Re: Michael JOE Jackson is NOT Michael JOSEPH Jackson at all?O.o

by jpresley Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:15 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
Rachel wrote:Ok so let me make sure I have this right, and sorry if I sound like a fool!

The 2001 will is a fake and was released to us to impy that there WAS a will and we wouldn't question the "death" but it is in fact a fake and therefore void, which would mean no crime had been commited if this was ever taken to court?

I hope that made sense!!!
Yup yup! The 2002 Will
P.S. I want to see Michael jump out in court too lol

Me too! In GOLD PANTS with nuthin underneath!! lol!

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:16 pm

Deb wrote:
Rachel wrote:@ Deb

I think the clues we are finding are slowly been leaked to us for a reason. Michael is a genius we have established that. I bet he is sitting back and watching how people are trying to figure this all out!

This way, he is ensuring his name stays in the news for a long period of time and also giving the people who believe hope

Rachel i said to Jordy earlier today about these new leads on the other forum always seem to be by new members, like they plant the seed the seed gets investigated and pow....he said this had already been talked about before i was on here....but its pretty obvious isnt it....he loved his fans and to give them a glimmer of hope that he was ok elsewhere, he knew thats all it would take, if hes happy the fans are happy...

It's true Deb - we have all these new 'leads' coming from new members who have never posted before and after they are investigated we find that what they say is true/useful.
It's all coming together now, slowly but surely it's all coming together.

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:18 pm

jpresley wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
Rachel wrote:Ok so let me make sure I have this right, and sorry if I sound like a fool!

The 2001 will is a fake and was released to us to impy that there WAS a will and we wouldn't question the "death" but it is in fact a fake and therefore void, which would mean no crime had been commited if this was ever taken to court?

I hope that made sense!!!
Yup yup! The 2002 Will
P.S. I want to see Michael jump out in court too lol

Me too! In GOLD PANTS with nuthin underneath!!

LOL you've finally made it to page 9 lol!

by Rach Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:18 pm

Ok I have a question.

If the 2001 will was a fake (which we all believe) then what was Michael's reason for the hoax?

The second child abuse case hadn't been brought to court yet and Michael had just become a father again.

I have heard many people speculate he wanted to get away from all of the hype surrounding the 2005 trial but the evidence of the fake Will suggests this was planned much earlier.

Why????????

by Guest Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:18 pm

Didnt this JCC person say something about MJJ, iv not looked at anything about JCC only what Jordy told me??

by jpresley Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:18 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
Rachel wrote:Maybe the will from 2001 is a fake?

It has to be - Michael updates his will every 5 years, which means there should be a real 2007 will around. The 2002 will was filed because it's old, out of date and has the wrong names and shouldn't stand up in court.

Michael is reported to have read through all contracts from when he was in his early 20s and he made sure his legal team including John Branca read through everything.
I don't see how he could put his firstborn son's name on there wrong. It's not been flagged because people automatically assume that his birth name is Prince when it isn't - Prince is his nickname.
Blanket's real birth name is Prince.

People just put it down to Michael's eccentricity - 'Oh it's Michael Jackson, he named both of his kids Prince etc etc'

Just curious, how do you know he updates his will every 5 years? I'd never heard that before.

by MJFOREVER Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:21 pm

If the will is fake then why did his mother go to court for some stuff what was in the will? Neutral

by ilprincipe Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:23 pm

jpresley wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
Rachel wrote:Maybe the will from 2001 is a fake?

It has to be - Michael updates his will every 5 years, which means there should be a real 2007 will around. The 2002 will was filed because it's old, out of date and has the wrong names and shouldn't stand up in court.

Michael is reported to have read through all contracts from when he was in his early 20s and he made sure his legal team including John Branca read through everything.
I don't see how he could put his firstborn son's name on there wrong. It's not been flagged because people automatically assume that his birth name is Prince when it isn't - Prince is his nickname.
Blanket's real birth name is Prince.

People just put it down to Michael's eccentricity - 'Oh it's Michael Jackson, he named both of his kids Prince etc etc'

Just curious, how do you know he updates his will every 5 years? I'd never heard that before.

I also read that stuff somewhere...here or on mjhd....
I read sooooooooooooo much, that I really forgot in which thread...
maybe referring to the will....or the "7 Theory"....

by silvy Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:23 pm

Hmmm i wonder who leaked those passports.
The passports are expired..
Could they be used in the childmolestationtrials?
Someone who keeps that files must keep them secured.

by Rach Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:23 pm

MJFOREVER wrote:If the will is fake then why did his mother go to court for some stuff what was in the will?

We have never seen any evidence of that! Notice how she or her laywers have not been pictured leaving the courthouse?!

by Guest Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:26 pm

Rachel wrote:Ok I have a question.

If the 2001 will was a fake (which we all believe) then what was Michael's reason for the hoax?

The second child abuse case hadn't been brought to court yet and Michael had just become a father again.

I have heard many people speculate he wanted to get away from all of the hype surrounding the 2005 trial but the evidence of the fake Will suggests this was planned much earlier.

Why????????

The will was 2002 only MJ will know the reason why he wanted to hoax his death, and i cant blame him after over 40yrs of having no privacy, it was a mass gathering and non stop flashbulbs in his face, he was isolated...no one has had celebrity like that, we think Britney gets it bad well its nothing compared to what he got....Maybe the birth of Blanket was the catalyst for a quiet life and to give his children a privacy he never had, as he mentioned in his Heal the Children speech in 2002, he also stated in that speech that he hoped his children didnt hold anything against him because he did his best!! This is only my opinion but i can see why he would want to escape...also if you listen to some of the songs on Invincible, il get Jordy to tell me which ones....there seems to be apt messages in them....everything seems to point of wheels in motion during these years....the court case made a mess of the plans though...I dont know.

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:27 pm

jpresley wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
Rachel wrote:Maybe the will from 2001 is a fake?

Just curious, how do you know he updates his will every 5 years? I'd never heard that before.

I've heard it here and on MJHD before the split, I'll see if I can find the thread, it may be the '7s' thread - Michael updated his will every 5 years to take into account the changes in his life. He had the 2002 will because Blanket was born in February. Some argue that there is no 2007 will because he had no further children but if he made a habit of re-writing a new will every 5 years it makes sense that he would stick to that habit regardless of more children being born or further changes.

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:28 pm

@Deb - Tabloid Junkie, Privacy and Xcape from the Invincible album.

by Guest Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:29 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:@Deb - Tabloid Junkie, Privacy and Xcape from the Invincible album.

Cheers mate, hahha...

by Rach Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:29 pm

@ Deb

I guess that makes sense. So what we are saying is that if the court case in 2005 hadn't gone ahead this would have happened a lot sooner then it has?

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:31 pm

@Deb - is Jordy your son?

by Guest Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:33 pm

Also the read the lyrics for Shout which me and jordy are addicted to in the car this didnt make it to invincible but its very apt we think

http://www.lyrics007.com/Michael%20Jackson%20Lyrics/Shout%20Lyrics.html

by jpresley Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:34 pm

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referring to this I really would be interested in the opinion of JEWELL from MJHD...
I didn't see current posts from her since the last days...[/quote]
I wouldn't - no offence - I don't agree with any of her posts because I've read her take on them on MJHD and she insists that the names make no difference to the documents themselves and that in America they are allowed to put the wrong names on documents like Wills and they'll still be valid.
Etc Etc etc. [/quote]

I really don't like the way Jewell comes across and I don't agree/believe any of what she says. She hints around that her job involves government work but that doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot IMO. I am an insurance broker for big companies and I read legal/insurance contracts for a living (well, not so much lately, lately I've just been reading what you guys are saying lol), but you don't see me bragging about this or that or coming across as I know everything because the simple fact is I DON'T, none of us do. It's when we put our collective talents, knowledge, skills, etc, that 'magic' happens. Or, at least I'd like to think so.

by Guest Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:34 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:@Deb - is Jordy your son?

He surely is, someone has to be responsible for him and thats me....lol

by Guest Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:35 pm

Rachel wrote:@ Deb

I guess that makes sense. So what we are saying is that if the court case in 2005 hadn't gone ahead this would have happened a lot sooner then it has?

I would say so....but who knows...its what i believe maybe 2005 was gonna be the year!!

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:36 pm

Deb wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:@Deb - is Jordy your son?

He surely is, someone has to be responsible for him and thats me....lol

Lol I got that when you said you were listening to 'Shout' in the car with him. Probably should have edited my last post to say something like *Never mind, figured it out lol*

by Rach Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:36 pm

jpresley wrote:I really don't like the way Jewell comes across and I don't agree/believe any of what she says. She hints around that her job involves government work but that doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot IMO. I am an insurance broker for big companies and I read legal/insurance contracts for a living (well, not so much lately, lately I've just been reading what you guys are saying lol), but you don't see me bragging about this or that or coming across as I know everything because the simple fact is I DON'T, none of us do. It's when we put our collective talents, knowledge, skills, etc, that 'magic' happens. Or, at least I'd like to think so.

Well said! I know everyone wants to be the person who makes a big breakthrough in this but I don't think that will be the case. We all contribute something to this and what one of us picks up on others won't.

by phoenix Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:38 pm

what really seems strange to me that i always- since i was a kid- hear that his second name was joseph

so i am really asking myself right now why we all were lead to believe that- i mean we thought that for years....

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:39 pm

Rachel wrote:
jpresley wrote:I really don't like the way Jewell comes across and I don't agree/believe any of what she says. She hints around that her job involves government work but that doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot IMO. I am an insurance broker for big companies and I read legal/insurance contracts for a living (well, not so much lately, lately I've just been reading what you guys are saying lol), but you don't see me bragging about this or that or coming across as I know everything because the simple fact is I DON'T, none of us do. It's when we put our collective talents, knowledge, skills, etc, that 'magic' happens. Or, at least I'd like to think so.

Well said! I know everyone wants to be the person who makes a big breakthrough in this but I don't think that will be the case. We all contribute something to this and what one of us picks up on others won't.

Amen to that guys - there is so much going on here that its impossible for one person to figure it all out single-handedly.
It's only by combining our respective knowledge, research and talents that we have been able to come to conclusions and as JP says - that is when the magic happens.

by Guest Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:40 pm

phoenix wrote:what really seems strange to me that i always- since i was a kid- hear that his second name was joseph

so i am really asking myself right now why we all were lead to believe that- i mean we thought that for years....

Because they have a professional name normally a spin on their real name here are examples

http://www.kidzworld.com/article/1622-celebs-real-names

by Rach Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:41 pm

I don't know if this is relevant but I was googling Michael's name the other day and two seperate Wikipedia pages were brought up but they contained the same info. I wish I would have checked to see if the middles names were the same but I didn't think.

The weird part is, I just checked again and now there is only one.

Oh and I'm with Pheonix, I always thought his middle name was Joseph.

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:41 pm

phoenix wrote:what really seems strange to me that i always- since i was a kid- hear that his second name was joseph

so i am really asking myself right now why we all were lead to believe that- i mean we thought that for years....

Or maybe we assumed it because his dad's name is Joseph - we never really thought that Michael's name would be any different to that and because Joseph's name was always shortened to Joe it didn't really stand out as odd.

by ballongiraf Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:41 pm

jpresley wrote:
I really don't like the way Jewell comes across and I don't agree/believe any of what she says. She hints around that her job involves government work but that doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot IMO. I am an insurance broker for big companies and I read legal/insurance contracts for a living (well, not so much lately, lately I've just been reading what you guys are saying lol), but you don't see me bragging about this or that or coming across as I know everything because the simple fact is I DON'T, none of us do. It's when we put our collective talents, knowledge, skills, etc, that 'magic' happens. Or, at least I'd like to think so.

so true

I dont really mind people having an opinion, and i also dont mind people being sceptical... but i DO mind when a person is on a quest to shove their opnions and beliefs down my throat, at all cost.

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:43 pm

Deb wrote:
phoenix wrote:what really seems strange to me that i always- since i was a kid- hear that his second name was joseph

so i am really asking myself right now why we all were lead to believe that- i mean we thought that for years....

Because they have a professional name normally a spin on their real name here are examples

[url=http://www.kidzworld.com/article/1622-celebs-real-names

http://www.kidzworld.com/article/1622-celebs-real-names[/quote[/url]]
*snicker*
Ginuwine

I can also understand why Ginuwine changed his name from Elgin Lumpkin.

by MJFOREVER Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:43 pm

Rachel wrote:
MJFOREVER wrote:If the will is fake then why did his mother go to court for some stuff what was in the will?

We have never seen any evidence of that! Notice how she or her laywers have not been pictured leaving the courthouse?!

hmmm true

and wasnt tmz the only one who reported it???correct me if im wrong please Razz

but i only saw that news and the live stream on tmz??or am i just blind Razz

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:45 pm

MJFOREVER wrote:
Rachel wrote:
MJFOREVER wrote:If the will is fake then why did his mother go to court for some stuff what was in the will?

We have never seen any evidence of that! Notice how she or her laywers have not been pictured leaving the courthouse?!

hmmm true and wasnt tmz the only one who reported it???correct me if im wrong please but i only saw that news and the live stream on tmz??or am i just blind

Yup TMZ reported it, and last time I checked TMZ also have the full 20 minute CEFC interview on their site as well as the live streams.

by Rach Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:45 pm

MJFOREVER wrote:

hmmm true and wasnt tmz the only one who reported it???correct me if im wrong please but i only saw that news and the live stream on tmz??or am i just blind

You're 100% right. No-one picked up on it Smile

by phoenix Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:46 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
phoenix wrote:what really seems strange to me that i always- since i was a kid- hear that his second name was joseph

so i am really asking myself right now why we all were lead to believe that- i mean we thought that for years....
Or maybe we assumed it because his dad's name is Joseph - we never really thought that Michael's name would be any different to that and because Joseph's name was always shortened to Joe it didn't really stand out as odd.

but the problem is that on TV lately his german biographer called him Joseph so thats why i never ever had the idea it could be not true, you know.....and i mean he was working with MJ on some book so wouldnt Mike say to hom something like "joseph is wrong"

okay he probably woudnt with the idea of the hoax in the background but its still strange to me LOL

by ~~Kristy~~ Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:47 pm

I'm not surprised TMZ got it first it seems like TMZ has to get it first for some reason Mad

by silvy Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:49 pm

"We all must unite, to turn darkness to light,

And the love in our hearts will shine."
Good/clear message!
( and yes we are torturing our minds over this....)

by jpresley Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:52 pm

Yay! I finally made it to page 10, but my raging headache is back. I haven't thought and analyzed anything this much in years! Michael is worth it though! flower

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:55 pm

jpresley wrote:Yay! I finally made it to page 10, but my raging headache is back. I haven't thought and analyzed anything this much in years! Michael is worth it though!

Bless, go and make yourself a nice hot cup of tea and sit back and relax, hope you feel better soon, xxx

by phoenix Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:55 pm

i think its so hard because you never know what is true and what is fake- that is why you can never be sure to be on the right path - sometimes i get the feeling to move in circles or like someone put all of us in the middle of labyrinth and we need to figure out the right way

by ballongiraf Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:56 pm

jpresley wrote:Yay! I finally made it to page 10, but my raging headache is back. I haven't thought and analyzed anything this much in years! Michael is worth it though!

awwwww.

and yes, he sure is

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:57 pm

phoenix wrote:i think its so hard because you never know what is true and what is fake- that is why you can never be sure to be on the right path - sometimes i get the feeling to move in circles or like someone put all of us in the middle of labyrinth and we need to figure out the right way

That is so true, sometimes it's like a maze and you don't know which way to turn to get out of it.
Sometimes I feel like, we've just solved something huge and then 'BAM!' something comes out which blows us away again and we have to start from square 0 to figure out that next bit.
It's worth it though, I haven't felt this invigorated and alive mentally and for such an extended period of time in forever.

by phoenix Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:59 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
phoenix wrote:i think its so hard because you never know what is true and what is fake- that is why you can never be sure to be on the right path - sometimes i get the feeling to move in circles or like someone put all of us in the middle of labyrinth and we need to figure out the right way
That is so true, sometimes it's like a maze and you don't know which way to turn to get out of it.
Sometimes I feel like, we've just solved something huge and then 'BAM!' something comes out which blows us away again and we have to start from square 0 to figure out that next bit.
It's worth it though, I haven't felt this invigorated and alive mentally and for such an extended period of time in forever.

i know, its so exiting :-)

by MJFOREVER Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:59 pm

~~Kristy~~ wrote:I'm not surprised TMZ got it first it seems like TMZ has to get it first for some reason

They got alomst everything first in michael case, thing hoax thing i mean with that lol!

by Rach Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:00 pm

@ APOM

I feel drained not alive!!!!!

by silvy Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:01 pm

This topic goes so fast.....Who posted those lyrics of shout?Beautifull!
I putted it on my twitter
"We all must unite, to turn darkness to light,

And the love in our hearts will shine."

by Guest Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:03 pm

But if it was so straight forward then there would be no point....but its definitely not pie in the sky, its all for a reason, and i think the reason is to let us know hes gone but not dead!!

I dont think we will ever really know, but it was interesting watching how the media latched onto that fake coroner van video, they never disputed it just commented on the posters comments....they never actually said ITS NOT HIM, because they didnt have proof to say otherwise....So maybe one day we might find out if the media start acting on the hoax evidence, im sure this will never go away though!!

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:04 pm

Rachel wrote:@ APOM

I feel drained not alive!!!!!

Lol - admit it Rach - you actually love this whole hoax investigation and you think it's kick-ass amazing and awe-inspiring.
Think about it, it'll be a great thing to tell the grandkids one day and you know it. You may never be a part of anything like this ever again in your life. I am relishing in it - although that may be because I've been in a kickass awesome happy mood for the past 3/4 weeks and it's not dissipating yet.
You've got more stress on your plate because you're Mod'ing too which means that you aren't always able to enjoy the investigation side of things. Hopefully that will change and your load will be lighter once you've appointed some help, xxx

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:04 pm

silvy wrote:This topic goes so fast.....Who posted those lyrics of shout?Beautifull!
I putted it on my twitter
"We all must unite, to turn darkness to light,

And the love in our hearts will shine."

Deb did.

by Guest Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:04 pm

silvy wrote:This topic goes so fast.....Who posted those lyrics of shout?Beautifull!
I putted it on my twitter
"We all must unite, to turn darkness to light,

And the love in our hearts will shine."

Thanks silvy i posted them, u need to hear the song if u havnt already, but it gives an insight in to where his mind was also the songs AnotherPartOfMe posted.

by Rach Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:06 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
Lol - admit it Rach - you actually love this whole hoax investigation and you think it's kick-ass amazing and awe-inspiring.
Think about it, it'll be a great thing to tell the grandkids one day and you know it. You may never be a part of anything like this ever again in your life. I am relishing in it - although that may be because I've been in a kickass awesome happy mood for the past 3/4 weeks and it's not dissipating yet.
You've got more stress on your plate because you're Mod'ing too which means that you aren't always able to enjoy the investigation side of things. Hopefully that will change and your load will be lighter once you've appointed some help, xxx

I know you're right and I feel so incredibly lucky to be able to say I was apart of this and Moderating for an amazing site such as this!

I don't think in my lifetime I will ever see something that has brought so many people together and inspired us to be better people and second guess what we are told by the media so for that I am eternally grateful Smile

by jade jackson Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:09 pm

Check Michael's signature on the birth certificate. That signature is different from the one on the other documents I have seen. His "other' signature is much more bold and dramatic. The peaks of the letters are much higher.

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