Re: GUY PLS CHECK THIS OUT....PLS LET IT BE REAL.

by neverlandsfairy Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:27 am

So its debunked?If it is we need to find this bastard and kick him from his job, since he is soooooo miserable to perform such thing with us on this fragile moment.

by Human_nature Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:27 am

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by Human_nature Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:28 am

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by zembla Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:29 am

MJalive wrote:here, check out it

https://i.servimg.com/u/f88/14/28/45/04/df10.jpg

[url=https://i.servimg.com/u/f88/14/28/45/04/fake10.jpg

https://i.servimg.com/u/f88/14/28/45/04/fake10.jpg[/quote[/url]]

Heya Mjalive, i have seen those pics, yes. But if you check out the link i entered above and you check out the equipment, you'll see that every vehicle is different. The R's in itself differ as well. And these vehicles all belong to the LA coroner's. Just saying... Maybe it were indeed two 'official' vans. Just cause there are some small differences between the vans, doesn't make one of them a fake. (They CAN be decoys though, that in itself is a different discussion)

by yaya Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:29 am

i also think there was more than 1 van, for a purpose...to make things go smoother and confuse people. and i agree with human_nature that there's another chained gate inside the tunnel.

by MJfan777 Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:35 am

[quote="zembla"]

MJalive wrote:here, check out it

https://i.servimg.com/u/f88/14/28/45/04/df10.jpg

https://i.servimg.com/u/f88/14/28/45/04/fake10.jpg[/quote]

Heya Mjalive, i have seen those pics, yes. But if you check out the link i entered above and you check out the equipment, you'll see that every vehicle is different. The R's in itself differ as well. And these vehicles all belong to the LA coroner's. Just saying... Maybe it were indeed two 'official' vans. Just cause there are some small differences between the vans, doesn't make one of them a fake. (They CAN be decoys though, that in itself is a different discussion)

i never said the van is FAKE, (two vans are real, i checked it)i want to show that MAYBE this video is fake .
would be my brother there, anybody knows.

by neverlandsfairy Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:38 am

Human_nature wrote:I still believe it's a real video, it's my opinion.

Medias followed the van yes. But when they followed that van, it's very possible another van was on the way...but they was fooled with a decoy. it's what I think.

I just so much wish and need to believe on it, so much sweetie.Cause right now Im feelin horrible, really horrible.Cause I was so happy yesterday when I saw the video, that I did not mourned him how he deserved, even for just a minute.And now, the sadness feeling I´d had shared yesterday, is coming back to me with the awful guilty sensation.If you understand what I meant.

by zembla Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:42 am

[quote="MJalive"]

zembla wrote:
MJalive wrote:here, check out it

https://i.servimg.com/u/f88/14/28/45/04/df10.jpg

https://i.servimg.com/u/f88/14/28/45/04/fake10.jpg[/quote]

Heya Mjalive, i have seen those pics, yes. But if you check out the link i entered above and you check out the equipment, you'll see that every vehicle is different. The R's in itself differ as well. And these vehicles all belong to the LA coroner's. Just saying... Maybe it were indeed two 'official' vans. Just cause there are some small differences between the vans, doesn't make one of them a fake. (They CAN be decoys though, that in itself is a different discussion)

i never said the van is FAKE, (two vans are real, i checked it)i want to show that MAYBE this video is fake .
would be my brother there, anybody knows.

Sorry! My bad for misinterpreting. Sad

First I believed the van to be a fake, but after having seen all vehicles differ on a lot of levels, I thought the vid might be the fakey instead of the van. Then again: it has been pointed out several times before --why would anyone go through all this hassle to make the vid look so very real then?

by Give.In.To.Me Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:43 am

yaya wrote:i also think there was more than 1 van, for a purpose...to make things go smoother and confuse people. and i agree with human_nature that there's another chained gate inside the tunnel.

Don't get me wrong I am not trying to debunk this for all of you..but I don't think this dude would run into some tunnel that already has one gate coming down when the outside door is probably coming down as well. As if he would want to get trapped between the 2 doors.

by neverlandsfairy Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:43 am

[quote="zembla"][quote="MJalive"][quote="zembla"]

MJalive wrote:here, check out it

Sorry! My bad for misinterpreting. First I believed the van to be a fake, but after having seen all vehicles differ on a lot of levels, I thought the vid might be the fakey instead of the van. Then again: it has been pointed out several times before --why would anyone go through all this hassle to make the vid look so very real then?

Is what Im still wondering, he´d go to jail for a few months (i guess), and also loose his job.Why so much risk to perform a video that was released for free?This is the elephant on the room on this video.Its the reason Im still confused and divided about it. Question

by ishealive Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:44 am

This is still very real to me, Regardles of whether it's the same van or not this video is too official to be fake and it was released yesterday for a reason.

by MJfan777 Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:45 am

MJalive wrote:
zembla wrote:
MJalive wrote:here, check out it

https://i.servimg.com/u/f88/14/28/45/04/df10.jpg

https://i.servimg.com/u/f88/14/28/45/04/fake10.jpg[/quote]

Heya Mjalive, i have seen those pics, yes. But if you check out the link i entered above and you check out the equipment, you'll see that every vehicle is different. The R's in itself differ as well. And these vehicles all belong to the LA coroner's. Just saying... Maybe it were indeed two 'official' vans. Just cause there are some small differences between the vans, doesn't make one of them a fake. (They CAN be decoys though, that in itself is a different discussion)

i never said the van is FAKE, (two vans are real, i checked it)i want to show that MAYBE this video is fake .
would be my brother there, anybody knows.

Sorry! My bad for misinterpreting. First I believed the van to be a fake, but after having seen all vehicles differ on a lot of levels, I thought the vid might be the fakey instead of the van. Then again: it has been pointed out several times before --why would anyone go through all this hassle to make the vid look so very real then?

maybe have someone joking to us.
or its a message from michael like'' good morning, im alive'' (made by another guy in another day) you know?
(if TMZ said its real ... maybe it would be a message, cause we know exist something between michael death case and tmz)

by Human_nature Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:46 am

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by neverlandsfairy Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:48 am

Don't get me wrong I am not trying to debunk this for all of you..but I don't think this dude would run into some tunnel that already has one gate coming down when the outside door is probably coming down as well. As if he would want to get trapped between the 2 doors.[/quote]

And if the dude is someone who works there?Like a doorman or a janitor?He´d not been sneaking, just waiting the arriving of the van (knowing the content of it), with a dead body on it, what suddenly he saw jumping and walking?Just wondering...

by yaya Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:48 am

Give.In.To.Me wrote:
yaya wrote:i also think there was more than 1 van, for a purpose...to make things go smoother and confuse people. and i agree with human_nature that there's another chained gate inside the tunnel.

Don't get me wrong I am not trying to debunk this for all of you..but I don't think this dude would run into some tunnel that already has one gate coming down when the outside door is probably coming down as well. As if he would want to get trapped between the 2 doors.

i understand what you're saying. i just never saw the outside gate closing tho. forgive me for being slow if i missed it!

by Human_nature Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:49 am

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by kdkennedy74 Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:50 am

Maybe, the real MJ left the hospital in one van while another van picked up the corpse that was helicoptered. Just a thought. Remember we do have a UCLA employee saying that she seen MJ in the basement in a white shirt and black pants.

by Human_nature Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:51 am

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by Human_nature Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:52 am

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by kdkennedy74 Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:54 am

I just think that the coroner probably had a body to pick up from the hospital at the same time Michael was there and a very much alive MJ switched places and sent the corpse on the heli. It's the perfect decoy. You have the coroners office and you have a body.

by Human_nature Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:56 am

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by MJfan777 Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:59 am

kdkennedy74 wrote:Maybe, the real MJ left the hospital in one van while another van picked up the corpse that was helicoptered. Just a thought. Remember we do have a UCLA employee saying that she seen MJ in the basement in a white shirt and black pants.

perfect!!
Another guy would was usng the same clothes to make the video.

....doenst make sense to me WHY change the van n underground garage.
maybe this video is from ANOTHER PLACE.

by Give.In.To.Me Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:59 am

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?page_id=293/hoax-death/mj-van-video-a-fake/#p74060

by ilprincipe Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:03 pm

I AM SOOOOOO MAD NOW...

But I`m not sure if it is true..

For the ones who speak german:

http://www.bild.de/BILD/unterhaltung/leute/2009/08/26/michael-jackson-lebt/rtl-enttaeuscht-mit-falschem-video.html

The vid was allegedly shot from a german TV channel "RTL"
they wanted to see how conspiracy theorists react..
but BILD -the newspaper- is germanys worst tabloid....
And on the homepage of rtl www.rtl.de
you can't find NO statement referring to the vid.

I don't know what to believe...I watched RTL today..and they reported
nothing about the video or even confessed that they had created it...

any ideas?

by Banessa Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:04 pm

Im Not trying to sound like a B**ch! and please forgive me if I do. But I just don't want to get My hopes way UP! and then just drop! I think we are running with this video just like the media did w/all fake MJ info.

We need to be more cautious! With everything that is fed/given to us! For our own sanity and peace of mind! Smile

by Banessa Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:05 pm

Give.In.To.Me wrote:http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?page_id=293/hoax-death/mj-van-video-a-fake/#p74060

Thanks!!! This is exactly what I was trying to say in my previous post!!!

by Give.In.To.Me Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:06 pm

Banessa said...I think we are running with this video just like the media did w/all fake MJ info.

girl, I`m with you. I think you hit the nail on the head.

by ilprincipe Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:09 pm

ok...My hopes weren't based on this vid...
I still have hope...

but I'm angry that these damn guys fooled so many people....

by Human_nature Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:10 pm

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by Human_nature Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:11 pm

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by zembla Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:12 pm

@ Ilprincipe: i just read the article. Thanks for posting the link!
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The idea in itself to 'test people who believe in the hoax' is just down right cruel. The friggin' nerve!

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:17 pm

I think the vid is real. And strange how some GERMAN (JCC clue -geramny is key) site said it was fake. I think its real and someone leaked it too soon and they got caught and were ordered to say its fake.....just a theory.

by MJfan777 Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:17 pm

but if they are using a public service to do a joke... its a crime, not?

by Human_nature Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:17 pm

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by MJfan777 Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:18 pm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:I think the vid is real. And strange how some GERMAN (JCC clue -geramny is key) site said it was fake. I think its real and someone leaked it too soon and they got caught and were ordered to say its fake.....just a theory.

i agree

by neverlandsfairy Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:25 pm

I just throwed. Im trully disappointed with the mankind, till which point had we lowered ourselves?How come can we completly forgot the feelings of the other?If its a Tv channel what produced it, now we have our answers, of how they would spent money to stage such a prank.CAUSE THEY ARE BLOODY SUCKERS, SOUL KEEPERS, SOUL RIPPERS, Im loosing my hope...Maybe this world was not the right place for an angel, better, an Archangel.Im so ashamed to be part of this, cause instead of retain myself and pray for him yesterday, I got easyly seduced and deceived by evil minds.I just hope he can forgive me, cause if I failed, it was not cause I do not love him.But case I love him insanely.Im feeling guilty, used, and stupid now.

Now I will really need something to stand, cause Im seeing the hope on a very low score at this right moment.

Its funny, today I was on the bed, and I heard his voice on my ear.Tough I was already awake,and was not a matter impression, I really did heard...

Forgive me Michael, I REALLY REALLY WANNA BE WHERE YOU ARE.The world is such a nasty place nowadays. Sad

GIRLS GIVE ME A LIGHT TO KEEP BELIEVING...help me!

by ilprincipe Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:29 pm

welcome @ zembla Smile

There's a show..called "explosiv"
it will be shown tomorrow at 6pm (CET) how it was made...
one day later you can maybe watch a record of this on the RTL homepage..
I will take a look tomorrow and tell you more ...

The info that it will be shown came from MJHD...

I can't do anything right now...just sit and wait....

by yaya Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:30 pm

neverlandsfairy wrote:I just throwed. Im trully disappointed with the mankind, till which point had we lowered ourselves?How come can we completly forgot the feelings of the other.If its a Tv channel what produced it, now we have our answers, of how they would spent money to stage such a prank.CAUSE THEY ARE BLOODY SUCKERS, SOUL KEEPERS, SOUL RIPPERS, Im loosing my hope...Maybe this world was not the right place for an angel, better, an Archangel.Im so ashamed to be part of this, to instead of retain myself and pray for him yesterday, got seduced and deceived by evil minds.I just hope he can forgive me, cause if I failed, it was not cause I do not love him.But case I love him insanely.Im feeling guilty, used, and stupid.

Now I will really need something to stand, cause Im seeing the hope on a very low score.Its funny, today I was on the bed, and I heard his voice on my ear.Tough I was already awake,and was not a matter impression, I really did heard...

Forgive me Michael, I REALLY REALLY WANNA BE WHERE YOU ARE.The world is such a nasty place nowadays.

GIRLS GIVE ME A LIGHT TO KEEP BELIEVING...help me!

just cuz a german site (who has nothing to do with the LA coroners) said it's fake doesn't mean it is. i still think it's real.

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:33 pm

I think at times like this, we are getting a small taste of what MJ went through with the media. Sad

by Human_nature Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:33 pm

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by zembla Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:36 pm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:I think at times like this, we are getting a small taste of what MJ went through with the media.

Agreed! Even though we haven't even experienced one millionth of what Mike had to go through. Sad

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:36 pm

neverlandsfairy wrote:I just throwed. Im trully disappointed with the mankind, till which point had we lowered ourselves?How come can we completly forgot the feelings of the other?If its a Tv channel what produced it, now we have our answers, of how they would spent money to stage such a prank.CAUSE THEY ARE BLOODY SUCKERS, SOUL KEEPERS, SOUL RIPPERS, Im loosing my hope...Maybe this world was not the right place for an angel, better, an Archangel.Im so ashamed to be part of this, cause instead of retain myself and pray for him yesterday, I got easyly seduced and deceived by evil minds.I just hope he can forgive me, cause if I failed, it was not cause I do not love him.But case I love him insanely.Im feeling guilty, used, and stupid now.

Now I will really need something to stand, cause Im seeing the hope on a very low score at this right moment.

Its funny, today I was on the bed, and I heard his voice on my ear.Tough I was already awake,and was not a matter impression, I really did heard...

Forgive me Michael, I REALLY REALLY WANNA BE WHERE YOU ARE.The world is such a nasty place nowadays.

GIRLS GIVE ME A LIGHT TO KEEP BELIEVING...help me!

do not dispair honey!!! We are all in this together. If one of us is hurting, we all hurt.
Dont believe that its fake. We all believed yesterday that it was real so I am going to still believe its real.
How do we know that this person hasnt just seen this vid and CLAIMED they made it and said its a fake. Someone looking to be cruel to us.
DO NOT BELIEVE IT!!!!!
Im here for you ok?

by silvy Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:40 pm

"like the old Indian proverb says do not judge a man until you've walked 2 moons in his moccasins"

by Ena Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:47 pm

@ilprincipe
It will be aired on "explosiv"?
If they really staged everything that is a shame. How cruel is that?

by Human_nature Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:48 pm

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by kdkennedy74 Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:51 pm

Does anyone here know anything about "explosiv"? Are they reputable or another rag mag?

by zembla Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:58 pm

kdkennedy74 wrote:Does anyone here know anything about "explosiv"? Are they reputable or another rag mag?

From what I hear: the lowest of the low. So rag mag should be most fitting here.

by kdkennedy74 Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:04 pm

Ok lets look at this another way. Say the video is fake and they can prove it. They still can not debunk so many of the other flaws that we have found in our research. So while they may think they are making fools of us, really they are not. We just go back to the drawing board and forget about this. We have plenty of information that proves that he is alive. Enough so, that we really don't need this video as evidence!!!!

Chin up everyone...WE CAN DO THIS!!!!!
cheers

by Human_nature Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:07 pm

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

by ilprincipe Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:09 pm

I repeat it : My hopes are of course not based on this vid...
I'm just ashamed that it allegedly comes from a german TV-Channel...
If it came from TMZ -they often try to fool us-
or some other US/British or any other country in the world ok....
But not from Germany....

@ ena: I read that it will be aired tomorrow between 18:00 -18:30 on RTL..
if you have missed it, you can watch it 1 day later ...on RTLnow...

@ kdkennedy: Yes...RTL is rag...and explosive is their main rag magazine...

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