Inlove with him. But I dont believe the feeling was mutual
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Post by kdkennedy74 Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:22 pm

The facebook page is definitely hers. She has over 2,000 "friends" and today she was arguing with some journalist from the Sun about how this was not a public statement but something she was sharing with her friends who have been asking questions about Michael in the last week of his life (this is my summary of the argument and not a quote).
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Post by QUEEN Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:30 pm

phoenix wrote:well this is actually kind of funny- she was hiered to make MJ look good in his coffin?? well, when she did a good job- so why didnt they open it on memorial?
i thought TMZ or wtf ever wrote his face was too destroyed- so how could make-up be any help here? bs

EXACTLY !

If he looks good then open the coffin for everyone to see.
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Post by jpresley Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:31 pm

kdkennedy74 wrote:The facebook page is definitely hers. She has over 2,000 "friends" and today she was arguing with some journalist from the Sun about how this was not a public statement but something she was sharing with her friends who have been asking questions about Michael in the last week of his life (this is my summary of the argument and not a quote).

Oh, BLOW ME!! So, she can't share what happened "in the last week of his life" via a non-public forum?? WTF, that pisses me off SO BAD!!!! You're one of my closest friends for 20 years and I'm gonna air your dirty laundry AFTER YOU DIE (as opposed to actually helping you when you were alive). The whole thing makes me sick. Twisted Evil
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Post by QUEEN Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:33 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
mjfan wrote:
phoenix wrote:well this is actually kind of funny- she was hiered to make MJ look good in his coffin?? well, when she did a good job- so why didnt they open it on memorial?
i thought TMZ or wtf ever wrote his face was too destroyed- so how could make-up be any help here? bs

And how does CPR damage your face anyway? Maybe they got it backwards, someone was blowing on his chest and pumping on his face. That would explain so much... why they couldn't save him, and why his face was bruised.
mjfan - THAT was priceless!
lol! lol! lol!
Btw, I don't believe any of that crap about the battered face. They said that he was perfectly normal 'like he was sleeping peacefully' at the pre-Memorial private viewing and his kids could see him and all that - and then a couple of hours later his face is so battered that it had to be closed casket.
Pshh... yeah right, it had to be closed casket because there was no body in it.

lol! lol! lol! lol!

He looks so bad they have to close the casket, and they surely can let his kids see his battered , damaged face I SAY KIDS !!!!!!!!
But us adults can't take it ?
give me a break !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol! lol! lol! lol!
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Post by annieisnotokey Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:36 pm

Ok, people:

I did a horrible thing, but it’s all in the name of research…

Yesterday I sent a friendship request to Karen Faye in her FB account and she accepted it today. She’s accepting everybody, so you can all do the same thing I did. She’s not keeping her FB page a secret.

Anyway, I spent the best part of today going through all her comments since June 25th.

I’m not going to post or publish them here because I think it would be disrespectful to her, but I’m going to share with you my personal impressions after going through the whole thing.

She seems to be grieving and she also seems to take some sort of comfort in having a lot of people sharing her feelings. Most of her comments are like “I’m taking a day off” or “Tell me what your favorite MJ song is”. It’s not like she’s screaming murder every 2 seconds. However, there are a few comments about MJ being really thin, not being well, taking drugs and Kenny Ortega cutting his chicken and feeding it to him. But I think THE SUN took 5 or 6 comments out of a 100 and made a sensationalist story with them (what else is new).

I also get the impression that she might not know as much as she thinks she does and she’s talking mostly out of grief. I can’t explain this much further without quoting her comments (which I don’t want to do) but she expresses certain opinions about the estate & stuff that I’m pretty sure she doesn’t have first hand knowledge of.

After reading it all I have to go with Sweet1 post:
“IMO I do believe that Kenny Ortega cut up MJ's chicken for him. Remember! MJ was setting up the stage for his
death. He had to play the role of being a sickly, frail, weak individual that didn't have the capability to cut his own chicken. Keep in mind! This is the same person that was abusing prescription drugs too. Let's not forget this is also the same person that looked like a man 1/2 his age that danced his heart out for the The This Is It rehearsals June 23rd. Who mysteriously died two days later, but wait! It was the Diprivan administered by his shady doctor that killed him. It's all smoke and mirrors. If MJ had all of these issues he should have been dead long before June 2009. All I know is that this all gets crazier by the minute. Keep the Faith!”

Please don’t bite my head off if you don’t agree with me. I’m only giving you my impressions, while trying to not be judgmental and without openly dissecting every comment she posted on FB.

I strongly feel that KF comments don’t add or subtract much to our hoax theories.

She’s just a friend in mourning with a very special way to overcome it.
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Post by annieisnotokey Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:39 pm

jpresley wrote:
Oh, BLOW ME!! So, she can't share what happened "in the last week of his life" via a non-public forum?? WTF, that pisses me off SO BAD!!!! You're one of my closest friends for 20 years and I'm gonna air your dirty laundry AFTER YOU DIE (as opposed to actually helping you when you were alive). The whole thing makes me sick. Twisted Evil

lol! And I just wrote a very long post doing my best to not be judgmental!!
More power to you sis for openly expressing your opinion!!! lol!
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Post by QUEEN Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:40 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:Ok, people:

I did a horrible thing, but it’s all in the name of research…

Yesterday I sent a friendship request to Karen Faye in her FB account and she accepted it today. She’s accepting everybody, so you can all do the same thing I did. She’s not keeping her FB page a secret.

Anyway, I spent the best part of today going through all her comments since June 25th.

I’m not going to post or publish them here because I think it would be disrespectful to her, but I’m going to share with you my personal impressions after going through the whole thing.

She seems to be grieving and she also seems to take some sort of comfort in having a lot of people sharing her feelings. Most of her comments are like “I’m taking a day off” or “Tell me what your favorite MJ song is”. It’s not like she’s screaming murder every 2 seconds. However, there are a few comments about MJ being really thin, not being well, taking drugs and Kenny Ortega cutting his chicken and feeding it to him. But I think THE SUN took 5 or 6 comments out of a 100 and made a sensationalist story with them (what else is new).

I also get the impression that she might not know as much as she thinks she does and she’s talking mostly out of grief. I can’t explain this much further without quoting her comments (which I don’t want to do) but she expresses certain opinions about the estate & stuff that I’m pretty sure she doesn’t have first hand knowledge of.

After reading it all I have to go with Sweet1 post:
“IMO I do believe that Kenny Ortega cut up MJ's chicken for him. Remember! MJ was setting up the stage for his
death. He had to play the role of being a sickly, frail, weak individual that didn't have the capability to cut his own chicken. Keep in mind! This is the same person that was abusing prescription drugs too. Let's not forget this is also the same person that looked like a man 1/2 his age that danced his heart out for the The This Is It rehearsals June 23rd. Who mysteriously died two days later, but wait! It was the Diprivan administered by his shady doctor that killed him. It's all smoke and mirrors. If MJ had all of these issues he should have been dead long before June 2009. All I know is that this all gets crazier by the minute. Keep the Faith!”

Please don’t bite my head off if you don’t agree with me. I’m only giving you my impressions, while trying to not be judgmental and without openly dissecting every comment she posted on FB.

I strongly feel that KF comments don’t add or subtract much to our hoax theories.

She’s just a friend in mourning with a very special way to overcome it.

GOT YA !
BUT I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE THE CHEF NOT KAREN.
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Post by annieisnotokey Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:43 pm

QUEEN wrote:
GOT YA !
BUT I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE THE CHEF NOT KAREN.

Even better, then. Wink
We can keep our hopes even higher. Very Happy
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Post by kdkennedy74 Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:51 pm

Don't feel bad annie...I did the same thing by adding her to mine!!!
Embarassed
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Post by Lorrie Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:53 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:She’s just a friend in mourning with a very special way to overcome it.

Thanks for the in-depth account, annieisnotokey.

Mourning or not, I hereby cross Karen Faye off my list of Michael's friends who are his true friends that have only his best interests at heart.

As far as I'm concerned, discussing his personal business -- ANY of it -- in a public forum, even if it is registration-required Facebook, is no better than blabbing directly to the trashloids for money. No wonder The Sun "stole" her comments and ran with them in a crappy article, and I bet they didn't even pay her a dime. Too bad for her.

Since she appeared to be a wonderful friend up to this point, I was genuinely hoping there was a method to Karen's madness and a good reason for her deliberately putting Michael's business out in the virtual street (such as helping to further a necessary "hoax"). However, if annieisnotokey's observations are correct, then that's not the case.

I've no more respect for Karen Faye, and I won't be taking anything she says seriously in the future. Good riddance!
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Post by annieisnotokey Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:56 pm

kdkennedy74 wrote:Don't feel bad annie...I did the same thing by adding her to mine!!!
Embarassed

Thank you, sweety. I love you
I feel bad for what I did, but I had to do it to make up my mind one way or the other. And how could I not share my thoughts with you?? cheers

Anyway, KF has 2252 friends and counting... so she can't be expecting to keep her comments a secret. lol!


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Post by jpresley Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:58 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:
jpresley wrote:
Oh, BLOW ME!! So, she can't share what happened "in the last week of his life" via a non-public forum?? WTF, that pisses me off SO BAD!!!! You're one of my closest friends for 20 years and I'm gonna air your dirty laundry AFTER YOU DIE (as opposed to actually helping you when you were alive). The whole thing makes me sick. Twisted Evil

lol! And I just wrote a very long post doing my best to not be judgmental!!
More power to you sis for openly expressing your opinion!!! lol!

Thanks. It's just...I'm tired of the bullshit. If she is truly grieving Michael's death, well, then I'm sorry. And, perhaps, she truly is. What I don't understand is the public forum in which she is choosing to do so. I know myself and how I am w/ my family and friends, and I can guarandamntee you that I would not go on a public forum to talk about my friend's supposed problems. If she were so concerned with Michael's well being, then she should have stood up and faced the music prior to his death. Instead, she takes her grief to the public, KNOWING how private Michael was. Let me tell you, if Michael were my friend and I couldn't stop him from killing himself, I certainly wouldn't talk about it with the world. I would take his confidences (and my guilt) to the grave - MY grave. Where is the loyality?

Lets look at this a different way. Karen has been a confident of MJ's for 20 years and you know that she has been privy to stuff we can't even comprehend. She keeps his confidences, through the first set of child molestation charges and then through the 2005 trial. She helps debunk that awful Bashit interview. Fast forward and MJ rehires her to help w/ the O2 concerts and she sees things that maybe aren't exactly kosher. So, what does she do? She sits on it. She doesn't do anything. She lets him die. She lets the world mourn him and doesn't say a damn thing until last week? WTF is up with that??? It simply doesn't make sense! I stand firm behind my belief that she is actually IN ON THE HOAX or she is the biggest POS on the planet and I hope that she chokes on her guilt. I make no apologies for that.
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Post by annieisnotokey Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:59 pm

Lorrie wrote:
annieisnotokey wrote:She’s just a friend in mourning with a very special way to overcome it.

Thanks for the in-depth account, annieisnotokey.

Mourning or not, I hereby cross Karen Faye off my list of Michael's friends who are his true friends that have only his best interests at heart.

As far as I'm concerned, discussing his personal business -- ANY of it -- in a public forum, even if it is registration-required Facebook, is no better than blabbing directly to the trashloids for money. No wonder The Sun "stole" her comments and ran with them in a crappy article, and I bet they didn't even pay her a dime. Too bad for her.

Since she appeared to be a wonderful friend up to this point, I was genuinely hoping there was a method to Karen's madness and a good reason for her deliberately putting Michael's business out in the virtual street (such as helping to further a necessary "hoax"). However, if annieisnotokey's observations are correct, then that's not the case.

I've no more respect for Karen Faye, and I won't be taking anything she says seriously in the future. Good riddance!

Your conclusions are pretty much my impressions.
I just tried to not be too hard on her because I was also doing something wrong.
However, you easily read between my lines and figured out exactly how I truly feel. Wink
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Post by annieisnotokey Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:02 pm

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Thanks. It's just...I'm tired of the bullshit. If she is truly grieving Michael's death, well, then I'm sorry. And, perhaps, she truly is. What I don't understand is the public forum in which she is choosing to do so. I know myself and how I am w/ my family and friends, and I can guarandamntee you that I would not go on a public forum to talk about my friend's supposed problems. If she were so concerned with Michael's well being, then she should have stood up and faced the music prior to his death. Instead, she takes her grief to the public, KNOWING how private Michael was. Let me tell you, if Michael were my friend and I couldn't stop him from killing himself, I certainly wouldn't talk about it with the world. I would take his confidences (and my guilt) to the grave - MY grave. Where is the loyality?

I used your exact words a couple of hours ago when I told my mum about my impressions on her FB account.
I'm glad we are all on the same page.
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Post by MJJXscape Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:51 pm

Just for your information, Mike fired Karen when he moved overseas in 2005.
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Post by jpresley Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:54 pm

MJJXscape wrote:Just for your information, Mike fired Karen when he moved overseas in 2005.

Yes, he did, but he recently rehired her in preparation for the O2 concerts.
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Post by PinkLizard Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:02 am

Anything they say in THE SUN should be read with a clothes peg on your nose - so you don't smell the BS coming from the pages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr @ the media!
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Post by Smelly Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:04 am

PinkLizard wrote:Anything they say in THE SUN should be read with a clothes peg on your nose - so you don't smell the BS coming from the pages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr @ the media!

LOL Yeah, I can smell the BS from my computer screen!!!!
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Post by PinkLizard Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:18 am

I'm sending you some clothes pegs! Smile
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Post by Smelly Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:28 am

ROFL, could do with some, don't forget to keep some for yourself lol
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Post by PinkLizard Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:33 am

I have a very large supply as I am British and the BS from the tabloids is in the air! affraid
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Post by jpresley Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:49 am

PinkLizard wrote:I have a very large supply as I am British and the BS from the tabloids is in the air! affraid


Pink Lizard, we (the US) feel your pain re the tabloids. The bullshit factor is just as bad here and actually, IMO, I consider it worse, because this is Michael's country, ya know?? Michael got more love abroad than he ever did here even though there are millions of us who love him dearly. So sad.
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Post by PinkLizard Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:02 am

jpresley - It really is so sad. How they sleep at night I do not know! They somehow make heroes out of villains and turn genuine heroes into villains Sad What a twisted world we live in! Feel like quoting 'tiny tim' here - God bless us, Everyone! lol!
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