The Michael Jackson tapes

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:32 pm

Just saw this on MSNBC. Take a listen,...

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/33017548#33017548

by neverlandprincess Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:39 pm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:Just saw this on MSNBC. Take a listen,...

[url=http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/33017548#33017548

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/33017548#33017548[/quote[/url]]

some of this I have hear before...

by marsheliamorgan Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:41 pm

OMG, i just heard these and was fixing to post the link,this is SO sad,i dont know now,i cant say he would hoax his death and this be out there,unless,this is part of the plan?what do u think?

by neverlandprincess Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:42 pm

Aw-I think this man is sincere.

by neverlandprincess Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:43 pm

marsheliamorgan wrote:OMG, i just heard these and was fixing to post the link,this is SO sad,i dont know now,i cant say he would hoax his death and this be out there,unless,this is part of the plan?what do u think?

If he hoaxed his death and did not tell this guy..

by Guest Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:55 pm

OMG!! What is this?

by hungry Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:55 pm

I miss him.

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:58 pm

MyBelovedMJ wrote:OMG!! What is this?

These are the Michael Jackson tapes!!! LOL

by Guest Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:11 pm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
MyBelovedMJ wrote:OMG!! What is this?

These are the Michael Jackson tapes!!! LOL

You just had to say that didnt you The Michael Jackson tapes Lol

by marsheliamorgan Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:11 pm

POSSIBLY this is one reason micheal hoaxed his death,again,to get THE TRUTH out there and clear his name,WHY he wanted to be famous,HOW this can and could help other children in bad neglectful homes even if just by giving these children encouragemnet i dont know,but,this man sounds sincere,and painfully concerned over THE REAL michael jackson,not the entertainer,or celebrity.this so made me cry,to know he went thru all this pain and loneliness,and sadness.NO ONE should ever be this sad and lonely and tortured by his family,much less the media,no wonder he felt empty and abused and just wanted to be alone after what the public and media did to him, its a shame he couldnt have seen how many of his REAL FANS believed in him and just wanted to be there for him and comfort him, NOT all of the public just wanted him to go away and NEVER hear the sweet beautiful voice again, poor michael

by emanviam Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:14 pm

Ohhhhh....I am sad to listen to his voice.... Sad

by MJFoReVeRandAlways Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:20 pm

I can´t listen to it, it just loads and suddenly Liza Minelli starts. She´s on the next video. I so wanna hear this...

by Truth_or_Dare Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:41 pm

I can't listen to it either...only Liza.. The Michael Jackson tapes Icon_sad

Do you have another link to it?

by emanviam Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:47 pm

MyBelovedMJ wrote:
THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
MyBelovedMJ wrote:OMG!! What is this?

These are the Michael Jackson tapes!!! LOL

You just had to say that didnt you

by EarthAngel90 Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:55 pm

Wow ... those tapes reveal the truth about everything .... Michael is a normal human being ... just like us .....

by GirlSaturday Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:02 pm

There's a part of the segment that just locked inside of my head and made stomach twist in knots.

It was the description of Joseph telling his son to strip nude , get oiled down so he could then beat him with a cord.

That is some sick twisted sadistic crap.

by Smelly Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:06 pm

Is it these tapes? I couldn't watch it on the other link so I'm not sure.

by GirlSaturday Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:07 pm

Yes.

Smelly wrote:Is it these tapes? I couldn't watch it on the other link so I'm not sure.

by MJFoReVeRandAlways Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:08 pm

Thank you so much GirlSaturday & Smelly!

by Human_nature Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:11 pm

I can't listen...it's step to Liza Minelli Video... The Michael Jackson tapes Icon_mad

by MJFoReVeRandAlways Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:14 pm

I would love to hear that part about princess Diana. I didn´t believe at first that he said that about Madonna, but obviously he did. That´s why I´d love to hear the Diana thing too. Maybe it´ll "leak" out soon, like this one did.

by Truth_or_Dare Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:16 pm

Thanks Smelly and GirlSaturady!
God, it was so sad to hear him say those things...Of this father and of how lonely he was...God... The Michael Jackson tapes Kopfschuettel

by Human_nature Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:16 pm

oh wow !!! The Michael Jackson tapes Icon_eek

by MJFoReVeRandAlways Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:17 pm

It was HORRIBLE to listen to The Michael Jackson tapes Icon_cry

by GirlSaturday Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:18 pm

I actually had to catch myself before I posted. There was really much stronger language and more thoughts to elaborate on regarding that segment. However, I will be respectful of the site and hold my tongue. The Michael Jackson tapes Icon_evil

MJFoReVeRandAlways wrote:Thank you so much GirlSaturday!

by MJFoReVeRandAlways Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:28 pm

Yeah I know, not easy to hear that. But I think it´s good to hear the human part of MJ, what he actually went throuh, in his own words. But it made my stomach twist too, I promise. I can relate to some of the things he talks about, the fear he has, in my case it was my mother. And I am simply amazed how he remained good and big hearted and wanted so much good for the world. I truly believe he was God sent and he was here for a purpose and those kind of people are always somehow put through hell to test how true to their goodness they are. No need to say that MJ stood out his trials, with flying colours. I´ve heard that God only tests those who He knows mananges to get through and still believes.

It was fun though when he talked about Brooke Shields, how cute was that! I mean think about it, for him it was a bit like one of us getting to meet him. Well, almost The Michael Jackson tapes Lol

by GirlSaturday Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:45 pm

What made my blood boil was thinking that there may be even more to this stuff. He may have actually held back from revealing more despite the honest revelation of the nude/oiled/beatings. I'll give an example of what I mean. A dear friend of mine suffered horrible sexual abuse from a relative when she was a child. She shared some horrendous information with me. However she ackowledged that there were things and details that she could never tell anyone. They were too painful to share or discuss. Michael shared this horrendous act so who knows what else may have taken place? I cringe to even think such thoughts.

MJFoReVeRandAlways wrote:Yeah I know, not easy to hear that. But I think it´s good to hear the human part of MJ, what he actually went throuh, in his own words. But it made my stomach twist too, I promise. I can relate to some of the things he talks about, the fear he has, in my case it was my mother. And I am simply amazed how he remained good and big hearted and wanted so much good for the world. I truly believe he was God sent and he was here for a purpose and those kind of people are always somehow put through hell to test how true to their goodness they are. No need to say that MJ stood out his trials, with flying colours. I´ve heard that God only tests those who He knows mananges to get through and still believes.

It was fun though when he talked about Brooke Shields, how cute was that! I mean think about it, for him it was a bit like one of us getting to meet him. Well, almost

by Human_nature Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:45 pm

MJFoReVeRandAlways wrote:Yeah I know, not easy to hear that. But I think it´s good to hear the human part of MJ, what he actually went throuh, in his own words. But it made my stomach twist too, I promise. I can relate to some of the things he talks about, the fear he has, in my case it was my mother. And I am simply amazed how he remained good and big hearted and wanted so much good for the world. I truly believe he was God sent and he was here for a purpose and those kind of people are always somehow put through hell to test how true to their goodness they are. No need to say that MJ stood out his trials, with flying colours. I´ve heard that God only tests those who He knows mananges to get through and still believes.

It was fun though when he talked about Brooke Shields, how cute was that! I mean think about it, for him it was a bit like one of us getting to meet him. Well, almost

I agree with you.

And really, I can't see nothing weird about Michael, but more about what Joe REALLY used to do !
It was the part I really freaked out.

Michael is human, and I love him, like he is ...end of story The Michael Jackson tapes Icon_cool

by Human_nature Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:48 pm

GirlSaturday wrote:What made my blood boil was thinking that there may be even more to this stuff. He may have actually held back from revealing more despite the honest revelation of the nude/oiled/beatings. I'll give an example of what I mean. A dear friend of mine suffered horrible sexual abuse from a relative when she was a child. She shared some horrendous information with me. However she ackowledged that there were things and details that she could never tell anyone. They were too painful to share or discuss. Michael shared this horrendous act so who knows what else may have taken place? I cringe to even think such thoughts.

MJFoReVeRandAlways wrote:Yeah I know, not easy to hear that. But I think it´s good to hear the human part of MJ, what he actually went throuh, in his own words. But it made my stomach twist too, I promise. I can relate to some of the things he talks about, the fear he has, in my case it was my mother. And I am simply amazed how he remained good and big hearted and wanted so much good for the world. I truly believe he was God sent and he was here for a purpose and those kind of people are always somehow put through hell to test how true to their goodness they are. No need to say that MJ stood out his trials, with flying colours. I´ve heard that God only tests those who He knows mananges to get through and still believes.

It was fun though when he talked about Brooke Shields, how cute was that! I mean think about it, for him it was a bit like one of us getting to meet him. Well, almost

yes, it's what I meant in my previous post ...

(But I'm not surprised about revelations about Madonna or other things )

just the part about Joe...

by MJFoReVeRandAlways Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:53 pm

@GirlSaturday
I have to admit, I´ve always wondered if he did something to him or that the beating even took that turn, into some kind of sexual torture. I don´t want to say too much, people might be offended, but I pray to God that it´s not the case. But it sure threw me off a bit, the oli thing and all. Does it hurt more that way, or what? My heart is bleeding by the very thought of this AWFUL scenario.

@Human_nature
I love him becuase he is human, in the real sense of the word. One who hurts and feels and therefore is compassionate with others, specially the weaker ones, small children that have noone. God bless him.

by Human_nature Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:55 pm

MJFoReVeRandAlways wrote:@Human_nature
I love him becuase he is human, in the real sense of the word. One who hurts and feels and therefore is compassionate with others, specially the weaker ones, small children that have noone. God bless him.

This is what I wrote.
I also wrote what's disturbed me is the part about Joe. I think it was probably alot more than that...it's what I really hate.

by MJFoReVeRandAlways Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:05 pm

Human_nature wrote:
MJFoReVeRandAlways wrote:@Human_nature
I love him becuase he is human, in the real sense of the word. One who hurts and feels and therefore is compassionate with others, specially the weaker ones, small children that have noone. God bless him.

This is what I wrote.
I also wrote what's disturbed me is the part about Joe. I think it was probably alot more than that...it's what I really hate.

Yeah I know.

Me too.

by emanviam Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:09 pm

MJFoReVeRandAlways wrote:Yeah I know, not easy to hear that. But I think it´s good to hear the human part of MJ, what he actually went throuh, in his own words. But it made my stomach twist too, I promise. I can relate to some of the things he talks about, the fear he has, in my case it was my mother. And I am simply amazed how he remained good and big hearted and wanted so much good for the world. I truly believe he was God sent and he was here for a purpose and those kind of people are always somehow put through hell to test how true to their goodness they are. No need to say that MJ stood out his trials, with flying colours. I´ve heard that God only tests those who He knows mananges to get through and still believes.

It was fun though when he talked about Brooke Shields, how cute was that! I mean think about it, for him it was a bit like one of us getting to meet him. Well, almost

by dunno_it Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:24 pm

The vid is no longer available. does someone have a different link??

by MJFoReVeRandAlways Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:26 pm

Find the youtube link in this thread that Smelly posted. It should work...

by hungry Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:27 pm

Human_nature wrote:
MJFoReVeRandAlways wrote:@Human_nature
I love him becuase he is human, in the real sense of the word. One who hurts and feels and therefore is compassionate with others, specially the weaker ones, small children that have noone. God bless him.

This is what I wrote.
I also wrote what's disturbed me is the part about Joe. I think it was probably alot more than that...it's what I really hate.

I'm really really scared of Joe.

by MJFoReVeRandAlways Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:30 pm

hungry wrote:
Human_nature wrote:
MJFoReVeRandAlways wrote:@Human_nature
I love him becuase he is human, in the real sense of the word. One who hurts and feels and therefore is compassionate with others, specially the weaker ones, small children that have noone. God bless him.

This is what I wrote.
I also wrote what's disturbed me is the part about Joe. I think it was probably alot more than that...it's what I really hate.
I'm really really scared of Joe.

Well, not nowadays maybe. But back in the days, I´d be too...

by Rach Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:31 pm

@ Hungry

Joe is a bully. Those poor children were just that - CHILDREN. They were so innocent and defenseless and he beat them black and blue. He makes me sick and it shows what a wonderful man Michael is because he was able to forgive him and show him love.

Karma will come back and bite him in the @ss for what he did.

by Guest Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:31 pm

Smelly wrote:Is it these tapes? I couldn't watch it on the other link so I'm not sure.

"If I sharpened my craft, mabye people would love me more"

When Michael said that I broke down crying. The Michael Jackson tapes Icon_sad

All he ever wished for was to be loved, and find that special someone, to share his life with. I would give anything, to take his loneliness away.

OH MY GOD. This is one of the most heartbreaking things Ive ever heard. He is so alone.
I cant listen to anymore of these videos. I have to stop it, or I will be completely heartbroken. The Michael Jackson tapes Icon_sad

I listen to the first link, I dont like Liza`s pass tense talk. Why does she talk about him that way? She is the only one.......

by hungry Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:32 pm

Rach wrote:Karma will come back and bite him in the @ss for what he did.

I hope it didn't come in the form of Michael death though Sad

by neverlandprincess Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:35 pm

@ Rach -it may have already...Joe is acting a little senial these days. I think I will actualy buy this. It sounds like this is the audio version of what the Bashir deal was supposed to be.

Hey...not to make anybody so mad they want to kick me off the forum but somebody needs to see what Cassandra says about the tapes being out. Over all I believe the rabbi, even if the Jackson family wont "validate this with any comments".

by Rach Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:36 pm

hungry wrote:I hope it didn't come in the form of Michael death though

No not at all!

I meant in his next life if you believe in the afterlife at all?

Don't get sad sweetie Smile

by hungry Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:38 pm

Rach wrote:
hungry wrote:I hope it didn't come in the form of Michael death though

No not at all!

I meant in his next life if you believe in the afterlife at all?

Don't get sad sweetie

My spirits are lightening up, actually. Thanks!

by GirlSaturday Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:39 pm

...My friend here tells me the coals located in hell are pretty hot.

Rach wrote:@ Hungry

Joe is a bully. Those poor children were just that - CHILDREN. They were so innocent and defenseless and he beat them black and blue. He makes me sick and it shows what a wonderful man Michael is because he was able to forgive him and show him love.

Karma will come back and bite him in the @ss for what he did.

by Rach Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:41 pm

neverlandprincess wrote:@ Rach -it may have already...Joe is acting a little senial these days. I think I will actualy buy this. It sounds like this is the audio version of what the Bashir deal was supposed to be.

I agree with you about the Bashir thing.

It angers me that it took what happened on June 25th for people to be able to see the "real" Michael and not and image that the media had created.

by MacyBlue Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:53 am

My heart is shredded.

by Guest Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:37 am

My heart a torn to pieces.

by StenniZ Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:26 am

What did you all think about the LaToya video? I can't get past the fact/thought that her story sounds unsincere/made up. No offense, but the way the voice over speaks of how she speaks to him with her guard down and still being very emotional about it (which I could very well understand), but it doesn't feel like that to me at all. Perhaps, that's how she is as a person. Perhaps she's had to act (being a wellknown person and all that) so long, that she's forgotten how to be genuine, I don't know. :S And as horrible as it was to hear what MJ said in the Rabbi-conversation, I do think, we have to take into account, that it's not a full, chronological playback. As I read elsewhere this guy has many hours of taping, so plenty of room to edit en compile excerpts to make up a different story, from what he and MJ spoke about (mind you, I'm not saying that this is what happened, but we can't rule it out either). I thought it was very strange how he posed the question, if MJ thought God had given him certain healing powers. What kind of question is that? This gave me the idea, that he formulated the question, after MJ stated his answer (in a different context). Hope you know what I mean and again: not trying to dismiss or ridicule all of this. Just trying to keep an open mind about it.

by GirlSaturday Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:31 am

Your points are good ones especially about the interview tapes. Yes there is indeed magic to be found in an editing room.

LaToya has acted (poorly) for the bulk of her life so it would not surprise me if her interview answers had been carefully worded to present what she thought would generate the greatest sympathy and favorable perceptions of ...HER

StenniZ wrote:What did you all think about the LaToya video? I can't get past the fact/thought that her story sounds unsincere/made up. No offense, but the way the voice over speaks of how she speaks to him with her guard down and still being very emotional about it (which I could very well understand), but it doesn't feel like that to me at all. Perhaps, that's how she is as a person. Perhaps she's had to act (being a wellknown person and all that) so long, that she's forgotten how to be genuine, I don't know. :S And as horrible as it was to hear what MJ said in the Rabbi-conversation, I do think, we have to take into account, that it's not a full, chronological playback. As I read elsewhere this guy has many hours of taping, so plenty of room to edit en compile excerpts to make up a different story, from what he and MJ spoke about (mind you, I'm not saying that this is what happened, but we can't rule it out either). I thought it was very strange how he posed the question, if MJ thought God had given him certain healing powers. What kind of question is that? This gave me the idea, that he formulated the question, after MJ stated his answer (in a different context). Hope you know what I mean and again: not trying to dismiss or ridicule all of this. Just trying to keep an open mind about it.

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